okie
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 02:33 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
John Carlson has it wrong; the reason is very simple to determine. Hillary continues to shoot herself in the foot, and more people will see that she's a loose canon who's only goal is power.

Hillary represents the "old" guard, and Obama's message of change increases in popularity as we continue to see Washington destroy our country.

Much of what Carlson says agrees with many many people, including what I have posted here. Yes, Clinton continues to shoot herself in the foot, but that doesn't mean Obama is not very, very vulnerable, when the scrutiny becomes closer. I think the Dems and the press pushed a man that was a virtual unknown, based on what, that he could give a speech at the DNC! Thats basically it, zero, natta. Now, you will have to live with the record and ability of the two candidates you have left. I am glad your party isn't mine, thats all I gotta say, ci.

Change, big deal, change to what? Now that everybody is clamoring for change, and they have found a guy that promises to do it, perhaps we now can examine the details of it. Bring it on.
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McGentrix
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 02:36 pm
I like Obama, but his policies scare me. He is far too liberal for my tatstes.
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okie
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 02:40 pm
Hannity and Rush are beginning to pound on Obama's pastor and advisor. Scary stuff that guy spews. Troubling to say the least. We have been aware of this guy for a long time, but seriously, what is it with this Jeremiah Wright and Obama anyway? I am beginning to think Obama may be a very conflicted man, and perhaps has not said all that he may believe. His wife has let a few things slip, to his detriment. What else are they not saying?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 02:46 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Certainly someone who believes so much in the audacity of hope wouldn't welsh...


"Yes we can!" might cover a multitude of sins.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 02:51 pm
okie wrote:
Hannity and Rush are beginning to pound on Obama's pastor and advisor. Scary stuff that guy spews. Troubling to say the least. We have been aware of this guy for a long time, but seriously, what is it with this Jeremiah Wright and Obama anyway? I am beginning to think Obama may be a very conflicted man, and perhaps has not said all that he may believe. His wife has let a few things slip, to his detriment. What else are they not saying?


I read someplace that the Feds are checking into Obama's church re violating the non-political requirement for non-profit status. In other words, the pastor may be doing too much politicking from the pulpit. In some of the sermon clips you hear things like Hillary Clinton can't ever be as effective a president because she's never been called the "n" word and "It's not God bless America, but God d*@* America for the evil nation that it is, yadda yadda". And this after giving ovations to Farrakhan.

If this continues Obama is probably going to have to deal with it sooner or later since he is on the record as being an active member of this congregation and attending as often as he can.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:14 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Certainly someone who believes so much in the audacity of hope wouldn't welsh...


"Yes we can!" might cover a multitude of sins.


Actually I would vote for Obama if "yes we can" was the answer to my questions:

1) Can we bring the war in Iraq to a close with honor and without leaving the area in chaos? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

2) Can we secure our borders and secure a reasonable solution to the illegal immigration problem that does not include amnesty and encouragement for more illegal immigration? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

3) Can we reduce the bloat in government, return non essential programs to the states, and allow the people to keep, save, and invest as much of their earnings and property as possible? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

4) Can we build on and improve national defense and security so that only fools would presume to challenge us? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

These are just some of the areas in which I keep listening for a 'yes we can", but so far there is mostly silence.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:18 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

This race is not going to be decided, at least, until the FL and MI delegates are resolved (Remember our bet Cyclo), and probably not until the convention.


Hmm, was our bet that they would not matter, or that they would not matter as currently voted?

Doesn't matter either way; a re-vote isn't as likely to happen as you think. It would have to be approved by the DOJ before going forward, and there are a lot of legal issues to take into account. I wouldn't bet on a revote happening just yet.

Cycloptichorn


Our bet was whether or not the matter would be decided before the issue was resolved. You advanced the notion that the issue was moot because the nomination would be decided without any need to address it.

I hope you're not trying to wriggle free of the wager.


No, that's still my position. Given the likelihood of a re-vote in FL being slim, I still think that that is the outcome with the highest probability.

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:21 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
4) Can we build on and improve national defense and security so that only fools would presume to challenge us?


To me, it seems as if you're already number one in the world when it comes to national defense and security. And that only fools presume to challenge America.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:27 pm
old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
4) Can we build on and improve national defense and security so that only fools would presume to challenge us?


