Obama '08?

He didn't say he has more foreign policy experience, though.

Responding to the assertion by the Clinton campaign that Obama has not held any substantive hearings on Afghanistan while he was chairman of the European Affairs subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Craig turned it around on Clinton, saying that she had missed many important hearings on Afghanistan as well.

Reporters asked Craig for more details about what Obama had accomplished while chairing the subcommittee.

"He did hold hearings on nominees that were being put forth to ambassadors, those nominees were approved," Craig said. He added that most Afghanistan-related hearings were done in full committee, rather than in Obama's subcommittee.

When pushed more, Craig relented: "The record is what it is. He didn't become chairman of that subcommittee until January of 2007. The fact is that he made his announcement for president of the U.S. in February of 2007. So, he had other things on his mind."

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Cyclop writes

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Well, it isn't a tax increase.

If I pay in 2009 or 2010 a whole lot more taxes on the same amount of money than I am paying in 2008, I call that a tax increase. I don't care what anybody else wants to call it.

But, you understand that it won't be Hillary or Obama who made that happen. At all. The laws lowering the taxes were written that way by Republicans in Congress, and the bill was signed by Bush in the WH.

It's not as if there will be any legislation passed - there won't be. So it's fallacious to say that it's an increase; it's just returning to the normal state that it was at before Bush signed a LIMITED TIME tax break.

Okie,

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Eliminating previous reductions of tax rates is not a tax increase.

But, nobody is eliminating anything. The reductions were always a limited-time offer. You understand this, right?

Cycloptichorn

Wordplay.

The practical effect is that people will pay more taxes than they did before.

It won't be the "fault" of a President Obama or a President Clinton unless congress sends to one of them a bill which extends or makes permanent the cuts and they veto it.

It will be the "fault" of congress if they do not send such a bill to whomever is president.

The temporary nature of the tax cuts was a political compromise made to assure passage, and not the intent of the bill's sponsors or President Bush. You will recall that he began calling for them to made permanent almost immediately after he signed the bill into law.

sozobe wrote:

He didn't say he has more foreign policy experience, though.

Sozobe is right. His claim is that he knows more and understands the world better. This claim, in my honest if possibly mistaken opinion, is supported by the positions he has taken about the war in Iraq (he opposed it), Bush's saber-rattling towards Iran, (ditto), and his readiness to talk to any country in the world without preconditions (which is standard diplomatic practice almost everywhere in the world -- except in Washington during campaign season).

Does that mean I am better suited to run the country and to make the foreign policy decisions then he is?

maporsche wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/07/politics/horserace/entry3998240.shtml

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April 7, 2008, 11:05 AM
Ex-Clinton Staffer Launches Unity Ticket Petition
Posted by Vaughn Ververs|

A former aide to Hillary Clinton's initial campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle has launched a drive to gather signatures calling for a Democratic ticket featuring both Clinton and Barack Obama, reports CBS News chief political consultant Marc Ambinder. The online petition, called "Vote Both," carries a simple message: "We the undersigned call upon the members of the Democratic National Committee to support a unity ticket with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama."

The creator of the petition is Adam Parkhomenko, a longtime aide to Doyle before she left the campaign earlier this year. Parkhomenko left the Clinton campaign three weeks ago. Read Ambinder's full report here.

Be sure to read the Ambinder story linked in the above article. It has a different twist to the "unity" message.

A unity ticket would be the only thing that would get me to vote Obama.

I wonder if there are many more who think the same way I do?

I guess this year anything can happen, but I would be mighty surprised if a so-called "unity ticket" materialized --- unless of course Hillary is willing to accept the VP spot and still has that Bulgarian assassin who took care of that little problem with Vince Foster on a retainer.

The crazy uncles in Obama's attic
Will the black nationalists and white lefties who pushed Obama up the political ladder in Chicago prove to be a liability to his White House run?

By Edward McClelland


..................................................Obama began teaching constitutional law at U. of C. in 1993. When he decided to run for state Senate, in 1995, his district encompassed Hyde Park, as well as the weary black neighborhoods to the west, with threadbare street corners that might hold a liquor store, or a chicken shack. (It did not include Trinity United.) One of his first campaign events was at the home of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers and Dohrn were the '60s most glamorous radical couple: the Bonnie and Clyde of the Weather Underground, they spent 11 years underground after an accidental bombing that destroyed a Greenwich Village townhouse, killing three of their comrades. Ayers came from an upper-class background -- his father was CEO of Commonwealth Edison -- so when he came in from the cold, he didn't do prison time, the way some biker toolbox bomber would have. Instead, he became a professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago, and a fixture in Hyde Park liberal circles. The outgoing state senator, Alice Palmer, introduced Obama to local activists at the home of Ayers and Dohrn. Obama later served with Ayers on the board of the Woods Fund, which supports projects in poor Chicago communities. Ayers is also a member of Public Square, which organizes events that combine arts with social justice.

