nappyheadedhohoho
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:01 am
Obama reveals Rezko played a bigger fundraising role(David Jackson, March 14, 2008, Chicago Tribune)

Indicted Chicago businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko was a more significant fundraiser for presidential candidate Barack Obama's earlier political campaigns than previously known. Rezko raised as much as $250,000 for the first three offices Obama sought, the senator told the Tribune on Friday.

Obama also said for the first time that his private real estate transactions with Rezko were not simply mistakes of judgement because Rezko was under grand jury investigation at the time of their 2005 and 2006 dealings.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:08 am
[quote="nappyheadedhohoho Rezko raised as much as $250,000 for the first three offices Obama sought, the senator told the Tribune on Friday.

Obama also said for the first time that his private real estate transactions with Rezko were not simply mistakes of judgement because Rezko was under grand jury investigation at the time of their 2005 and 2006 dealings.[/quote]

Full interview (audio): Obama speaks to the Tribune Editorial Board March 14, 2008
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:12 am
Re: say huh?
nimh wrote:
Interesting that you should take Magginkat's word for this.


I didn't - I looked it up - as you'd see by the link in my post. Obama's Florida ads were well-covered in the Florida media at the time.

The number of ads, pffft, don't care - that Obama did run ads in Florida - that IS interesting.

Cable companies replace U.S. ads with Canadian ads in their programming all the time - it's been that way for decades. The same program runs - they just replace some ads. It's no big deal.

Cable companies substitute ads in specific markets all the time - there are black-outs on products/games locally - one in,one out - it's quite easy to do - if you want to/need to.

When I did my marketing (advertising specialty) program in the 1980's, we were already learning how to block t.v. ads for specific markets. The U.S. can't be that far behind.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:28 am
Quote:


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8019.html
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maporsche
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:29 am


So Clinton took those extra steps to ensure that she stayed within the boundries of her pledge?

And Obama.....just didn't?
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:32 am


Whoodathunk it'd be more difficult in the U.S. Set'll have a fit.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:35 am
Yes cable companies can replace national ads with local ads or programming at will. And they do. As can local stations included by the cable companies.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:50 am
Outspoken Minister Out Of Obama Campaign
Too many religious leaders in the U.S. are hate mongers and advocates of intolerance. Why is it that their followers don't recognize that their leaders sound just like the radical Islamic hate mongers? It doesn't matter whether the leader is African-American or white. They all are in the same camp as Muslim leaders spewing hate. They appear not to see themselves in the hate monger mirror.

We've know many, such as Robertson and Falwell and many others. Why are so many fundamentalist leaders hate mongers?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter18b.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html

http://www.secularleft.us/archives/2006/01/rev_rod_parsley.html

http://www.jewsonfirst.org/parsley.html

BBB

---------------------------------------------------
Outspoken Minister Out Of Obama Campaign
By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 15, 2008; A01

CHICAGO, March 14 -- A campaign spokesman said Friday night that the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., former pastor at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, is no longer affiliated with Sen. Barack Obama's presidential race after coming under fresh scrutiny for controversial comments that the Illinois Democrat called "inflammatory and appalling."

Wright, who presided over Obama's wedding and supplied the "audacity of hope" line that has become one of the candidate's signatures, has been a source of controversy for Obama for months because of the inflammatory words and themes of some sermons.

Last month, in a meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland, Obama said Wright was "like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with."

But more examples of Wright's rhetoric surfaced this week, including a speech Wright delivered in 2006 at Howard University in which he said: "Racism is how this country was founded and how this country was run. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God." The speech was quoted in an op-ed article in Friday's Wall Street Journal.

In a letter to the Huffington Post Web site Friday afternoon -- and in a later interview on MSNBC -- Obama went further than he has previously gone to distance himself from Wright's comments, while urging voters to judge him "on the basis of who I am and what I believe in."

"All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn," Obama wrote. "They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country."

Obama said in the MSNBC interview that he did not "repudiate the man."

"I have known him 17 years," Obama said. "He helped bring me to Jesus and helped bring me to church. He and I have a relationship -- he's like an uncle who talked to me, not about political things and social views, but faith and God and family. He's somebody who is widely respected throughout Chicago and throughout the country for many of the things he's done not only as a pastor but a preacher."

Campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor notified reporters tonight that Wright will no longer serve his largely ceremonial role on Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee. He declined to elaborate.

Obama has worshiped at Trinity, one of Chicago's largest and most prominent churches, for nearly 20 years. He wrote in his memoir, "Dreams from My Father" that Wright had a profound influence over him in the 1990s, when his faith was reaffirmed.

