FreeDuck wrote:Foxfyre wrote:
I don't see a problem that Obama belonged to a black church that was dedicated to helping black people either, nor did I suggest anything wrong with that.
That's what you say here, but according to your subsequent paragraphs it's not true. You imply that because you cannot substitute white for black in the church's mission statement and description of itself, there is a problem. Just as in math, you cannot just make substitutions with unequal values and expect to still come out with an equation that can be solved. By your substitution logic, there can be no Korean churches or synagogues, because if you substituted white for korean, or white for Jew, it would be problematic.
Quote:I do see a problem with Obama sharing the racist and anti-American views of his pastor presumably with the consent of the congregation if he in fact does. You are the one who asked what TUCC was all about so I provided the information I had.
Not exactly. You seemed to be saying (and still kind of do) that the organization itself is racist or has a primary purpose that is unsavory somehow, and that Obama's membership in such a church tarnishes him by association. That's why I asked what you knew about his church's mission and that's when you shared that paragraph (out of 3 on that page). What I want to know is what you know of the man and the church other than the clips that continue to be played on Fox. Or are you letting your entire opinion be formed around that?
Quote:Does this make sense?
No, not to me. Why is it that you seem to think that Obama would not have the interests of all of us at heart? What has he said or done to give you this impression?
I think if it doesn't make sense it can only be that you don't want it to Freeduck. I haven't found any clips on Fox--I have found plenty of clips scattered throughout the web however--and I know that Obama says that Jeremiah Wright is much more than those clips. We know the clips are valid because the Church sells CDs of Pastor Wright's sermons. That's how those clips got on the internet in the first place. If he preaches non-controversial sermons, there is nothing stopping Obama supporters from putting those clips out there too.
Remember that Trent Lott spoke probably hundreds of thousands of words as a Senator though, 99.9% of those not racist or un-PC in any sense. At StromThurmond's birthday party, he made a comment about the country being better off if Thurmond's presidential bid had been successful. Thurman was a white separatist at the time of his presidential bid many decades before, however, and Lott was forced to resign as Senate Majority Leader for making a single casual reference in support of a 90 year old colleague. No amount of Lott saying that Thurmond's platform didn't even cross his mind at the time could save him.
We have a whole lot more than one comment from Jeremiah Wright .
Did you do the exercise I suggested substituting the words? Would you please do that and then tell me how you would react to that if that is what was published on a church's website?
