blatham
 
  1  
Thu 10 Apr, 2008 12:11 pm
fishin wrote:
blatham wrote:
fishin wrote:
Kitten with a Whip wrote:
Former Sec of State Powell said Obama handled the Wright situation very well and that Rev Wright has done some very admirable things.


He also said that there were WMDs in Iraq...


Didn't you as well? So where does that leave us? Other than with some tentative but compelling conclusions regarding the judgement of the both of yas.


Not quite. My beliefs were a whole lot more tenative than Powell's. I haven't been invited to addres the UN General Assembly yet either. (I'm sure the invite just got lost in the mail though! Wink )

An old discussion on the topic:
http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=39021#39021


OK then. The three of yas and me. What the hell are we doing listening to us?
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blatham
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 12:31 pm
Setanta wrote:
It just doesn't sink in with folks like you, does it? Obama is only "leftist" in comparison to far right Republicans. For that matter, i am not bothered by the idea of a "leftist" in the white house--unfortunately, no leftist with a snowball's hope in Hell is running in this election. The idea that Obama is a socialist would be laughable it it weren't such a pathetic comment on the obsessional fears of right-wingers in this country.


In the sixties, I had friends who took their cues on how to think and perceive the world from a limited cultural/media universe they swam in and they inerringly referred to police (any and all police) as 'pigs'. Through atheletics, car racing and family, I knew quite a few local Mounties thus had a good means to understand then how people (some of those friends of mine) can make themselves happily stupid (and perhaps gain a sense of importance by being a member of some distinct group) through relying on such simplicities and cliches rather than face up to complexities. What okie's doing isn't different in any important way.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 12:38 pm
Both Clinton and especially Obama are way too far to the right for me. Anyone who would call either one extreme left is existing in some parallell universe where the positions of the BORs, Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world are considered to "Fair and Balanced."

Obama slipped to an 8 point lead over Hillary in the Gallup Daily.

I hate this poll but I think it is important that he keeps a lead to expose what utter horse **** desperation the Clinton's claim of unelectability is.
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sozobe
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 12:46 pm
Well, but that isn't really the crux of the electability issue -- it's who will have the better chance of winning in a GENERAL election.

And Hillary gained there for a while, then Obama did better than Hillary but both lost to McCain, and just today Obama is beating McCain again (if barely). According to Rasmussen's daily tracking, the latest is:

McCain 48%, Clinton 42%

vs.

Obama 46%, McCain 45%

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history

And was just reading (can find it back) that once the Dem nominee is decided there will be a big bounce, like a 10-pt bounce.
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blatham
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 12:48 pm
Some taste of sanity on Fox, via Luntz no less. Notice how Hannity has, as always, no taste for anything but partisan smear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIy_Mop2lA&eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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Roxxxanne
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 12:55 pm
sozobe wrote:
Well, but that isn't really the crux of the electability issue -- it's who will have the better chance of winning in a GENERAL election.

And Hillary gained there for a while, then Obama did better than Hillary but both lost to McCain, and just today Obama is beating McCain again (if barely). According to Rasmussen's daily tracking, the latest is:

McCain 48%, Clinton 42%

vs.

Obama 46%, McCain 45%

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history

And was just reading (can find it back) that once the Dem nominee is decided there will be a big bounce, like a 10-pt bounce.


I was talking about the general election, of course. Polls pitting McCain vs Obama and Clinton are TOTALLY meaningless at this point as it is a hypothetical matchup. The daily tracking poll is suspect as well but it is laughable for a candidate who trails in a poll by double digits to claim the other guy can't win the general.

Anyway, anyone else but a Clinton would have been drummed out of this race months ago.

Obama is going to have McCain for lunch. It's almost not fair.

10 points, at least.
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blatham
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 12:56 pm
Quote:
April 10, 2008
Polls: Clinton's lead down to 4 points in Pennsylvania
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/10/polls-clintons-lead-down-to-4-points-in-pennsylvania/
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okie
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 01:07 pm
blatham wrote:
Some taste of sanity on Fox, via Luntz no less. Notice how Hannity has, as always, no taste for anything but partisan smear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIy_Mop2lA&eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

What did Hannity say that was inaccurate?

By the way, Wright can smear the entire country, but that doesn't matter? Count me one that is fed up with Obama and his friends. I agree with Hannity 100%.
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blatham
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 01:46 pm
Quote:
I agree with Hannity 100%.


Of course you do.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 02:39 pm
blatham wrote:
Quote:
I agree with Hannity 100%.


Of course you do.


Typical. I don't ever agree with anyone 100%. That is one characteristic that separates a lot of progressives from right-wingers.
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ossobuco
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 02:59 pm
Thanks to Fishin' I just spent an hour(+) rereading that old thread. A good thread it was.

I was against both Gulf I and Gulf II, and think I said so somewhere on the board, but, as most of you know I'm not a good arguer - more of an opinion stater once in a while, though I do follow a high percentage of the politics forum threads working out the ins and outs of what I think at any given time. Let's just say that my worst projections to myself came true.
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 03:02 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
blatham wrote:
Quote:
I agree with Hannity 100%.


Of course you do.


Typical. I don't ever agree with anyone 100%. That is one characteristic that separates a lot of progressives from right-wingers.