Wright, 66, married Barack and Michelle Obama and baptized their two daughters. He was to give a public invocation on the day in February 2007 when Obama launched his presidential bid. But in a move interpreted by some -- including Wright -- as an effort by the Obama campaign to impose some distance, Wright's appearance was canceled.

Obama said he first learned of Wright's controversial statements at the start of his campaign. Because of the pastor's imminent retirement and the Obama family's strong ties to Trinity and its community, he said, "I did not think it appropriate to leave the church."

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation," Obama wrote.

Obama also responded Friday to another lingering issue from his time in Chicago -- his relationship with indicted fundraiser and developer Antoin "Tony" Rezko. He met for about three hours with investigative reporters and editorial board members of Chicago's two biggest newspapers.

Few details appeared to be new. Obama revised upward, to as much as $250,000, his estimate of the money Rezko raised for his early campaigns. He reiterated his mea culpa about coordinating the purchase of his Chicago home with Rezko and buying a piece of an adjoining property from Rezko and his wife.

Obama, who has made ethics a centerpiece of his career, told the Chicago Tribune that he made a mistake "in not seeing the potential conflicts of interest." He said Rezko asked for no favors and added that when he asked Rezko about news media reports of his questionable dealings, the developer denied they had merit.

"My instinct was to believe him," Obama said, the Tribune reported.

Rezko is on trial in a Chicago federal court, accused of using political influence to extort money from companies hoping to do business with the Illinois government. Obama has no connection to the case.

Staff researcher Madonna Lebling in Washington contributed to this report.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 11:02 am
I posted this over on the Conservatism thread, but it probably needs to be here too since it gives Obama's side to these issues:

Quote:
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., condemned racially charged sermons by his former pastor Friday and urged Americans not to reject his presidential campaign because of "guilt by association."

Obama's campaign announced that the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., had left its spiritual advisory committee after videotapes of his sermons again ignited fierce debate in news accounts and political blogs.

Obama did not clarify whether Wright volunteered to leave his African American Religious Leadership Committee, a loose group of supporters associated with the campaign, or whether the campaign asked him to leave.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881/


Here is the MSNBC interview with Barack Obama re his 'refutation' of Jeremiah Wright's incendiary comments (and also his relationship with Tony Rezko). Do you think he is convincing?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23640119#23640119
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 11:27 am
Why did you put refutation in quotes?
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 11:28 am
foxfyre wrote:
Here is the MSNBC interview with Barack Obama re his 'refutation' of Jeremiah Wright's incendiary comments (and also his relationship with Tony Rezko). Do you think he is convincing?


Why did you put refutation in quotes?
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 11:32 am
Why do you want to know?
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 12:13 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Why do you want to know?



Why can't you just answer a simple question rather than rudely and evasively answering a question with a question?
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Magginkat
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 12:33 pm
Re: say huh?
Cycloptichorn wrote:

The DNC invalidated the votes in FL and MI. NOT the Obama campaign.

This entire post is a bunch of bullcrap. The Dem legislature in FL voted unanimously to move the election date; the MI Dems voted for it and the Dem Gov. signed the bill. There's no excuse.

FL and MI wanted to jump the gun, they got punished for doing so, and now Hillary supporters are bitching about it b/c they realize that without some sort of results from FL, Hillary cannot win the election. Where was this bitching earlier in the cycle? Why did Hillary sign a pledge not to participate in either state's campaign, say that they 'didn't matter' if she truly felt this way?

Opportunistic BS is all this is. It doesn't look like there's going to be a revote in FL, and most nobody cares about it 'cept the Clinton camp.

Cycloptichorn



The only thing about these responses that are bullscrap are your p*ss poor excusese for your guy who is a sneaky cheat at best. Yeah, & I bet you believe that he atttended that Church for 20 years and never heard that racist pastor preach his vile!

And Yeah you probably believe in the Easter bunny too.

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nappyheadedhohoho
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 12:39 pm
TNR's Noam Scheiber on the Obama/Rev.Wright boondoggle:

Quote:
Whether or not this explanation does the trick depends on two things, I guess:

1.) Most obviously, whether Obama has really never heard Wright preach this kind of stuff. If Obama is somehow placed at a sermon in which Wright went on one of his rants, it's going to be a disaster. (Then again, it would have been a disaster without or without his HuffPo statement.)

2.) How plausible it is that Obama wouldn't have known about Wright's, er, greatest hits. Obama strongly implies he didn't know his pastor had a habit of giving nutty sermons up until the outset of his presidential campaign. Is that believable? Is there any way to disprove it? If the answers are "yes" and "no" respectively, then he'll weather this. If not, it could get uncomfortable.

