Re: Obama '08?
sozobe wrote:Didn't want to derail nimh's thread about Republicans. This can become the equivalent about Democrats, but my initial question is: Would Obama work, after all?
I have personally loved him but have been hesitant to back the idea of a presidential bid in 2008 for three main reasons, and also the ways they interact:
- Race
- Admitted drug use
- Inexperience
I'm wondering if they may not be as crippling as I had thought, though.
Race: If Hillary is really the presumed nominee, race could be in his favor in getting the nomination. Part of what is exciting about Hillary is that she could actually maybe (
I don't think so, but in theory) be the first woman president. It's much more exciting to make the nominee another inspirational groundbreaker rather than defaulting to yet another old white guy.
Admitted drug use: While this is bad, it's the kind of thing that just possibly could play up a couple of Republican weaknesses. One is that he's already taken full responsibility. Sure, he tried it, he didn't like it, let's move on. I think that kind of full disclosure and accepting responsibility might be seen as refreshing by the electorate. Another is that it's the kind of thing that if the Republicans pounce on, it might just make THEM look bad. "Oh, sure, smear the black candidate with the drug allegations, dirty politics again." I think people are really sick of that crap.
Inexperience: This is the one that has changed the most since Obama first came up. I, personally, like to have a leader with a lot of experience. But things I've read here and that I've seen in general seem to be indicating that the zeitgeist is more towards "FRESH START." Get rid of the lying liars, the politicos, the fat cats. Get a breath of fresh air in there, someone with integrity and enthusiasm. Obama has that, in spades.
Things I've always liked about him:
Public speaking skills: This guy is GOOD.
Bipartisan appeal: He did amazing work in connecting to Republicans in Illinois, and has gotten a good reaction among many Republicans I know.
Savvy: He's made a lot of good decisions, politically.
Charisma: He's got it.
Idealism: This goes back to what I said re: inexperienced -- I think it's something that people really like to see, and can be especially good when paired with young.
Humor: Slightly different than charisma, and what made me start this thread. Read Maureen Dowd's column about his performance at a press dinner on Saturday (?), and it sounds like he did an amazing job.
Quote:In the capital's version of "Dancing with the Stars," Senator Obama won, turning in a smoothy, funny performance that lifted him from his tyro track.
He tweaked fellow Democrats, telling the white-tie crowd: "Men in tails. Women in gowns. An orchestra playing, as folks reminisce about the good old days. Kind of like dinner at the Kerry's."
He mocked the president's unauthorized snooping, saying he'd "asked my staff to conduct all phone conversations in the Kenyan dialect of Luo." He advised W. to "spy on the Weather Channel, and find out when the big storms are coming."
After saying that he'd ejoyed the Olympic baithlon of shooting and skiing, he, deadpan, turned to Dick Cheney: "Probably not your sport, Mr. President."
She points out that Obama is 44, and that JFK, "who had a reputation as a callow playboy and lawmaker who barely knew his way around the Hill, was 43 when he became president."
What I know for sure is that when I think of all of the possible Democratic nominees, my reaction ranges from "could be OK" to "OH LORD PLEASE NO!!!", with one exception. Obama is the only one who makes me think, "Oh man, that would be SO great!!"
What do you think?
Szobe,
This is what started this thread, initially. One Correction, Obama is 46, the same age as my son and while he may NOT have the "experience", tried drugs, as a youth, just as Clinton smoked pot, bush did alcohol AND hard drugs, like "coke", I don't see anyone pointing out his , (Bush's), mediocre brain, how he had everything handed to him, Supreme Court, essentially GIVING Bush, the election over the popular vote, Hillary's originally being from a Republican family, that supported Goldwater and anti-black, anti-everything that is supposed be American, "free and equal", yet, she has an attitude, that SHE is "entitled", so "get outta my way, already, YOU", to Obama. Then, you have your anti-Black already pundits, joining in here, trashing Rev. Wright, when their home training is to be "white supremists", carefully taught by their parents, etc.
Here we are, 40 odd years, since the first civil rights legislation has been passed and even though EVERY effort, has been to thwart any progress for minorities, through mismanaged and wasted funds, that never reached the people it was designated for, more segregation in schools than imagined for inner city youth, housing that passes for low income, but unlivable and those it never reached and whites, who already think we've received MORE than our "fair" share. A federal government that watched a historic city, DROWN, in 2005, gave its' Black and White citizens, one-way tickets out of town and makes no effort to reunite American Citizens, with their ancestral home state, because the bottom line is to turn New Orleans into a "Disneyfied" area, says RACISM, in ALL of its' UGLY forms is ALIVE and KICKING.
You Repugs, whose designated candidate, MCCain, a "born" racist, that sold out other POW's, wants an America to revert back to the "bad old days" of separate and unequal. I was NOT moved at seeing him in Memphis, when he was one of the main deterrents, to making the King Holiday, a reality. All you racists, posting against an accomplished Black, taking part, as is his right to do so, will get what you wish for, is all I can say! FLAME away, as usual, but you can KISS me where the SUN, don't shine!
