Diest TKO
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:11 pm
So a typical democrat policy is no different than a typical republican policy. Then we can just say a "typical political policy" or even just a "typical policy."

That would mean that Obama's ideas are not just unique to the left, but also to the right.

Much better MM.

Thank you
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:14 pm
Here's an article that may help with explaining what Obama is talking about when he says that:


Obama's Sweeping Foreign Policy Critique
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mysteryman
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:15 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
So a typical democrat policy is no different than a typical republican policy. Then we can just say a "typical political policy" or even just a "typical policy."

In many cases, the two parties policies are polar opposites of each other.
For example...
The repubs cut taxes, the dems raise them.
The dems want to cut or weaken the military, the repubs want to strengthen it.
The dems want more money spent on schools, the repubs want less.
The dems say that govt should do more, the repubs USUALLY say that govt should do less.

The list goes on.


That would mean that Obama's ideas are not just unique to the left, but also to the right.

No, it means that Obama is unique to either party.
He is willing to admit when the repubs have been correct about something, and is willing to use the repubs ideas/policies as starting points for his own.


Much better MM.

Thank you
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realjohnboy
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:18 pm
(As an absolutely total diversion, where are you graduating from, TKO, and what will your degree be in? Thank you.)
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Ramafuchs
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:19 pm
A blind man
in a dark room
is
searching a
black cat
which is not there
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Diest TKO
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:27 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
(As an absolutely total diversion, where are you graduating from, TKO, and what will your degree be in? Thank you.)


Missouri University of Science & Technology
(formally Missouri School of Mines, until 1960s)
(formally University of Missouri - Rolla, until 2008)

B.S. in Aerospace Engineering (Emphasis in Aeronautics), Minor in Russian.

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realjohnboy
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:31 pm
I was afraid you might say "art history."

Do you dream of going into space, someday?
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Diest TKO
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:35 pm
realjohnboy wrote:
Do you dream, TKO, of making it into space someday?


Yes/No.

Yes, that is my industry. I would like too. I've had two teachers who were astronauts. It's seems really interesting. I see you are in VA. My job is in Springfield VA.

No. After my first class in astro mechanics / spaceflight dynamics I used to have nighmares about doing a manuver wrong and being lost in space... forever.

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K
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 04:44 pm
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 05:09 pm
MM,

In case you haven't seen it before, here's the text of Obama's speech in August 2007 about his foreign affairs polcies:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86401/barack-obama/renewing-american-leadership.html?mode=print
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mysteryman
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 05:44 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
MM,

In case you haven't seen it before, here's the text of Obama's speech in August 2007 about his foreign affairs polcies:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070701faessay86401/barack-obama/renewing-american-leadership.html?mode=print


Thank you.
I had not seen that before now.
It is an interesting speech, but let me finish reading it before I comment further.
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blueflame1
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 05:53 pm
ho, then there's this, "Hillary's Pastor Problem"
By Mark D. Tooley
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, March 28, 2008

The pastor of the Methodist church that Bill and Hillary Clinton attended during his presidency is now defending Obama's retiring pastor Jeremiah Wright. This intervention will perhaps serve to remind that the Clinton's own church was once a source of national controversy.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," proclaimed the Rev. Dean Snyder in a statement he posted on the website of his Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington, D.C. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia which still tarnish the American dream."
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 05:55 pm
http://nationaljournal.com/onair/transcripts/080328_mckinnon_mark.htm

Q&A: MARK MCKINNON
Transcript: Mark McKinnon On Why He'll Leave The McCain Campaign If Obama Is The Democratic Nominee

Q: I want to introduce Mark McKinnon. He is the chief media strategist for John McCain. Welcome, Mark.
McKinnon: Thanks very much. Glad to join you.

Excerpt:

Q: So you've said that you will leave the McCain campaign if Obama is the nominee. Does that still hold and why?