To me, it seems as if you're already number one in the world when it comes to national defense and security. And that only fools presume to challenge America.


Both Carter and Clinton severely cut into the defense budget though leaving it to Republican presidents who followed them to go through the heavy expense of rebuilding the forces to A-1 status. I would like to know that this wouldn't happen again if the Democrat is elected.
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:32 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
okie wrote:
Hannity and Rush are beginning to pound on Obama's pastor and advisor. Scary stuff that guy spews. Troubling to say the least. We have been aware of this guy for a long time, but seriously, what is it with this Jeremiah Wright and Obama anyway? I am beginning to think Obama may be a very conflicted man, and perhaps has not said all that he may believe. His wife has let a few things slip, to his detriment. What else are they not saying?


I read someplace that the Feds are checking into Obama's church re violating the non-political requirement for non-profit status. In other words, the pastor may be doing too much politicking from the pulpit. In some of the sermon clips you hear things like Hillary Clinton can't ever be as effective a president because she's never been called the "n" word and "It's not God bless America, but God d*@* America for the evil nation that it is, yadda yadda". And this after giving ovations to Farrakhan.

If this continues Obama is probably going to have to deal with it sooner or later since he is on the record as being an active member of this congregation and attending as often as he can.


Dangerous business, this preacher focus...

Aside from John Hagee and the Great Vaticaan Whore, there's stuff like this too...

Quote:
Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it...

In a chapter [of his book] titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:

Quote:
I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:32 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
okie wrote:
Hannity and Rush are beginning to pound on Obama's pastor and advisor. Scary stuff that guy spews. Troubling to say the least. We have been aware of this guy for a long time, but seriously, what is it with this Jeremiah Wright and Obama anyway? I am beginning to think Obama may be a very conflicted man, and perhaps has not said all that he may believe. His wife has let a few things slip, to his detriment. What else are they not saying?


I read someplace that the Feds are checking into Obama's church re violating the non-political requirement for non-profit status. In other words, the pastor may be doing too much politicking from the pulpit. In some of the sermon clips you hear things like Hillary Clinton can't ever be as effective a president because she's never been called the "n" word and "It's not God bless America, but God d*@* America for the evil nation that it is, yadda yadda". And this after giving ovations to Farrakhan.

If this continues Obama is probably going to have to deal with it sooner or later since he is on the record as being an active member of this congregation and attending as often as he can.


I've probably not seen a fully rounded profile of Wright, but based on what I have seen and heard, I have to seriously question whether or not this man meets the requirments and qualifications of a Christian pastor --- as I understand them to be.

I may be a prude but the thought of a Christian pastor telling his flock that Bill Clinton did to us (African-Americans) what he did to Monica Lewinsky, is sort of jarring.

I'm no longer a Christian, but I can't imagine, for a second, the pastor of my childhood talking to the congregation in this way.

I guess I'm just not hip enough.

From what I've seen, Wright is more of a political activist than a Christian spiritual leader. The former is fine, and if his congregation is good with politics over salvation, far be it from me to tell them how they should practice their religion.

I don't think though that there is anything wrong with factoring Obama's membership in a church that "seems" to be more concerned with temporal politics than the eternal spirit, in my estimation of him.

I may not have enough info on Wright and his church, but he sure is supplying enough fodder for people to wonder what the hell is up.
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old europe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:35 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Both Carter and Clinton severely cut into the defense budget though leaving it to Republican presidents who followed them to go through the heavy expense of rebuilding the forces to A-1 status.


Wasn't it President George H.W. Bush who started making deep cuts in defense budgets - years before Clinton took office?


edit:

http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/2007.07.05%20Mitt%20Missteps/Defense_Spending_Constant_Dollars(1).gif

source
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maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:37 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
4) Can we build on and improve national defense and security so that only fools would presume to challenge us?


To me, it seems as if you're already number one in the world when it comes to national defense and security. And that only fools presume to challenge America.


Both Carter and Clinton severely cut into the defense budget though leaving it to Republican presidents who followed them to go through the heavy expense of rebuilding the forces to A-1 status. I would like to know that this wouldn't happen again if the Democrat is elected.


