okie
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 12:52 am
Finn, I think the Democratic Party and the press have already carried this guy too far and have invested their entire movement in this guy now. It appears too late for them to disavow him no matter how bizarre and how bad of a candidate or president he could be. So I fully expect them to circle the wagons now, as what choice do they have.

It is sad that a party is so blind and so devoted to their own party, more than intellectual honesty, to ever admit their leader is a dud, a total disaster. We saw that with Clinton as dysfunctional as he was and is, and to this day they have continued to promote the Clintons to an extent, although the polish is off the Clintons enough that a goodly portion of the party was looking for another saviour, and so out pops the phenom, Obama. They blithely ignore what he might be really about, because hey, he supposedly gave a great speech, thats it. I still puzzle over that, because it wasn't all that great in my opinion.

This is going to be interesting to say the least.
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blueflame1
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 06:27 am
okie, you can deny American history but your denial wont wash it away. At least Rev. Wright addresses the disease and imo his motivation is healing.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:13 am
okie wrote:
Finn, I think the Democratic Party and the press have already carried this guy too far and have invested their entire movement in this guy now.


Are we talking about the same press who engaged in a feeding frenzy this weekend showing and discussing the Wright video? That press?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:18 am
okie wrote:
They blithely ignore what he might be really about, because hey, he supposedly gave a great speech, thats it. I still puzzle over that...


It is you who blithely ignore what he is all about. You haven't even read his book.

Noteto the luicid: see how Hillary has given fodder to the know nothing right-wing morons as they use her rhetoric to try to diminish Obama?
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revel
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:21 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
okie wrote:
Finn, I think the Democratic Party and the press have already carried this guy too far and have invested their entire movement in this guy now.


Are we talking about the same press who engaged in a feeding frenzy this weekend showing and discussing the Wright video? That press?


Laughing
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:24 am
Obama increases delegate lead.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:26 am
Yep, thanks for posting that, Roxxxanne.

We have SUCH a weird primary system...
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revel
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:29 am
Just how many of these sermons did he preach and at what time period? Were they all filled with anti-Americanism or just stating some facts about some of the history which some are true? My point is that Obama has been pretty busy running for Senate; making speeches, running for President. It is very well possible he didn't keep up with his local church all that closely and missed the speech where the pastor said "G_D America and didn't keep in close contact with his local church members over these last few years. After all; I haven't heard about it until now; the press hasn't been talking it until now that I am aware and the man has been running fast pace and could have very well not heard the sermon or the talk of sermon if there was talk of it to begin with.

I really don't think this is going to be as big a deal except with the lapel and "first time I was proud of America" crowd. But I could be wrong and if I am; I think it would be shame because I honestly do not think Obama feels that way him self.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:48 am
Nancy Pelosi on This Week


"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party..."
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mysteryman
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 08:16 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Nancy Pelosi on This Week


"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party..."


Isnt she the master of understatement!
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 09:31 am
mysteryman wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Nancy Pelosi on This Week


"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party..."


Isnt she the master of understatement!


LOL you missed the OBVIOUS. That it is not what was said but who said it. Furthermore, she was ANSWERING A QUESTION.

I just watched the interview and Stephanopoulos asked her if she would step in.

No as it won't be necessary.

...but what if one candidate wins the popular vote and the other the delegates.

The nomination will be decided by the delegate count.

Now, I ask you. If this is such an understatement and so obvious, why doesn't Hillary Clinton get it and drop out?
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Miller
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 09:47 am
Is Rev. Wright waving his palms today? Laughing
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blueflame1
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 09:56 am
Miller, you know the Mass murderer in Chief of the USA is waving his.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 09:59 am
Miller wrote:
Is Rev. Wright waving his palms today? Laughing


I am sure he is. So is the Pope. Today is Palm Sunday, Einstein.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 10:23 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
nimh wrote:


It will hurt him in the primaries, and it it will hurt him more in the general election (if he makes it that far).

Anything that tarnishes the gild of Obama the New Political Messiah, hurts his chance.

He peaked too soon.




No, I think you are incorrect. In the end, it won't hurt him much at all. B/c statements made by other people are never as damaging to candidates as people make them out to be.

