Obama '08?

engineer wrote:

I thought Obama's father left when he was three. Are you saying that Obama should be closely associated with a 40+ year old paper not written by him because of some sort of genetic association?

please don't shoot the messenger; just showing the latest (that i am aware; apprently not the latest as it is already being discussed in conservative forums) in the string of stories being brought against him.

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revel wrote:

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Greg Ransom, a blogger who unearthed the journal at UCLA's library, calls the article "the Rosebud" that provides the missing key to Obama's memoir. Ransom wrote about its contents recently in a posting with the provocative headline, "Obama Hid His Father's Socialist and Anti-Western Convictions From His Readers."

Thats nothing!

Here, look at the real scandal: "Obama thus far has equivocated on rappers. He has criticized their language, but adamantly refused to denounce the whole sordid genre" Exclamation

Courtesy of the wingbats at Human Events. Some choice bits:

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Obama's Other Jeremiah Wrights
by Evan Gahr
Posted: 04/14/2008

Jeremiah Wright is not the only supporter Barack Obama needs to explain.

Although the media has finally exposed Barack Obama's ties to the unhinged pastor his support from rappers who propagate equally pernicious nonsense has gone almost entirely unnoticed.

Rappers are gaga over Obama. [..] The rappers have good reason to praise Obama. He has at times been an apologist for their "music." His complicity with rappers dates back to at least 2006. [..]

Obama thus far has equivocated on rappers. He has criticized their language, but adamantly refused to denounce the whole sordid genre as the unique cultural problem that it is. [..]

It's high time the media ask some tough questions. Why has Obama collaborated with rappers? Is he familiar with their words? How could he not be? The senator's spokesperson said that when he and Ludacris met the two men found common ground on AIDS prevention. How do you find common ground on sexual behavior with someone who calls women "b------?"

Have any rappers donated to his campaign? Will he return the money? Why has he not renounced support from rappers?

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nimh wrote:

revel wrote:
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Greg Ransom, a blogger who unearthed the journal at UCLA's library, calls the article "the Rosebud" that provides the missing key to Obama's memoir. Ransom wrote about its contents recently in a posting with the provocative headline, "Obama Hid His Father's Socialist and Anti-Western Convictions From His Readers."

Thats nothing!

Here, look at the real scandal: "Obama thus far has equivocated on rappers. He has criticized their language, but adamantly refused to denounce the whole sordid genre" ......

Why would Obama denounce rappers, good grief? He will not denounce the frothing at the mouth lunatic, Wright, nor will he denounce the Marxist writings of his father, probably. Or his friend and colleague on the Woods Fund, terrorist William Ayers, or the ties of the Woods Fund to Rashid Khalidi, no, not on your life. But he has no problem whatsoever in denouncing his own country, not at all. His own country has after all been the cause of all this rampant bitterness all over the country.

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spin it baby! Laughing

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Okie, I suspect your are in for difficult times after Obama is elected by the citizens of the USA.

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dyslexia wrote:

Okie, I suspect your are in for difficult times after Obama is elected by the citizens of the USA.

I think it won't just be me, dys. But to assume Obama has it all wrapped up is a huge leap of faith on your part, dys. I think he has peaked and could be on the way down, I hope so. He has yet to even finish off the inept, bumbling Hillary Clinton, after all of this time.

Oh by the way, Obama has also denounced all the small towns all over this country, but he somehow cannot bring himself to denounce the lunatic, Wright. What a great nominee you all have going, dys!

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You poor thing. You have absolutely no idea how ridiculous you sound, do you?

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okie wrote:

Oh by the way, Obama has also denounced all the small towns all over this country...

[republican imagination spin machine]

Obama wrote:

I want to send a clear messege to all the small towns in America. I despise you all. I denouce yor way of, life, and believe me, when I get my way, I'll be pushing forward fiscal policies to put a funtime gay communist abortion clinic in each and every one of your middle schools. I will turn your churches into 24 hour same sex marriage drive-thrus and I will be giving tax cuts for individuals who get divorces. I hate your way of life! I denouce you!

All hail my true god Ala! GOD DAMN AMERICA!!!!!!

[/republican imagination spin machine]

Laughing

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I believe this gaffe will, in the long run, cost Obama a great deal in the coming campaign. It was truly insulting to those who were the subject of the remarks and has elements that may percolate for some time in the public mind, doing continuing damage to his image and attractiveness to the electorate.

