blatham wrote:nappyheadedhohoho wrote:revel wrote:I am tired of talking about this Wright thing...
You probably should get a new hobby, then. As long as Obama keeps telling us that his grandmother, you know, she's not racist exactly, she's just a typical white person, this not only will be in the news, every thing he says on the subject will be scrutinized and then some.
And rightly so.
Brace yourself.
I'm afraid nappy on noggin has at least something right, revel. This will continue. Not because it has any intellectual or moral value but merely because this is the typical process by which the modern right operates in such situations. They are a slime-friendly crowd. It's one of just a few things they do well. War...not so well. Economics...ah, nah. Honesty...laughter erupts. Privacy...yikes. But sliming, deceit and corruption...wow. We gotta hand it to them.
Unlike, of course, the NY Times' salacious reporting of innuendoes concerning sexual liaisons between McCain and a lobbyist or their pathetic attempt to light a fire around his being born in Panama and therefore not eligible for the presidency.
Unlike Dan Rather and his crew cooking up a story about George Bush and his National Guard service.
Trouble is that while these two stories were examples of journalistic shame, the reporting on Obama's connections with Wright is entirely legitimate.
It's not at all surprising that you, revel and Roxxy would like it to "just stop, damn it!"
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, and if you do, you must be
slim.
InfraBlue wrote:Finn dAbuzz quoting Blatham wrote:
This one takes the cake.
CNN and MSNBC are hanging on to the Wright story because of Fox and Rush Limbaugh.
What's next?
Fox and Limbaugh are responsible for:
Global warming?
The spread of Africanized bees?
Turmoil in the Middle East?
The heartbreak of Psoriasis?
The sub-prime mortgage crisis?
Oprah's ever fluctuating weight?
That Americans don't take Canadian liberals seriously
?
Well, Fox and Limbaugh probably aren't responsible (at least not entirely) for Global warming, the spread of Africanized bees, turmoil in the Middle East, the heartbreak of Psoriasis, the sub-prime mortgage crisis, Oprah's ever fluctuating weight, or the assertion that Americans don't take Canadian liberals seriously; but I do know that Fox and Limbaugh are responsible for CNN's Headline News to give in to their jonesing for higher profits and pander to the lowest common denominator in giving that Limbaugh wannabe, Glenn Beck, a Limbaugh style hate-fest show; and MSNBC attempting to cash in on a Bill O'Reilly shout-fest show with its own versions staring their very own pale O'Reilly copy, John Scarborough. But, alas, when it comes to hate and screaming, Limbaugh and Fox are second to none.
And so this is Fox's fault and not CNN's, MSNBC's or, for that matter, the watching/listening audience in America?
By the way, how do you "know" that Fox and Limbaugh are responsible for anything CNN or MSNBC does?
It must be fear - the steady drumbeat, emphasizing anything negative they can unearth, sounds like confident trumpeting of a McCain victory...
but considering Obama came from nowhere practically, to be challenging the most powerful political machine (Clinton) and the (now) champion of the GOP, it sure smells like fear to me.
snood wrote:It must be fear - the steady drumbeat, emphasizing anything negative they can unearth, sounds like confident trumpeting of a McCain victory...
but considering Obama came from nowhere practically, to be challenging the most powerful political machine (Clinton) and the (now) champion of the GOP, it sure smells like fear to me.
Yeah...that must be it.
When snood starts laying the groundwork for blaming Obama's defeat on slimey right-wingers and Clintonistas, I am much encouraged.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:snood wrote:It must be fear - the steady drumbeat, emphasizing anything negative they can unearth, sounds like confident trumpeting of a McCain victory...
but considering Obama came from nowhere practically, to be challenging the most powerful political machine (Clinton) and the (now) champion of the GOP, it sure smells like fear to me.
Yeah...that must be it.
When snood starts laying the groundwork for blaming Obama's defeat on slimey right-wingers and Clintonistas, I am much encouraged.
Yeah, that might be where I'm at - thinking Obama has had it - anguishing about the opposition - feeling impending defeat...
or, I might be considering how unlikely I thought it was for him to get this far, and seeing that as very good reason to be hopeful he emerges from this on top.
there's all kinds of possibilities...
http://www.slate.com/id/2187113/
People can give their analysis all day long and each one a different one; but any way you slice it; the Richardson endorsement was a plus in an otherwise negative week for Obama.
As for the polls; I think you have to go with at least recognized ones and also even those it is too soon to tell how this hoopla over Obama's Pastor and his speech is going to play out. One thing for sure he didn't die over this and by and large his speech was well received but he needs a kick up in numbers and I am not sure he is going to get it. So McCain it may be for me. Just have hold my nose because I sure ain't going to vote for Hillary now after all this; right or wrong.
Won't be the last time. Going to be a long (and interesting) 7 months.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
It's not at all surprising that you, revel and Roxxy would like it to "just stop, damn it!"
Neither Revel nor I ever said to "just stop,damn it." (unless I misses Revel, if you can post a link to a quote...)
This just goes to show how the right has to try to distort everything.
Quote:Veteran journalist Chris Wallace admonished Fox & Friends over their characterization of a comment in which Obama referred to his grandmother as a "typical white person."
"I love you guys, but I want to take you to task if I may respectfully for a moment," Wallace began. "I have been watching the show..., and it seems to me that two hours of Obama-bashing on this 'typical white person' remark is somewhat excessive, and frankly, I think you're somewhat distorting what Obama had to say."