Who is it going to hurt him with in the general - Republicans, like yourself, who already weren't going to vote for him?

What evidence do you have that it's going to hurt him? None, really, just your supposition that it will. I don't really think that's all that good a metric, personally Laughing

Cycloptichorn


I agree with Cyclo on this one; nobody can control what others say. To make the listener responsible is just outright stupidy/insanity.
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Miller
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 10:56 am
Rev. Wright is waving good-bye!

Why would anyone want to call this specimen, Rev in the first place?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 11:02 am
Miller wrote:
Rev. Wright is waving good-bye!

Why would anyone want to call this specimen, Rev in the first place?


He's a better person then you, hater.

Cycloptichorn
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 11:11 am
Is "Miller" still continuing the ruse that he or she is a Clinton supporter?
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Miller
 
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Sun 16 Mar, 2008 11:14 am
Quote:
Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States


ABC NEWs


Can you picture Obama as the Commander-in-Chief? Whicj side will he be on, anyway?
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revel
 
  1  
Sun 16 Mar, 2008 11:31 am
I can picture him as commander in chief and think he and I both will be on the side of America. I am not sure Obama is going to get that far though with this latest blitz going round. We will have to see. If he is finished; either Hillary or McCain will be better than Bush but McCain won't get us out of our economy trouble or Iraq.

He explains it all to my satisfaction in the following.

I realize not to everyone's satisfaction and maybe even some Obama supporters might have trouble with Obama looking over his Pastors inflammatory remarks even though he don't agree with them and has in fact disavowed them. Moreover; if you read his speeches; Obama does not have the same anti-Americanism as his previous Pastor does. Like I said; there are a lot of things I strongly disagree with my preacher about politically but since I have ties there in my community and my family goes there and there is nothing religiously I disagree him with about; I still go there.

Quote:
Obama Disavows Pastor's Remarks

Looks like Barack Obama is kicking his crazy uncle out of the basement.

The Democratic presidential hopeful has compared his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, to an "old uncle" with whom he doesn't always agree. But with the controversial preacher's racially inflammatory remarks and sermons burning up the Internet over the past 24 hours or so, the Obama campaign had to respond with some tough love.

In a posting on Huffington Post late Friday afternoon, Obama called Wright's statements "inflammatory and appalling" and said, "Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

Obama also prepared for a blitz of interviews on the major cable television networks in an effort to quell the controversy.

Among his most controversial statements, Wright said African Americans should sing "God Damn America" instead of "God Bless America." And he suggested that the Unites States invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks with its own "terrorism."

Wright just retired from Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Obama, his wife, Michelle and their two young daughters attend. But Wright's sermons have been immortalized on the Internet -- unfortunately for Obama.

In one, Wright told his congregation the reason why "so many folks are hating on Barack Obama" is because he doesn't "fit the model: He ain't white, he ain't rich and he ain't privileged."

"Hillary [Clinton] fits the mold," Wright said, delivering a fiery tirade on how "Hillary never had a cab whiz past her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong color," and how "Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over as a black man driving" and how "Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home."

He also said Hillary has never been called the "N word." (Wright used the actual word.)

On Huffington Post, Obama wrote, "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church. "

As you can see in this mocked-up YouTube video, Republicans could have a field day using Wright as ammunition in a general election contest against Obama.

Todd Harris, a veteran GOP political strategist, tells us, "There are hundreds of churches in Chicago to choose from but Obama picked the one with a racist preacher who is anti-American and anti-Israel. This guy makes Louis Farrakhan look like Hello Kitty and we're going to have a field day with this."

Obama's "crazy uncle" problem is particularly troublesome for his campaign as he seeks to allay Jewish voters' concerns about his commitment to Israel and his endorsement from Black Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan.

ABC News reviewed dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons and found "repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans."

Before the senator commented Friday, the Obama campaign put out a statement saying, "Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees."

UPDATE: This evening, Rev. Wright stepped down from the African American Religious Leadership Committee, which was his only formal connection to the Obama campaign, according to Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/obama_reacts_to_controversial.html
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