McKinnon: Yeah. Well, this goes back to a memo that I wrote to the campaign when I came aboard more than a year and a half ago, and I simply let them know that I had spent time with Obama and read his book and I like the guy. I think he has strong character and a fascinating life story, and I disagree with him fundamentally on issues like Iraq and trade and a number of others. But I just flashed forward to the improbable scenario, at that time seemingly improbable, that John McCain and Barack Obama might face off against one other. And I just told them at the time that I thought that I would be uncomfortable being on the front lines -- being as aggressive as you need to be in a presidential campaign -- and not only that I would be uncomfortable, but that it would be bad for the campaign, and that if that circumstance were to come to be, that I would just take a step to the sidelines and continue to support John McCain 100 percent and be No. 1 fan and cheerleader. But just kind of take myself out of the front lines.

Q: So you are still going to do that?

McKinnon: I'm a man of my word.

Q: And it's because, what, you don't want to run negative ads against Obama?

McKinnon: Yeah.

Q: Or is there also a concern on your part that you don't want to run ads against Obama, the first African-American candidate to have this kind of a chance? Is that a factor as well?

McKinnon: I suppose that is in part, but it's more just that I like and admire the guy. I've come to a point in my life where I think character is important. I think he has great character. Again, I think he's really wrong on fundamental issues, but yeah, I just don't want to -- you know, I kind of want to put my guns down. It's just a matter of degrees, and like I said, I don't think I'm the best person to have in that slot for the campaign. So it would just be better for me to step to the sidelines.
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Diest TKO
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 05:58 pm
Facinating.

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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 06:56 pm
Updated: With 31.26% reporting, Barack is still holding strong at 55% to 45%.

The Texas County Conventions are underway right now, and results from some of the smaller conventions are beginning to trickle in. In all, over 88,000 delegates will meet today to cast their votes, and full results may not be available for some time.

The Texas blog Burnt Orange Report is providing ongoing coverage of today's conventions.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:20 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8742403

Quote:



The convention is being streamed at:

www.cadem.org/convention
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:20 pm
McCain Moment---Ariana Huffington


If our polarized country can agree on one thing, it's that the greatest danger facing America over the next decade will not be Islamic extremism and instability in the Middle East, but rather Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. That's just "common knowledge," right?

So it only makes sense that the media have focused non-stop on this looming threat while paying scant attention to the fact that the presumptive Republican nominee for president apparently doesn't have a clue about what's going on in the Middle East.

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And with the U.S. death toll hitting 4,000 (with 25 American soldiers killed over the last two weeks, the deadliest fortnight for our troops since September 2007), and with another 57 people killed in Iraq yesterday, John McCain's tenuous grasp on what is happening in the region becomes all the more worthy of attention.

For those who were too busy watching Rev. Jeremiah Wright damn America for the 10,000th time to hear about McCain, let's review: at a stop in Jordan last week, McCain made the ludicrous claim that Al Qaeda insurgents were being trained in Iran*. Asked again about it, he dug in deeper, claiming it was "common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that's well known."

A few moments later, McCain's chief lady in waiting, Joe Lieberman, leaned forward and whispered in his ear. McCain promptly offered a quick rewrite: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda."

Now, it's been widely reported that, heading into the Iraq war, George Bush had no clue about the differences between Sunni and Shia. But that was 2003, and it was George Bush. This is five years later and we're talking about John McCain. But it turns out this acclaimed foreign policy expert doesn't know the difference between Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda in Iraq, Sunni insurgents, Iran and Syria. Or, perhaps more charitably, he's doesn't care to know.

Yes, John McCain is a war hero, and yes, we're all grateful for his service during the Vietnam war. But as McCain's embarrassing foreign fact-finding fiascos make clear: having acted heroically in a foreign war does not magically translate into foreign policy expertise and judgment.

Yet every time McCain packs a suitcase, the press automatically anoints him as "presidential." They dutifully did it on this latest trip, even though it came just under a year after McCain's clownish stroll through a Baghdad market, which he declared proof that one could "walk freely" around Baghdad -- while being guarded by three Blackhawk helicopters, two Apache gunships, and 100 armed soldiers.

