Obama '08?

nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Interesting, to me at least, is that the current "hot topics' of the american electorate are the economy and iraq according to (60-70%) in recent polls and yet what I read and hear from the right wing-nut conservatives are "hot topics" of race and religion.
Perhaps the right wing-nuts realize they don't have an any answer to what's concerning the american electorate or they are just trying to change the subject but it doesn't seem to be working.
Perhaps I'm reading the wrong sources.

There's quite a bit of discussion on TNR (probably 99% pro-Obama) about his speech on race, his church, his pastor and his pastor's radical views. Some defend Obama on race and religion and others say they have issues they would like to have addressed. I'm still wading through a lot of it, but so far not one right wing-nut has shown up.

Of course anybody who holds a different point of view than pro-Obama rhetoric apparently will be dismissed by the Left as a 'right wingnut' as well being branded racist, hateful, ignorant anti-gay yadda yadda even as some on the Left accuse the right of dismissing whatever the Left thinks. Smile

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Kitten with a Whip wrote:

I would characterize as hysterical the right-wing smear machine's attempt to make something out of the media driven non-story concerning a preacher's strung together sound bites. Nobody cares except the people who were not going to vote for Obama anyway.

Kitten with a Whip, First of all WELCOME to A2K. This is the first time I'm seeing a post from you.

You've identified the problem in spades; the right wing has nowhere to go except "democrats are going to raise taxes, democrats are no good at national security, and liberalism is dangerous to our country."

They've been ignoring or is immune to the downturn in our ecoomy, no family members lost in Iraq, or still have no problems with lost jobs, the increased cost in food and fuel, and losing their home and/or car.

Amazing, to say the least.

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But apparently a few here think it is okay to disqualify or severely criticize or have fired ANYBODY on the Right for one joke or mixing up a phrase or complimenting a 90 year old colleague who was a one time separatist or uttering one objectionable word or attempting to explain a different point of view. And this despite numerous public apologies, explanations, self recrimination, etc. etc. etc.

I find that absolutely fascinating.

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I wanna thank you

Just So We're Clear
by Devilstower
Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:07:42 AM PDT

I'd like to extend my thanks to Soren Dayton, the "suspended" aide to John McCain who pushed a video that interspersed images of Barack Obama, Rev. Wright, Malcolm X, and the black Olympians who raised a fist in protest. I'd like to think right wing talk radio producer Lee Habeeb and his secret pals who produced the video.

I'd like to thank Fox News for their incessant running of clips of Wright, and their readiness to snip three words said by Obama and turn them into the subject of a day's programming.

And I'd like to thank Pat Buchanan, who's there to remind us of the senseless ingratitude that blacks bear for white Americans, even though we graciously arranged for them to be beaten, captured, chained, dragged across the sea, forced into service, and then released into poverty, abuse and discrimination.

I'd like to thank them all for their frankness. For their honesty. For their rank admission. For opening the door where the hoods are kept, and the sound of the whip biting into flesh still echos, and the smell of humanity crammed into tight and ugly confines lingers like sick perfume.

Just so we're clear: most people who do not support Barack Obama are not racist. Not just most -- a vast, overwhelming majority. I completely understand that people have many reasons not to support him as a candidate that have nothing to do with race.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said of Buchanan, or Habeeb, or Dayton, or the talking points relay team at Fox. These are people who have proclaimed publicly that they are determined not to campaign against potential candidate Senator Obama, but to campaign against black men as a whole. In the eyes of these men, blacks are not patriotic enough. Not American enough. Not grateful enough. And in not being grateful, they're no less than traitors.

These are men who have made racism -- not just implied, but implicit -- the cornerstone of their beliefs. And really, I am grateful that they've done so. When the dirt is hidden in cracks, it's hard to clean. Only when you get it out in the open, can it really be swept away.

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What I don't understand is why blacks and Hispanics vote republican. One of the great mysteries of life.

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I think that there's some traction on the racial issue, and what it really means to the right-wing, when you see things like This linked by the most popular right-wing blog on the net.