I don't know about Carter, but I don't believe that this claim really applies to Clinton. After all, it was the 1st Bush who really started to cut the military.....from what I've seen it was pretty stable under Clinton, and has remained pretty stable under the 2nd Bush.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:38 pm
blatham wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
okie wrote:
Hannity and Rush are beginning to pound on Obama's pastor and advisor. Scary stuff that guy spews. Troubling to say the least. We have been aware of this guy for a long time, but seriously, what is it with this Jeremiah Wright and Obama anyway? I am beginning to think Obama may be a very conflicted man, and perhaps has not said all that he may believe. His wife has let a few things slip, to his detriment. What else are they not saying?


I read someplace that the Feds are checking into Obama's church re violating the non-political requirement for non-profit status. In other words, the pastor may be doing too much politicking from the pulpit. In some of the sermon clips you hear things like Hillary Clinton can't ever be as effective a president because she's never been called the "n" word and "It's not God bless America, but God d*@* America for the evil nation that it is, yadda yadda". And this after giving ovations to Farrakhan.

If this continues Obama is probably going to have to deal with it sooner or later since he is on the record as being an active member of this congregation and attending as often as he can.


Dangerous business, this preacher focus...

Aside from John Hagee and the Great Vaticaan Whore, there's stuff like this too...

Quote:
Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it...

In a chapter [of his book] titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:

Quote:
I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html


Well, that puts to rest any concerns anyone might have about the Obama-Wright connection.

You deserve a "Yes We Can" merit badge.
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:41 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:
The beginning of the end for the Obama campaign

By John Carlson
Special to The Times

... excitement is closely tied to momentum and the Obama campaign is losing both. The affection for him is genuine, but it's less a long-term romance than a crush. And everyone knows that crushes either crash or fade. ...

... Obama's losses in both Texas and Ohio underscore why time is not on his side. ...

... When they did that, Obama began to fade. Like a hit record that's been on the charts for a while, they still smile when it plays but they're getting used to hearing it. In Ohio, a must-win state for the Democrats in November, people began to tire of it. ...

Oh my God! Obama is doomed! He is losing momentum. Like a crush, he is bound to crash or fade. Time is not on his side. He's beginning to fade. People are tiring of him.

What a bold prediction of John Carlson! I mean, that's quite the assertion, considering the guy is ahead in delegates, the popular vote, and the number of states he won, and he's just won two more. But you've got to admire a guy who is so sure of his counterintuitive assertion, that he'll extend it, in breathless tones, the length of an entire column.

Should we Obama supporters panic?

Well, um, wait - I forgot to read the very last two sentences:

Quote:
The senator has built up a huge wave of momentum and he is still the odds-on favorite to get the nomination. But even as he surfs, the wave is beginning to crest.

Rriiiiggghhtt...

So, the guy breathlessly waves his incense, spreading a speculative, padded mist of assertions of Obama's demise -- and then in the very last sentence chickens out, and quickly adds on a disclaimer that, well, the guy is still "the odds-on favorite", and surfing.

So he's not just a bloviator, but a cowardly one at that.
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:51 pm
old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Both Carter and Clinton severely cut into the defense budget though leaving it to Republican presidents who followed them to go through the heavy expense of rebuilding the forces to A-1 status.


Wasn't it President George H.W. Bush who started making deep cuts in defense budgets - years before Clinton took office?


edit:

http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/2007.07.05%20Mitt%20Missteps/Defense_Spending_Constant_Dollars(1).gif

source


This is in answer to Maporsche too. . . . .

Defense spending and defense budgets are two separate things. Remember that Clinton was actively engaged in various military excursion during his terms of office - Somalia, Haiti, Kosovo, policing (and bombing Iraq and various other ME countries, etc.) but upgrading the military was not a high priority for him. Had he not had a GOP controlled Congress, his budgets would have been devastating:

Quote:
Clinton's Defense Budget Falls Far Short," March 15, 1994.