This, of course, is merely a prediction. However, we shall see.....

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God help me, OB1 I am postin' politics...

While I agree that Obama takes the Heartland too lightly when he is playin' by the bay, I also believe that the rural midwest has seen enough of Bush's America. (we are in a bad way)

McCain offers nothing new...

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I agree this will be a decidedly uphill struggle for the Republicans, and that it is still too early to discount the Obama phenomenon. However, I believe this particular gaffe will hurt Obama far more than the Wright stuff or any of the other like events.

I also agree that John McCain doesn't offer much that is new. That, however, is not to say that he may not be - or appear to the majority to be - the lesser of evil alternatives.

This will be a very long campaign, and in the 6+ months remaining a lot can change. The 'Obamania' that so gripped the public attention just weeks ago appears to have peaked, and, though there is no collapse evident, there is a lot of time left for further steady erosion and disenchantment.

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What has been has little bearing on the fight to come.

Obama is a better challenger (IMO) and the real battle is just about to commence.

Submerging,

RH

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dyslexia wrote:

Okie, I suspect your are in for difficult times after Obama is elected by the citizens of the USA.

oh I thought it was going to be good times for all if the Dems were elected.......

you mean Obama really WON'T solve everybody's situation?

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georgeob1 wrote:

It was truly insulting to those who were the subject of the remarks

Says someone speaking with the expertise about the lives of blue-collar, small-town Pennsylvania folk that a former government and business executive naturally would have... :wink:

In the meantime, the polls are not showing Obama's remarks to have any effect at all, on balance. So it looks like the only offense taken is by elitist, richly paid professional media pundits and politicians, in their role-playing of how they imagine yer typical blue-collar heartland to feel. Maybe they should get out more.

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real life wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Okie, I suspect your are in for difficult times after Obama is elected by the citizens of the USA.

oh I thought it was going to be good times for all if the Dems were elected.......

you mean Obama really WON'T solve everybody's situation?

You're not keeping up real life, aren't you getting the memos?
Obama in his first 100 days will sign an executive order confiscating all firearms in north America; establish Urdu as the national language; establish the state religion as Transcendentalism; nationalize all fast food hamburger stands to sell only Miniature Poodle meat; double the gasoline tax and relocate all conservatives to Gitmo. It's really going to be difficult times.

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Ed Rendell -- Hillary's main guy in Pennsylvania -- is shrugging at "bitter":

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PHILADELPHIA -- About that supposedly major flap over Barack Obama's comments about "bitter" Pennsylvanians? Well, Hillary Clinton's top surrogate here, Governor Ed Rendell, just told reporters that it's not terribly significant - either in the primary, or the general election.

"I think it will cost a couple of points at the margin," Rendell said of the primary race here, "but it's not a sea change."

And Rendell said it would mean even less in the general election if Obama is the nominee. "By the time November rolls around, I think this comment will be long forgotten," he said.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/rendell_bitter.html

And this is a guy who has plenty to lose and nothing to gain from saying the above. Markedly at odds with Team Hillary's message (like that odious ad nimh posted in the Hillary thread, bleh).

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nimh wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
It was truly insulting to those who were the subject of the remarks

Says someone speaking with the expertise about the lives of blue-collar, small-town Pennsylvania folk that a former government and business executive naturally would have... :wink:

In the meantime, the polls are not showing Obama's remarks to have any effect at all, on balance. So it looks like the only offense taken is by elitist, richly paid professional media pundits and politicians, in their role-playing of how they imagine yer typical blue-collar heartland to feel. Maybe they should get out more.

Average americans ought to get down on their knees and thank George Will, Bill Kristol, Sean Hannity, Charles Krauthammer, Fred Barnes and georgeob...all with their fingers and lives so closely tuned to the simple folk of Pennsylvania. And each with their personal histories so rich in dedicated and selfless, shirtsleeves-rolled-up community outreach programs too. Precisely the fellows to interpret the spirit and daily lives and thoughts of troubled small town Americans. Nothing...nothing at all...elitist about these boys in their presumptions of how small town americans think or ought to think because of their (almost too close for comfort) connections to them average folks who, it is hoped, have better personal hygiene habits that in the old days.

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blatham, you illustrate perfectly the elitist liberal mindset.

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(Hi Rockhead, good to see you here.)

I missed this last page when I posted, didn't see nimh's posts about Hillary's handling of the situation perhaps backfiring, I just said something about that on the Polls thread.

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