cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 12:47 pm
Politics is always full of irony; only the other side seems to notice.
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High Seas
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 12:47 pm
McTag wrote:
High Seas, from the viewpoint of a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, who would you prefer to see up against Mr McCain?


We're praying for Mrs Clinton to be their nominee - half the people in this country have already said they'll never vote for her - and, of course, praying for her to lose.

There is, however, this tiny chance that she might - through hook and crook, murder, theft, conspiracies, extortion, lies and suchlike Clintonian activities - might, actually make it, though....so our party is split, with some figuring that it can't be right to foist her onto an unsuspecting nation, even with a miniscule risk of that happening.

On a McCain vs Obama matchup, it depends on how the "3 Trillion Dollar War" (viz. book by that title) has been going by Election Day; most of us can live with a President Obama, though, as well as a President McCain.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 12:52 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
This article was published on 3/7 ... well after the Canada-Nafta slur was disproven... yet this article insists on repeating it.


Did you miss that the story is back on?

Harper's office reports it was Obama's camp.

Quote:
Clinton camp never briefed Ottawa, official says

CAMPBELL CLARK

With a report from The Canadian Press

March 8, 2008

OTTAWA -- The campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never briefed Canadian officials on its position on NAFTA, unlike the team of rival Barack Obama, according to a spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Mr. Obama's campaign has been hurt by leaks that indicated that his senior economic adviser gave Canadian diplomats a back-channel reassurance that his call for renegotiating the North American free-trade agreement was more political positioning than a real policy plan.

But the revelation that the initial leak to reporters from Mr. Harper's top aide, Ian Brodie, was that Ms. Clinton's campaign reassured Canadian diplomats that it was not serious about revamping NAFTA has led to questions about whether both Democratic campaigns had privately reassured Ottawa.

Mr. Harper's communications director, Sandra Buckler, said yesterday that Ms. Clinton's campaign did not brief Canadians on its NAFTA stand. "The answer is no, they did not," she said.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080308.NAFTA08/TPStory/National
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ebrown p
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:18 pm
Pro-Clinton propadanda is getting to be a big joke

ehBeth's linked article wrote:

In telling the Canucks to pay no attention to his boss' saber-rattling on NAFTA, Goolsbee was being candid and stating the plain truth: Nobody who knows Obama believes for a second that he is anything but a staunch free trader; they know that he has no intention of trashing the trade treaty.


There is no record the quote alleged from Goolsbee-- which was leaked with the express purpose of helping the Clinton campaign, was ever actually said by Goolsbee.

The claim that "nobody who knows Obama believes for a second he is anything but a staunch free trader"... would be laughable if it weren't so detestable.

This is another pro-Clinton hit piece.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:27 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
There is no record the quote alleged from Goolsbee-- which was leaked with the express purpose of helping the Clinton campaign, was ever actually said by Goolsbee.


You think the Canajun PM's office is pro-Clinton?

Now, that's laughable.

Those guys are Reform Party stalwarts. If they want anything from American politics, it's Ross Perot.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:35 pm
Quote:
Mr. Harper's communications director, Sandra Buckler, said yesterday that Ms. Clinton's campaign did not brief Canadians on its NAFTA stand. "The answer is no, they did not," she said.



Is that anything like "I did not have sexual relations with that woman?"

Maybe they didn't "brief" but was there a telephone call, email or other conversation?
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:41 pm
I'm not particularly interested in the details of who said what to whom in the Canadian government concerning their campaign rhetoric over NAFTA. More significant to me is the fact that both democrat candidates chose to pander to voters in Ohio over this issue in ways that directly contradict their previous statements and positions on free trade generally and NAFTA in particular.

I doubt seriously that either candidate would if elected choose to reopen negotiations over NAFTA -- the adverse consequences to all parties would be too great, and the action itself would be an obvious retrograde economic step. What we have observed is instead cynical manipulation of public concerns for selfish political ends.

Something to think about for those who assume we are encountering a "new" kind of politics or politician.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:50 pm
georgeob wrote: What we have observed is instead cynical manipulation of public concerns for selfish political ends.


Politics is alive and well.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:53 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Harper's communications director, Sandra Buckler, said yesterday that Ms. Clinton's campaign did not brief Canadians on its NAFTA stand. "The answer is no, they did not," she said.



Is that anything like "I did not have sexual relations with that woman?"

