Obama '08?

I think the explanation is worse than the first statement. I actually think Obama is the bitter man, as evidenced by a number of things. I personally don't know anyone that is bitter. The closest thing to it is getting mad that a presidential candidate can be this ignorant and out of touch. And if he actually thinks this stuff, he is a nut.

okie wrote:

I think the explanation is worse than the first statement. I actually think Obama is the bitter man, as evidenced by a number of things. I personally don't know anyone that is bitter. The closest thing to it is getting mad that a presidential candidate can be this ignorant and out of touch. And if he actually thinks this stuff, he is a nut.

If you actually believe what you just posted; you're an idiot.

Pointing out that bitter people are bitter is hardly qualification for nut-hood.

On the other hand: Anybody who thinks factually pointing out understandable bitterness means the speaker must be bitter, probably is a nut.

Talk about ignorant and out of touch?

Do you honestly think no one who lost their jobs as a result of the largely bi-partisan supported NAFTA became bitter? Do you really think none of these people turned to religion and other distractions from their misery? Get a grip man.

Now I happen to like NAFTA, though I'd like to see some added protections for foreign workers, both for their own sake and to help level the playing field for our own. That doesn't mean I don't recognize the obvious hardship that some Americans have endured since the agreement went into effect. Nor could I ever be dumb enough to believe some folks wouldn't be bitter over their losses... or that they've found other things to concentrate on. (Duh). Here, I'll take it a step further: some of these bitter folks who lost their livelihoods through no fault of their own have no doubt taken their misery out on their families by way of abuse. Some have turned to crime. And some have no doubt chosen to end their very lives...

Now I suppose some one will be along to suggest that I believe that's how all of these folks responded. And maybe some complete idiot will accuse me of accusing Pennsylvanians of being abusive suicidal criminals, for doing nothing more than pointing out some obvious truths.

If this is the best thing Obama's opponents can find to put in their spin machines; he's going to be just fine. Anybody want to bet?

People have guns because they are bitter? Preposterous. People are religious because they are bitter? Bizarre. People are against illegal immigration because they are bitter?

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

When did he call Pennsylvanians bigots?

eoe wrote:

When did he call Pennsylvanians bigots?

Obama stated: they cling to ....antipathy to people who aren't like them

What do you think he meant?

Way I see it, y'all are just angling for problems now, eagerly embracing any shred of evidence that Obama is really, however likable he seemed, a bad, bad man.

Again, this is what he said:

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"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

He did not say that the only reason people would be religious is cause they're bitter - hell, he's religious himself. He did not say that the only reason people have guns is cause they're bitter. Thats just plain not what he said.

It's like as if I would point at some girls I got to know and said, they sure had a hard life, no wonder they drink a fair bit; and Okie would tell me off because I'm suggesting that anybody who drinks a beer must have had a f*cked up life.

Way I see it, y'all are just angling for problems now, eagerly embracing any shred of evidence that Obama is really, however likable he seemed, a bad, bad man.

okie wrote:

People have guns because they are bitter? Preposterous. People are religious because they are bitter? Bizarre. People are against illegal immigration because they are bitter?

You realise that this is not what Obama said, right?

okie wrote:

People have guns because they are bitter? Preposterous. People are religious because they are bitter? Bizarre. People are against illegal immigration because they are bitter?

You realise that this is not what Obama said, right?

Another comment, O Bill has been one to make the illegal immigration issue into a racial issue rather than one of just the enforcement of immigration laws, and here again Obama is doing the same thing. I think they are both dead wrong. I find it repugnant that some people always have to make every issue one of race, and it really may serve to illustrate their own mindset more than what exists with the rest of us.

Sorry, nimh, I think you are defending the statements because you are a supporter. Read the sentences again. I think he insulted alot of people.

... they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Sorry, nimh, but that is an insult.