As the F&F hosts began grinning and shifting around in their seats, Wallace continued, "What he said was, 'The point I was making was not that my [grandmother] harbors any racial animosity--she doesn't--but she is a typical white person...,'" which is where you generally have clipped it."
I must admit though after hearing all this, I will never vote for Jeremiah Wright for president.
CBS) Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race this week, in which he discussed his relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his controversial longtime minister, has received largely positive reviews, according to a new CBS News poll.
But the percentage of voters who think Obama would unite the country as president has dropped since late February.
Sixty-nine percent of voters who have heard or read about Obama's speech say he did a good job addressing the issue of race relations, and 63 percent of voters following the events say they agree with Obama's views on race relations. Seventy-one percent say he did a good job explaining his relationship with Wright.
When registered voters were asked if Obama would unite the country, however, 52 percent said yes - down from 67 percent last month.
Obama's favorable rating, which stands at 43 percent, continues to outweigh his unfavorable rating of 30 percent.
Most voters following the events say they will make no difference in their vote. Seventy percent say the events will make no difference in their vote. Among those who said it would, 14 percent said it makes them more likely to vote for Obama while an equal number said it makes them less likely to support him.
Nearly a quarter of Democrats say the events have made them more likely to back Obama, while a similar number of Republicans say they are now less likely to do so. Three in four independents say the events make no difference, and the remainder are nearly evenly split between those more likely to support him and those less likely to do so.
For this poll, CBS News re-interviewed voters who were first surveyed between March 15th and 18th, 2008, in the midst of the Wright controversy and mostly before Obama's speech on race. The goal was to gauge their reactions to Tuesday's speech and the continuing controversy over Wright's comments. The poll was conducted on the night of March 20th.
Among voters who supported Obama over presumptive Republican nominee John McCain before the speech, 23 percent say they are now more likely to support the Illinois senator. Just six percent are less likely to support him, while 69 percent say it makes no difference.
Overall, the speech and events surrounding the matter have found a wide audience. Most voters say they have heard or read some about these events, including 42 percent who have heard a lot about it. Just four percent of those surveyed had not heard about the controversy.
I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?
Just wondering.
Uh-oh another quote surfaces:
"God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war. . . . And we are criminals in that war. We've committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I'm going to continue to say it. And we won't stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation. But God has a way of even putting nations in their place."... "And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power."
kickycan wrote:I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?
Just wondering.
The junior senator from Illinois will serve out his term, then go on the lecture circuit and write another book (subject to be determined, but one can guess).
kickycan wrote:I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?
Just wondering.
" For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light." - 2 Corinthians 11:13-14 :wink:
the bible, although probably not the infallible word of God... recognizes and gives us lots of hints about how to detect bullshit. Sort of a guidebook, although a human one written by humans.
Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.
Give it up. Your candidate is toast.
kickycan wrote:I have a question for the people who think this Pastor Wright thing is such a big deal. What exactly do you think is going to happen? Do you think Obama's going to get sworn in as the president and turn to the podium and suddenly start laughing diabolically, burn an American flag right there in the Rose Garden, and start ranting about how stupid all you whities are and how Goddammed racist America deserved 9-11?
Just wondering.
Don't hold your breath waiting to an intelligent answer to this one. It's the same thing as the Muslim smear; the point isn't to imply that any actual actions will take place, but to scare the listener into questioning Obama's sincerity.
Cycloptichorn
Roxxxanne wrote:Gosh, you know BPB is desperate when he starts quoting scripture.
Give it up. Your candidate is toast.
I have acknowledged that Obama will probably get the nomination for the last two weeks all over this forum... and I quote scripture fairy regularly.... I also quote from other sources when they seem to fit the situation.
I have my references... you have Mystery Science Theater.
btw, your candidate is toast as well in the general and I take no pleasure at all in saying so.
Now, since you were a rabid Hillary supporter who switched to a rabid Obama supporter as soon as he pulled ahead...can we expect you to become a rabid McCain supporter soon? Of course where roxx is concerned rabid is always the operative word...
You sure seem to have a lot of trouble making up your mind about who you are.....
Politics makes strange bedfellows:
Quote:Mr. Richardson looked anguished when asked in an interview if his relationship with the Clintons would withstand endorsing Mr. Obama. In doing so, Mr. Richardson was not only taking sides in the most bitter of political fights, but rejecting the candidacy of a close friend.
"There's something special about this guy," Mr. Richardson said of Mr. Obama. "I've been trying to figure it out, but it's very good."
Mr. Clinton helped elevate Mr. Richardson to the national stage by naming him his energy secretary and ambassador to the United Nations. And Mr. Clinton left no doubt that he viewed Mr. Richardson's support as important to his wife's campaign: He even flew to New Mexico to watch the Super Bowl with Mr. Richardson as part of the Clintons' high-profile courtship of him.
But Mr. Richardson stopped returning Mr. Clinton's calls days ago, Mr. Clinton's aides said. And as of Friday, Mr. Richardson said, he had yet to pick up the phone to tell Mr. Clinton of his decision.
The reaction of some of Mr. Clinton's allies suggests that might have been a wise decision. "An act of betrayal," said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.
"Mr. Richardson's endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic," Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.
Mr. Richardson said he called Mrs. Clinton late on Thursday to inform her that he would be appearing with Mr. Obama on Friday to lend his support.
"It was cordial, but a little heated," Mr. Richardson said in an interview.
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