Obama '08?

Butrflynet wrote:

Foxfyre,

Have you bothered to listen to those two videos I linked to on dailyKOS?

If so, do they alter your impression of Wright at all?

I probably have Butrfly though I don't generally frequent dailyKos which I consider to be a radical leftwing site dedicated to dishonest representation of conservatives and conservative ponts of view. (Yes I am confessing to definite prejudice here.)

You didn't need to "frequent" the site to view them. I posted a direct link to them several times today.

I have listened to quite a few of Pastor Wright's sermons and no, everything he says is not objectionable or offensive or inflammatory. But too many of them are though most are probably not as extreme as those clips that have been so prominent in the news. Even ABC reporters--ABC is nobody's idea of a conservative organization--concur that there are racist and anti-American undertones in many if not most Wright sermons. (Somebody posted an ABC story about that on this thread either earlier today or yesterday so I won't bother to look it up.)

At any rate, I'm not the one you need to convince Butrfly. I knew Obama wasn't the guy for me at the time I reviewed his voting record months and months ago. I am an unashamed conservative and I will be voting for the candidate who most closely represents my views.

I'm not trying to convince you about Obama. I'm offering another glimpse of Reverend Wright and why Obama remains at his church and brings his daughters to hear the sermons.


You also don't need to convince those of you who are madly in love with Obama. All of you already have your minds made up too and it is unlikely that anybody will be producing anything that will shake your confidence.

I'm not madly in love with Obama. His campaign has more than a few faults and I'm not 100% in agreement with some of his campaign stances. He is, however, the person I want to lead our country and society to help us help ourselves move forward and thrive in the global politics and economy.

So that still leaves those folks on the fence that haven't made a decisive choice yet. And I do believe Jeremiah has shaken the confidence of those folks and a couple of really sweet sermons isn't likely to erase the image of "God da*m America and US of KKKA" from their near memories.

In other words, you believe people will continue to fearfully cross to the other side of the street to avoid learning anything more about a reverend they don't know very much about.

In other words, you believe people will continue to fearfully cross to the other side of the street to avoid learning anything more about a reverend they don't know very much about.

No. I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that Obama's speech failed to quell whatever concerns or suspicions that have been raised re Obama. I also said that a couple of videos of uncontroversial sermons by Pastor Wright are unlikely to erase the memories of the controversial ones. I bet it would not be hard to secure tapes of Pastor Hagee's sermons that would in no way be perceived as anti-Catholic or anti-semitic or any other politically incorrect view. Do you think those would erase the complaints most of us have re Pastor Hagee? Would some noncontroversial Hagee comments make a difference to you?

Apples and oranges OE. ALL politicians solicit support from people. Even Obama does that. Some of those people are going to be involved in practices or will have said things or will support things that we criticize or oppose.

You cannot equate solicitation of support from a prominent tele-evangelist of a large Texas megachurch with a 20-year commitment, attendance, and heavy contributions to that church plus putting the pastor on your campaign staff.

Now if McCain had been a member of Hagee's church for an extended period, had contributed heavily to that church, and Hagee was invited to be part of the campaign, we could definitely question whether McCain embraced the views that Hagee preaches, and we would likely not believe him when he said that he did not.

Apples and oranges OE. ALL politicians solicit support from people. Even Obama does that. Some of those people are going to be involved in practices or will have said things or will support things that we criticize or oppose.

You cannot equate solicitation of support from a prominent tele-evangelist of a large Texas megachurch with a 20-year commitment, attendance, and heavy contributions to that church plus putting the pastor on your campaign staff.

David Shuster reports that the State Department sez the Inspector General - who is charged with the responsibility to monitor data leaks at the State Dept - didn't find out about it until today, and Condi found out yesterday.

State Department 'admits they failed.' He said this was dealt with at the office level by the office level supervisors. Failed to get the information to a 'sufficiently high level.' This confirms that people knew that this information was known for MONTHS but wasn't passed up the food chain.

You'd better get ready to hear about this for a long time.

Cycloptichorn

Foxfyre wrote:

Apples and oranges OE. ALL politicians solicit support from people. Even Obama does that. Some of those people are going to be involved in practices or will have said things or will support things that we criticize or oppose.

You cannot equate solicitation of support from a prominent tele-evangelist of a large Texas megachurch with a 20-year commitment, attendance, and heavy contributions to that church plus putting the pastor on your campaign staff.

Yeah, that's right. It's not the same. Obama has denounced the statements of Rev. Wright. McCain has actively sought the support of Pastor Hagee, without criticising the pastor's more questionable statements at all.

Obama has been part of his congregation for 20 years. McCain has sought the support of Pastor Hagee solely for political reasons.

Yet you seem to think that the statements of Rev. Wright rise questions, no, wait, you said "concerns or suspicions", regarding Obama. Yet I haven't seen you saying that we should question McCain's character, or be suspicious about McCain - for all we know he might be a closet racist - because of the statements of Pastor Hagee - whose support McCain actively sought for the upcoming elections...

Cycloptichorn wrote:

David Shuster reports that the State Department sez the Inspector General - who is charged with the responsibility to monitor data leaks at the State Dept - didn't find out about it until today, and Condi found out yesterday.

State Department 'admits they failed.' He said this was dealt with at the office level by the office level supervisors. Failed to get the information to a 'sufficiently high level.' This confirms that people knew that this information was known for MONTHS but wasn't passed up the food chain.

You'd better get ready to hear about this for a long time.

Cycloptichorn

Shocking! I bet Bush's poll numbers plunge. :wink:

Was Obama involved in all that? How? I have to assume there is some connection for it being introduced on this thread.

nimh wrote:

Again, it seems to be Foxfyre's posts in particular that make me want to respond... there's no "hunting" involved, just those are apparently the ones that I feel need to be responded to.

That's because Foxfyre consistently spreads lies and half-truths that fit her side and then when she gets called on it, she's oh so civil as she pretends that oops, she didn't mean it that way, or oops, she didn't see that new information...oops, oops, oops. It's all such a crock of ****.

But you pretty much know how she operates. I'm just saying this to bring it to the attention of others who may not know her slimy tactics.

Forget this Wright bullshit. Passportgate will blow this story away!

re: Passportgate, Fratboy punk Tucker Carlson says that people won't be talking about Wright for a long time.

The Wright controversy is now YESTERDAY'S news


Time to talk about who is snooping into Obama's files.