Maybe they didn't "brief" but was there a telephone call, email or other conversation?


I don't think you get how much Harper's group dislikes Clinton (and Obama).

If they could say something that would cause her difficulties (and get themselves more coverage), they would.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 01:54 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Something to think about for those who assume we are encountering a "new" kind of politics or politician.


A full 5 stars for this one, georgeob1.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:07 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Quote:
Mr. Harper's communications director, Sandra Buckler, said yesterday that Ms. Clinton's campaign did not brief Canadians on its NAFTA stand. "The answer is no, they did not," she said.



Is that anything like "I did not have sexual relations with that woman?"

Maybe they didn't "brief" but was there a telephone call, email or other conversation?


does I did not have sex with that woman pertain in any way to Hillary? Or is that a long gone bill thing?
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Ethel2
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:10 pm
ehBeth wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Something to think about for those who assume we are encountering a "new" kind of politics or politician.


A full 5 stars for this one, georgeob1.


I agree wholeheartedly.......a "new" kind of politics.......sure.

c.i. Your link doesn't work. Can you do it again? Thanks

Bear,

It's amazing how anti-Bill has become mingled and confused with anti-Hillary. What do you suppose that is about?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:11 pm
Lola, That's not a URL link; sorry about the blue.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:11 pm
sorta for George, and sorta for everyone

http://nymag.com/images/2/news/08/01/week2/hillaryrudy/080110electapedia_header560.gif


(click the pic for the link)
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:33 pm
ehBeth wrote:
sorta for George, and sorta for everyone


Thanks for the link ehBeth -- interesting.

Damn - positive feedback from both ehBeth and Lola! Am I doing something wrong?
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revel
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:34 pm
Obama leads Clinton in Wyoming caucuses

Quote:
Obama led 58 percent, or 2,332 votes, to Clinton's 41 percent, or 1,642 votes, with 13 of 23 counties reporting.

Obama generally has outperformed Clinton in caucuses, which reward organization and voter passion more than do primaries. The Illinois senator has won 12 caucuses to Clinton's three.

But Clinton threw some effort into Wyoming, perhaps hoping for an upset that would yield few delegates but considerable buzz and momentum. The New York senator campaigned Friday in Cheyenne and Casper. Former President Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea, also campaigned this week in the sprawling and lightly populated state.


On the NAFTA issue; to be fair; I think both of their voting records are similar. However; I disagree with George on whether we should end it or not. I don't see how we (workers as opposed to owners of big companies) have benefited from NAFTA; in fact I think workers have suffered. I hope they do (who ever gets the president) or even congress does something about it.

However; the story of Obama and the whole Harper thing is of course complicated with Hillary saying some things which turn out to be false and misrepresenting others.

Did Clinton Win Ohio on a Lie?
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georgeob1
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:39 pm
Some workers have suffered, far more have benefitted - and all pay lower prices for the things they consume. Far better to facilitate the economic growth of our neighbor, Mexico through free and fair trade than to suffer the consequences of an enormous economic disparity across the border.

Economic protectionism leads only to high prices; low incentives for innovation & quality; and stagnation for all.
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Ethel2
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:40 pm
ehBeth wrote:
sorta for George, and sorta for everyone

http://nymag.com/images/2/news/08/01/week2/hillaryrudy/080110electapedia_header560.gif


(click the pic for the link)


This site is great, Beth. thanks
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Ethel2
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 02:52 pm
Interesting:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html



Quote:
American voters are not the only ones taking a closer look at the field of contenders for the presidency. In the wake of Hillary Clinton's primary wins Tuesday night, the European press is alight with fresh speculation. Here's a brief look at what's being said about the Democratic candidates in some of Europe.
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revel
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2008 03:04 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Some workers have suffered, far more have benefitted - and all pay lower prices for the things they consume. Far better to facilitate the economic growth of our neighbor, Mexico through free and fair trade than to suffer the consequences of an enormous economic disparity across the border.

Economic protectionism leads only to high prices; low incentives for innovation & quality; and stagnation for all.


How have workers benefited from their jobs going over seas? If you don't have a job it don't matter how low wal-mart puts their prices. Prices are rising in any event. Plus; with recent recalls; I just think we should have more home factories with our own workers working them. I am not saying we should do away with trading all together but neither does it have to be all the other way as it is now.
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