Obama '08?

" For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-14 :wink:

the bible, although probably not the infallible word of God... recognizes and gives us lots of hints about how to detect bullshit. Sort of a guidebook, although a human one written by humans.

Now, since you were a rabid Hillary supporter who switched to a rabid Obama supporter as soon as he pulled ahead...

Roxxxanne wrote:

Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.

Give it up. Your candidate is toast.

I have my references...

btw, your candidate is toast as well in the general and I take no pleasure at all in saying so.

Roxxxanne wrote:

Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.

Give it up. Your candidate is toast.

I have acknowledged that Obama will probably get the nomination for the last two weeks all over this forum... and I quote scripture fairy regularly.... I also quote from other sources when they seem to fit the situation.

I have my references... you have Mystery Science Theater.

btw, your candidate is toast as well in the general and I take no pleasure at all in saying so.

Now, since you were a rabid Hillary supporter who switched to a rabid Obama supporter as soon as he pulled ahead...can we expect you to become a rabid McCain supporter soon? Of course where roxx is concerned rabid is always the operative word...

You sure seem to have a lot of trouble making up your mind about who you are.....

Obama isn't 'toast' in the general. Not by a long shot. His polling has remained mostly even from where it was, and will rise back up again once he is the Dem. nominee.

Cycloptichorn

You have a crystal ball, which alerts you to the future?

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Obama isn't 'toast' in the general. Not by a long shot. His polling has remained mostly even from where it was, and will rise back up again once he is the Dem. nominee.

Cycloptichorn

Unless the Hillary supporters and the independents that support him now DONT vote for him in Nov.

So since we dont know anything for sure yet, I will repeat your own words...

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You have a crystal ball, which alerts you to the future?

Okay, before McCain got the nominee, the amount of posters on Republican message boards claiming they would never vote for him, was absolutely huge. I personally read hundreds of them. The vast majority of these people have fallen into line, and the vast majority of Dems will fall into line as well.

It's a rhetorical tool. When you are arguing a position, to claim the dire consequences of the undesired outcome happens. Voters have one real threat, and that's to withhold or change their vote. It's extremely common to see people, especially those without much debate experience, falling into that roll.

I'm not worried in the slightest, and I have no idea why most here would be at all. McCain is going to get clobbered by either candidate. Can you imagine him trying to debate domestic policy in depth with either one? Or even foreign policy? He's tied to Bush at the hip, supporting everything Bush supports. We're gonna slaughter em!

Cycloptichorn

McCain is going to get clobbered by either candidate.

... in this case, Bush term three.

I think there will be more boneheaded blunders like the Sunni-Shiite confusion earlier this week and sooner or later somebody's gotta ask about HIS tax returns, which he hasn't released.

He's supposed to be a military expert, policy expert, and he can't get these facts straight in his head? I don't know about you but that damn sure scared me.

Oh I think the facts on that stuff are straight enough in his head. But in hundreds of thousands of words all expressed with media microphones close at hand, everybody is going to misspeak or say something backwards from time to time. Take Obama's 10,000 dead from the tornados thing for instance. Ignorance? Or misspeak?

I give ANYBODY benefit of the doubt on something like that because we all are capable of making that kind of error in contemporaneous remarks.

You have a crystal ball, which alerts you to the future? I didn't know that!

Obama isn't 'toast' in the general. Not by a long shot. His polling has remained mostly even from where it was, and will rise back up again once he is the Dem. nominee.

Cycloptichorn

Foxfyre wrote:

Oh I think the facts on that stuff are straight enough in his head. But in hundreds of thousands of words all expressed with media microphones close at hand, everybody is going to misspeak or say something backwards from time to time. Take Obama's 10,000 dead from the tornados thing for instance. Ignorance? Or misspeak?

Sure. But we're talking about the guy who has been singing "bomb bomb Iran" (merely joking, of course), who said that he was perfectly fine with 100 years of occupation of Iraq, who said that in his opinion Americans were fine with 10,000 years of American occupation of Iraq, and who is on the record saying that he would have gone into Iraq even if he had known that there were no WMD.

At some point, the "I misspoke" excuse sounds a little bit lame.

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Also, McCain is running on a platform of him being the military expert, the guy who can handle the mess in Iraq, the ideal candidate to become Commander in Chief.

If Hillary or Obama were running on a similar platform of military expertise - would you be equally willing to give them the benefit of doubt if they had mixed up Syria and Iran, Shiites and Sunnis, Shiite militia and Al Qaeda?

I don't think so.


(And hey, isn't one presidency where a guy mistakenly invaded the wrong country enough for you?)

I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?

Just wondering.

kickycan wrote:

I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?

Just wondering.

He won't start laughing and burn the flag, but if he really does harbor ill feelings toward the country, no telling what he would do in regard to many issues. Would you turn over your house to somebody that despises your guts for 4 years, or at least to someone that doesn't really care about you, or maybe he only cares about part of your house, or what if that someone thinks you owe him something, or what if that someone really doesn't like you or your house very well? Would you feel comfortable with that?