Cycloptichorn

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Foxfyre wrote:

nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Interesting, to me at least, is that the current "hot topics' of the american electorate are the economy and iraq according to (60-70%) in recent polls and yet what I read and hear from the right wing-nut conservatives are "hot topics" of race and religion.
Perhaps the right wing-nuts realize they don't have an any answer to what's concerning the american electorate or they are just trying to change the subject but it doesn't seem to be working.
Perhaps I'm reading the wrong sources.

There's quite a bit of discussion on TNR (probably 99% pro-Obama) about his speech on race, his church, his pastor and his pastor's radical views. Some defend Obama on race and religion and others say they have issues they would like to have addressed. I'm still wading through a lot of it, but so far not one right wing-nut has shown up.

Of course anybody who holds a different point of view than pro-Obama rhetoric apparently will be dismissed by the Left as a 'right wingnut' as well being branded racist, hateful, ignorant anti-gay yadda yadda even as some on the Left accuse the right of dismissing whatever the Left thinks.

could you point out my pro-Obama rhetoric?

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I couldn't see that last link, Cyclop. Salon requires allowing cookies. I am not that interested.
I am curious about something. I am sure that there are Clinton '08 and McCain '08 sites on a2k. Are they, too, visited by folks who are vehemently opposed to those candidates?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think that there's some traction on the racial issue, and what it really means to the right-wing, when you see things like This linked by the most popular right-wing blog on the net.

Cycloptichorn

It wasn't 'linked'.

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It was linked and this is what it contains;

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On the other hand, I am sick to death of black people as a group. The truth. That is part of the conversation Obama is asking for, isn't it? I live in an eastern state almost exactly on the fabled Mason-Dixon line. Every day I see young black males wearing tee shirts down to their knees -- and jeans belted just above their knees. I'm an old guy. I want to smack them. All of them. They are egregious stereotypes. It's impossible not to think the unthinkable N-Word when they roll up beside you at a stoplight in their trashed old Hondas with 19-inch spinner wheels and rap recordings that shake the foundations of the buildings. . . .

Here's the dirty secret all of us know and no one will admit to. There ARE niggers. Black people know it. White people know it. And only black people are allowed to notice and pronounce the truth of it. Which would be fine. Except that black people are not a community but a political party. They can squabble with each other in caucus but they absolutely refuse to speak the truth in public. And this is the single biggest obstacle to healing the racial divide in this country.

I'm not proposing the generalized use of the term, just trying to be clear for once, in the wake of Obama's call for us to have a dialogue about race. However much they may scream and protest, black people will know what I mean when I demand they concede that the following people are niggers:

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dys-

This is a drawing room discussion.

How dare you bring tasteless reality into it?

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dyslexia wrote:

It was linked and this is what it contains;

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On the other hand, I am sick to death of black people as a group. The truth. That is part of the conversation Obama is asking for, isn't it? I live in an eastern state almost exactly on the fabled Mason-Dixon line. Every day I see young black males wearing tee shirts down to their knees -- and jeans belted just above their knees. I'm an old guy. I want to smack them. All of them. They are egregious stereotypes. It's impossible not to think the unthinkable N-Word when they roll up beside you at a stoplight in their trashed old Hondas with 19-inch spinner wheels and rap recordings that shake the foundations of the buildings. . . .

Here's the dirty secret all of us know and no one will admit to. There ARE niggers. Black people know it. White people know it. And only black people are allowed to notice and pronounce the truth of it. Which would be fine. Except that black people are not a community but a political party. They can squabble with each other in caucus but they absolutely refuse to speak the truth in public. And this is the single biggest obstacle to healing the racial divide in this country.

I'm not proposing the generalized use of the term, just trying to be clear for once, in the wake of Obama's call for us to have a dialogue about race. However much they may scream and protest, black people will know what I mean when I demand they concede that the following people are niggers:

No, it wasn't. That's from a different blogger. The update is available on Instapundit's website if you're interested.