The fact that the presumptive Republican nominee doesn't grasp the general outlines in Iraq would seem to be a big story. But not to the mainstream media. As soon as they heard that the Straight Talk Express had run off the road, they sprang into action to get the wreckage out of view. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

To the Washington Post, it was just a "gaffe." CNN let stand the McCain campaign's assertion that he had just "misspoke." Brit Hume, senior member of the McCain Support Team, brushed it off as "blip," and a "senior moment." (Of course, Hume had a very different take on "senior moments" when it came to Jack Murtha.)

Not content with excuses, one of McCain's foreign policy advisors, Max Boot, decided to tout the "misstatement": "What gaffe?" Boot asked, going on to claim, "there is copious evidence of Iran supplying and otherwise assisting Al Qaeda in Iraq and other Sunni terrorist groups (including Al Qaeda central). The 9/11 Commission itself noted a number of links between Iran and Al Qaeda." And McCain senior foreign policy advisor Randy Scheunemann claimed there is "ample documentation" for this.

This would be news to Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno. In July, Odierno, then the No. 2 commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, said, "We don't see any evidence, significant evidence, that shows that [Iranian-controlled] groups that are funding and providing arms to Shia extremists are directly related to al Qaeda."

No matter, because as Brit Hume says, "we all agree that McCain has understanding and knowledge of world affairs."

Sorry, Brit, but we don't all agree. In fact, we don't all agree at all.

Yes, McCain loves to talk about war. He loves to talk about "service," and "character," and "sacrifice" -- which are all great things. But McCain's version of foreign policy is simply rah-rah melodrama. It's like watching a John Wayne movie.

This was no gaffe. A gaffe would be something that was out of the ordinary. This is the opposite of a gaffe. This is evidence. And it's evidence we should not ignore. We already know what it's like to have a president who just assumes that whichever way he wants things to be is "common knowledge." It turns out that it's not just George Bush's war that McCain wants to continue; it's George Bush's approach.

Does the country want another George Bush in the White House? Voters should at least be given all the facts so they can make that decision for themselves. The problem is that the media have got an image in their creaky narrative machines about John McCain and they're sticking to it. It's much easier to just present the tried-and-true version of McCain that that has prevailed since 2000 instead of presenting the new McCain as he's become: cavalier, dismissive, and lazy about the facts.

John McCain doesn't need surrogates. He's got the media. Which is why his "gaffe" wasn't bigger news. Doyle McManus, Washington bureau chief of the L.A. Times explained it this way on Face the Nation yesterday (as Harry Shearer noted on HuffPost): "Iraq wasn't what was on voters' minds." Unlike the sermons of Jeremiah Wright.

Sometimes, the reason why McCain's dangerously tenuous grasp on the facts doesn't strike the media as odd is because they believe the same thing. Here's a video of CNN's Kyra Phillips pushing the same Iran/al Qaeda nonsense in an interview with Gen. Petraeus. To his credit, the General sets her straight.

I know one thing that might have made the media play McCain's "misstatement" bigger: if it had been uttered by a Democrat. As NBC's Chuck Todd pointed out, if Clinton or Obama had said such a thing "this would have been played on a loop, over and over."

And it's hard to claim it's all just because the public is bored with Iraq and prefers a good story about incendiary pastors. If that's true, why was there no feeding frenzy about Rev. John Hagee, the bigoted minister who endorsed McCain, partly because McCain's foreign policy fits neatly into Hagee's apocalyptic (and I'm not speaking metaphorically) worldview? Again, the media rushed to let McCain off the hook, even though, as Hagee himself said in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, "McCain's campaign sought my endorsement."

You can count me as one who actually does have Iraq on my mind and who wants the next president to have a mind capable of understanding it -- and a thirst to do so. As his trip to Iraq makes clear, McCain is not a candidate who has crossed that threshold.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:25 pm
Sorry
Does anyone around the globe
outside the border of USA
care who should be the next
butcher/ raper/ looter/ torturer?.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:38 pm
Burnt Orange Report - Results from County Conventions

TIMESTAMP - 8:33PM, 3/29/07

38.19% reporting

Clinton 42.52%
Obama 57.48%
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realjohnboy
 
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Sat 29 Mar, 2008 07:44 pm
Racing to catch up with this. How many delegates in TX will actually be allocated tonight?
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