You've never agreed with somebody 100% on any issue ever? Nobody was agreeing with Hannity 100% on every issue. They were just 100% in agreement with him on a specific issue. I would think being 100% out of step with everybody on 100% of the issues 100% of the time would be rather tiring or taxing or whatever. You would never be able to type 'good post' to anybody.
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okie
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 04:00 pm
blatham wrote:
Quote:
I agree with Hannity 100%.


Of course you do.

On that issue, yes, and you still haven't pointed out anything that was said in your link that Hannity said that was wrong. I doubt you will because you can't.

If you want to talk about smears, blatham, talk about what Wright has been doing for years. Thats Obamas friend, mentor, and spiritual advisor for 20 years or so.
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okie
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 04:04 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
blatham wrote:
Quote:
I agree with Hannity 100%.


Of course you do.


Typical. I don't ever agree with anyone 100%. That is one characteristic that separates a lot of progressives from right-wingers.

On the link provided by blatham, roxi. Can you read?
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blatham
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 04:11 pm
ossobuco wrote:
Thanks to Fishin' I just spent an hour(+) rereading that old thread. A good thread it was.

I was against both Gulf I and Gulf II, and think I said so somewhere on the board, but, as most of you know I'm not a good arguer - more of an opinion stater once in a while, though I do follow a high percentage of the politics forum threads working out the ins and outs of what I think at any given time. Let's just say that my worst projections to myself came true.


Fun to go back now and again, isn't it. Reminded how much I miss Timber, and how smart craven is, and what a total dick Tantor was. We were rather more patient back then and more hopeful. These last 7 years have been so incredibly destructive to political discourse, to transparency, to civility at home and abroad, and to american democracy and values that one considers going out the garage to whip up a time machine, enabling assassination of some of the principals in this horrid period.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 04:29 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
blatham wrote:
Quote:
I agree with Hannity 100%.


Of course you do.


Typical. I don't ever agree with anyone 100%. That is one characteristic that separates a lot of progressives from right-wingers.


You've never agreed with somebody 100% on any issue ever? Nobody was agreeing with Hannity 100% on every issue. They were just 100% in agreement with him on a specific issue. I would think being 100% out of step with everybody on 100% of the issues 100% of the time would be rather tiring or taxing or whatever. You would never be able to type 'good post' to anybody.


See, you can't even grasp the concept because you don't understand nuance. How anyone can watch that video and say "I agree with Hannity 100%" is to me incomprehensible. But you guys don't have the same ability to see all the nuances and grey areas inherent in how anyonefeels about anything. The way I see things is only relative to my own perceptions.

No one can possibly see things the way I see them and no one can communicate ideas about how they perceive things to convey to me enough information that I could ever be confident in agreeing with them 100%. When someone says they agree with someone 100% it reveals that they lack critical thinking skills.
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 05:09 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
blatham wrote:
Quote:
I agree with Hannity 100%.


Of course you do.


Typical. I don't ever agree with anyone 100%. That is one characteristic that separates a lot of progressives from right-wingers.


You've never agreed with somebody 100% on any issue ever? Nobody was agreeing with Hannity 100% on every issue. They were just 100% in agreement with him on a specific issue. I would think being 100% out of step with everybody on 100% of the issues 100% of the time would be rather tiring or taxing or whatever. You would never be able to type 'good post' to anybody.


See, you can't even grasp the concept because you don't understand nuance. How anyone can watch that video and say "I agree with Hannity 100%" is to me incomprehensible. But you guys don't have the same ability to see all the nuances and grey areas inherent in how anyonefeels about anything. The way I see things is only relative to my own perceptions.

No one can possibly see things the way I see them and no one can communicate ideas about how they perceive things to convey to me enough information that I could ever be confident in agreeing with them 100%. When someone says they agree with someone 100% it reveals that they lack critical thinking skills.


Okay I stand corrected. I confess that at times I will see something as another person sees it. It is generally a pleasant experience. I accept your testimony that this has never happened to you though.
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H2O MAN
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 05:20 pm
Hey XXX, is it true Obama is going to tap Katie Couric for the V.P. slot ??
She is going to need a job soon and they would make a cute salt & pepper set.

http://woshrug.free.fr/img/hugshakers.jpg


Who knows, maybe he'll just tap her a few times and send her home ... :wink:
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Kitten with a Whip
 
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Thu 10 Apr, 2008 05:32 pm
Speaking of Katie Couric, I think she is going to take over for Larry King.

McCain flip-flopped on the mortgage issue today.
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okie
 
  1  
Thu 10 Apr, 2008 09:00 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:

See, you can't even grasp the concept because you don't understand nuance. How anyone can watch that video and say "I agree with Hannity 100%" is to me incomprehensible. But you guys don't have the same ability to see all the nuances and grey areas inherent in how anyonefeels about anything. The way I see things is only relative to my own perceptions.

No one can possibly see things the way I see them and no one can communicate ideas about how they perceive things to convey to me enough information that I could ever be confident in agreeing with them 100%. When someone says they agree with someone 100% it reveals that they lack critical thinking skills.

I would agree with you that no one can possibly see things the way you see them, Roxi.

I went back again and watched blatham's linked video of Hannity and Colmes and Luntz. I confess, everything Hannity said, I essentially agreed with. I may have said the same thing slightly different if I had said it, but essentially I agree 100% with Hannity in his questions and analysis. Actually, most of what he said was in the form of a question, all appropriate. And most of his questions were not answered with a straight answer, but instead justifications and alibis.

I am still waiting for blatham to explain how Hannity was wrong or smeared anyone. And I don't expect one because there is none. Not a valid one.
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