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Except for the "n#@ger" part I agree with the guy.

I also wonder why mexican sometimes have three kids that look like they are each one year apart in age.

I also wonder why white people seem to be programmed for manifest destiny.

And why are asians so tight with money and think your always trying to rip them off.

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nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

No, it wasn't. That's from a different blogger. The update is available on Instapundit's website if you're interested.

All to be seen via Cyclo's linked post.

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Every day I see young black males wearing tee shirts down to their knees -- and jeans belted just above their knees. I'm an old guy. I want to smack them. All of them. They are egregious stereotypes. It's impossible not to think the unthinkable N-Word when they roll up beside you at a stoplight in their trashed old Hondas with 19-inch spinner wheels and rap recordings that shake the foundations of the buildings. .

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If those who support Obama think he is serious and constructive in proposing that we have a discussion on race, then a discussion has to be allowed. You can't allow one point of view or perspective to be expressed and excoriate anybody with a different perspective or point of view and call that a discussion.

Following is Robert Byrd and his "white nig**er' comment that caused a brief bruhaha awhile back. That was one of those dumb things that are said in impromptu explanations. Please note that Tony Snow did allow Senator Byrd to clarify that remark and did so without comment or judgment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0

Obama's infamous comment about his grandmother being a 'typical white person' is another that was an unfortunate choice of words but one which I am sure he could explain in context to my satisfaction or anybody else's satisfaction who wasn't just out to get him.

Jeremiah Wright's rhetoric is more problematic. Yes, sound bites were taken out of context and strung together to give a particular impression. Unfortunately defenders of Wright have only unrelated non-controversial clips to counter the offension ones with. They don't have any clips of Wright explaining how a different meaning from how his word are being portrayed. You don't have any clips of Wright praising America or pointing out the blessings and advantages and privileges provided by our government that includes everybody. You don't get Wright suggesting that black, white, red, and yellow we are all brothers and sisters in Christ and there is no room to condemn or hate or blame anybody because of their skin color.

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dyslexia wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Interesting, to me at least, is that the current "hot topics' of the american electorate are the economy and iraq according to (60-70%) in recent polls and yet what I read and hear from the right wing-nut conservatives are "hot topics" of race and religion.
Perhaps the right wing-nuts realize they don't have an any answer to what's concerning the american electorate or they are just trying to change the subject but it doesn't seem to be working.
Perhaps I'm reading the wrong sources.

There's quite a bit of discussion on TNR (probably 99% pro-Obama) about his speech on race, his church, his pastor and his pastor's radical views. Some defend Obama on race and religion and others say they have issues they would like to have addressed. I'm still wading through a lot of it, but so far not one right wing-nut has shown up.

Of course anybody who holds a different point of view than pro-Obama rhetoric apparently will be dismissed by the Left as a 'right wingnut' as well being branded racist, hateful, ignorant anti-gay yadda yadda even as some on the Left accuse the right of dismissing whatever the Left thinks.

could you point out my pro-Obama rhetoric?

Please also show me where I'm pro-Obama.

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Obama is not his pastor. Obama explained why he stayed with his church and why he won't disown his pastor while still not agreeing with the words his pastor said. That satisfies me; of course others are free to not be satisfied with his explanation and he already explained his grandmother's remark which was not racist but simply a statement about his grandmother and the era she lived in and how she reacted to it. On that issue people are also certainly free to keep talking about it. Obama however is not obliged to keep repeating himself, he answered and that is an end to it.

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Again, Jeremiah Wright would not be a problem if Obama had not originally presented him as his spiritual mentor and advisor and put him on his campaign. It is a 20-year very close and supportive association with Wright that is Obama's problem and Obama knows it. That's what triggered the speech.

But the speech itself invited a discussion on race. Willing or not, Obama was dragged into that and it is probably going to have to happen now unless something more provocative bumps this off the radar. I'm just saying that if we're going to have a discussion on race, let's have a discussion on race instead of demanding that everybody accept and speak one particular point of view.

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