Update [7:10 PM]: The more I think about it, the more I think Obama needs to go further. Part of the problem is we'll never be able to answer that first question strongly in the affirmative. Even if true, a lot of people are going to wonder how Obama could have missed this stuff during all his years of going to church.

More importantly, there's just too large an asymmetry between Obama's cool-headed explanation and the visceral power of those Wright videos. Fairly or not, it's the visual of Wright that will linger. I think Obama needs a more striking gesture of his own. Like announcing that he's removing Wright from his (largely honorary) position in the campaign, maybe giving a high-profile speech about his faith.

Update [8:10]: Wright has been dismissed from the campaign's spiritual advisory board.

--Noam Scheiber

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/03/14/obama-on-the-reverend-wright-controversy.aspx
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Magginkat
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 12:41 pm
Re: say huh?
ehBeth wrote:
nimh wrote:
Interesting that you should take Magginkat's word for this.


I didn't - I looked it up - as you'd see by the link in my post. Obama's Florida ads were well-covered in the Florida media at the time.

The number of ads, pffft, don't care - that Obama did run ads in Florida - that IS interesting.

Cable companies replace U.S. ads with Canadian ads in their programming all the time - it's been that way for decades. The same program runs - they just replace some ads. It's no big deal.

Cable companies substitute ads in specific markets all the time - there are black-outs on products/games locally - one in,one out - it's quite easy to do - if you want to/need to.

When I did my marketing (advertising specialty) program in the 1980's, we were already learning how to block t.v. ads for specific markets. The U.S. can't be that far behind.



You're darn tooting he ran the ads. The upper part of Florida was bombarded with them, in part I suspect because of the larger black population there and also because it's just across the state line from Alabama. They continued to run these ads in Florida right through the Alabama Primary. I don't care if Cyclops believes it or not. I know what I saw with my own eyes.

All he has to do is check with good old Obama's advertising gang to see for himself but then he doesn't want to do that because it would prove what a fraud he is.
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 12:44 pm
Re: say huh?
Magginkat wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
nimh wrote:
Interesting that you should take Magginkat's word for this.


I didn't - I looked it up - as you'd see by the link in my post. Obama's Florida ads were well-covered in the Florida media at the time.

The number of ads, pffft, don't care - that Obama did run ads in Florida - that IS interesting.

Cable companies replace U.S. ads with Canadian ads in their programming all the time - it's been that way for decades. The same program runs - they just replace some ads. It's no big deal.

Cable companies substitute ads in specific markets all the time - there are black-outs on products/games locally - one in,one out - it's quite easy to do - if you want to/need to.

When I did my marketing (advertising specialty) program in the 1980's, we were already learning how to block t.v. ads for specific markets. The U.S. can't be that far behind.



You're darn tooting he ran the ads. The upper part of Florida was bombarded with them, in part I suspect because of the larger black population there and also because it's just across the state line from Alabama. They continued to run these ads in Florida right through the Alabama Primary. I don't care if Cyclops believes it or not. I know what I saw with my own eyes.

All he has to do is check with good old Obama's advertising gang to see for himself but then he doesn't want to do that because it would prove what a fraud he is.


If he ran ads in Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia, its quite likely those in the panhandle saw them, even if they werent run in Fl.
Some of the bigger stations in Alabama and Mississippi do get picked up in Florida, just like our TV stations here in Ky come out of Evansville IN.
So if Obama ran ads in The neighboring states, its possible for them to be seen in Fl.
That does not mean that he ran the ads in Fl.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 12:48 pm
Re: say huh?
mysteryman wrote:
That does not mean that he ran the ads in Fl.


His own campaign admits he ran ads in Florida (see my link from 3 or 4 pages back).
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 12:49 pm
Re: say huh?
ehBeth wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
That does not mean that he ran the ads in Fl.


His own campaign admits he ran ads in Florida (see my link from 3 or 4 pages back).


I am not saying he didnt.
I am just explaining how its possible for ads run in other states to be seen in Fl.
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High Seas
 
  1  
Sat 15 Mar, 2008 01:27 pm
Can anyone here tell me whether the speeches by Rev. Wright are in any way untypical in black churches?

I know I've heard any number of very similar speeches by assorted other black persons addressed as "Reverend" though not necessarily affiliated with any church or congregation.

And I've heard lots of "fire and brimstone" and "repent sinners, the end of the world is nigh" type sermons from white pastors, some of them actually with vast evangelical congregations.

I didn't pay much attention to any of them, though I do go to a church most Sundays, but I'm puzzled: if Obama chose to attend a black church, and/or an evangelical church, how can he be criticized for sitting through what seems to be their standard fare?
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