"We must not cut defense further." This quote is from the State of the Union Address President Clinton gave a little over a year ago. Yet on February 6, the President submitted his fiscal year 1996-2000 budget proposal, which indeed cuts defense further. His new proposal would reduce defense spending by 5.3 per- cent in FY 1996 and an additional 4.1 percent in FY 1997. In fact, the Clinton proposal for the entire five- year period would slash the defense budget by 0%an I over $140 billion (in budget authority) from the Average Military Pay Will Dechne Under the Clinton Budget Congressional Budget Office's January 1995 baseline, which is the standard against which $3%WD Merage Pq Per Sol6er (1995 Wan)- Congress votes to increase or decrease federal spending. The problem is actually worse than these 25.M budget figures suggest. The amount the Clinton Administration has budgeted for defense is not enough to fully fund the Administration's own defense program. In fact, because of the Admini- XWO - stration's unwillingness to acknowledge the cost 1995- 1996 1997 19" 1"9 2000 of its program, the Clinton defense budget will FI=W Yew fall short by $110 billion from 1996 to 2000. This '1)h-txft- --ed pay --g --@/ -.vV p-nnd. shortfall will have a devastating effect on combat -RdeM the fizW 1995 reWeMd levd. readiness, the morale of U.S. troops, and the quality and effectiveness of American arms. The specific ef- fects of this shortfall will be to: X Lower troop morale and hamper recruitment. Under the Clinton plan, military pay will not keep up with inflation. Previous Clinton Administration defense budgets have not accounted fully for the effects of inflation, and this new budget is no exception. . . .

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/bu242.cfm

The decimation under Carter was awesome.
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:54 pm
nimh wrote:
Rriiiiggghhtt...

So, the guy breathlessly waves his incense, spreading a speculative, padded mist of assertions of Obama's demise -- and then in the very last sentence chickens out, and quickly adds on a disclaimer that, well, the guy is still "the odds-on favorite", and surfing.

So he's not just a bloviator, but a cowardly one at that.

Piqued my interest though. Made me curious who got to publish such a piece of hot air in a regular newspaper like that. Who is this John Carlson?

Wikipedia to the rescue:

Quote:
John Carlson (born June 3, 1959) is a popular American conservative talk radio host ...

His show formerly aired during the afternoon drive time. ... As of November 12, 2007, the show has been moved back to the 3-6 p.m. afternoon [slot] ...

He worked as the Communications Director for the state Republican Party under Jennifer Dunn ...

In 2000 he ran against former Governor of Washington Gary Locke and lost. ...

In 1998, ... Initiative 200, which attempted to prohibit affirmative action ... was soon handed over to Carlson, who took over. The initiative received enough signatures to earn a place on the ballot, and in November of 1998, voters approved it. ...

He unsuccessfully promoted a citizen's initiative in 2005 to roll back a nine-cent-per-gallon gasoline tax passed by the State Legislature.


So, a talk radio windbag cum former Republican Party hack cum populist hardass, whose star has waned. Well that explains that then.

Where would we be without Nappyheadedhohoho's continuing feed of insightful, reflective and fact-checked analyses?
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old europe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:55 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Defense spending and defense budgets


Yes? Explain.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:55 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Certainly someone who believes so much in the audacity of hope wouldn't welsh...


"Yes we can!" might cover a multitude of sins.


Actually I would vote for Obama if "yes we can" was the answer to my questions:

1) Can we bring the war in Iraq to a close with honor and without leaving the area in chaos? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

2) Can we secure our borders and secure a reasonable solution to the illegal immigration problem that does not include amnesty and encouragement for more illegal immigration? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

3) Can we reduce the bloat in government, return non essential programs to the states, and allow the people to keep, save, and invest as much of their earnings and property as possible? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

4) Can we build on and improve national defense and security so that only fools would presume to challenge us? Wished for answer: Yes we can.

These are just some of the areas in which I keep listening for a 'yes we can", but so far there is mostly silence.


That's because he's not a Republican.

The majority of the country disagrees with your positions, btw. 'cept for Iraq. I think everyone wants that; but it isn't going to be a possibility, thanks to the moronic management of the current group in charge.

Cycloptichorn
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blueflame1
 
  1  
Thu 13 Mar, 2008 03:56 pm
The audacity of Jeremiah Wright to tell American history like it is and during a political campaign no less. We're supposed to pretend we have the moral high ground even as we commit war crimes in Iraq and bring racism into a Democratic primary. If change is ever to happen it'll begin by telling the truth about American history in no uncertain terms. Jeremiah Wright's comment today reminded me of Muhammad Ali who said, " Ain't no Vietcong ever called me ni**er". A true perspective.
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