"Bill and Bernardine are respected members of the community," says a friend of the couple. "He's extremely involved in education policy nationally."

Another acquaintance, though, calls him a "narcissist," because he promoted his memoir "Fugitive Days" by saying, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers posed for Chicago magazine with an American flag wadded at his feet..............................................

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
By DINITIA SMITH

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

''Is this, then, the truth?,'' he writes. ''Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.''

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

''Obviously, the point is it's a reflection on memory,'' he answered. ''It's true as I remember it.''

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.''

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.'s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ''whirlpool of violence.''

''Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,'' he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ''Even though I didn't actually bomb the Pentagon -- we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.''........................

Obama supporters proclaim
That Clinton must quit, hurling blame,
Shrieking "Stop this damn fray!"
Dems love fighters, they say.
But not if the fighter's a dame.

Dems love fighters, they say.
But not if the fighter's a dame.

teenyboone wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

teenyboone wrote:

You Repugs, whose designated candidate, MCCain, a "born" racist, ...

Ah, that's right. He's a white man, so he was born racist.

Gotcha.

Read whatever you wish! You do, anyway, Mr. one-way street, thinker! Thanks for reading MY mind!

I have finally figured out what teeny's problem is.
She just cant stand to have conservatives on here.
She doesnt think that conservatives actually belong on this site...

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We tend to be left of center, some far left, some moderate, all with differing points of view. If you're conservative, this is NOT the forum for you

Those are her own words, and she cant stand the fact that there are conservatives on A2K.

Obama stuck his foot in his mouth last night.

According to the Huffpost, at a fundraiser in San Francisco, he claimed

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Ironically, this is an area--foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."

How is this possible?
He has NEVER had a single meeting of the subcommittee he chairs, yet now he wants to claim he knows more about foreign affairs?
He is gonna catch hell from Hillary for that statement, and in this case it is deserved.

The whole story is here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-says-no-to-foreign_b_95357.html

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Dems love fighters, they say.
But not if the fighter's a dame.

Yeah, thats it. The reason why a lot of Dems dont like to see how Hillary is fighting on another day is not that, say, the math leaves her hardly any chance of winning anymore and she is effectively just attacking and harming the party's general elections nominee. It's not, say, that she was a war hawk who got the most important decision in her life wrong - and didnt even read the NIE intelligence document before doing so. It's not any of the unending shenanigans her campaign has been up to, or her transparent petty lies.

No -- it's because she's "a dame". That's it; that's the real or only reason they want her out. It's because they dont like a woman who fights.

Do you really even believe that, BBB?

Obama supporters proclaim
That Clinton must quit, hurling blame,
Shrieking "Stop this damn fray!"
Dems love fighters, they say.
But not if the fighter's a dame.

Are you off of your meds again?

I have read the book,several times.
It is a good book, I dont deny that, and it raises several good points.
For you to assume that I havent read it wrong.

As for me not knowing what a "real conservative" is, I know what my political philosophy is.
If you are asking me if I think the current admin is conservative, the answer is NO I dont.
If you are asking me to define what a true conservative is, I would be happy to give you my definition.
Of course, it would be different from yours, and yours would be different then someone elses.

I will be the first to admit that on some issues, I am slightly to the right of Attila the Hun, but on other issues I am slightly left of Ted Kennedy.
So, maybe I dont fit your ideas of what a conservative is, but thats ok, I'm not here to fit your mold.

BTW, why are you getting so upset when I used your own words?

And as for the fact that your best friends are conservatives, what does that have to do with anything?
Is that like saying "some of my best friends are ???"

And where in my post did I ever mention color or race haveing anything to do with being a conservative?
You added that part on your own.

Who are the Majority in this country? Whites, right? Whatever benefits whites, should benefit ALL native Americans, do you agree, or is this a "for whites only" country?

Who are the Majority in this country? Whites, right? Whatever benefits whites, should benefit ALL native Americans, do you agree, or is this a "for whites only" country?

As soon as another race gets a benefit, whites start screaming unfair, while they're getting it all along! Does not my taxes match yours, if we are making the same wages? Shouldn't I pay my fair share and if so, shouldn't I reap the benefit also, if I NEED it? :wink: