Ticomaya
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:07 pm
spendius wrote:
Anybody who needs proof that it doesn't matter a shite who becomes President should study what has been posted on this thread since I left for the pub a bit back. Carefully.


Wait ... at what point did you leave for the pub, spendi?
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blatham
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:11 pm
Right wing radio host and Fox regular, Laura Ingraham. This is a must-listen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWU4cZtOQ6M&eurl=http://www.crooksandliars.com/
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:12 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Roxxxanne, seriously, "nimh" and "political neophyte" don't belong in the same sentence. (Unless the sentence is "I pity the political neophyte who tangles with nimh...")

Butrflynet, cool about stuff happening in Wyoming, thanks for the pointers.

Meanwhile, this heightened attack mode thing makes me nervous. I get it -- show that he can fight back, etc. But it's dangerous.



Everything is relative. You weren't even aware of what is going on in Pennsylvania with Ed Rendell. To someone who has been involved in AMERICAN political campaigns for forty years and THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, nimh is a neophyte.


I suppose "neophyte" in this context means one who is inexperienced and relatively ignorant. Everyone is ignorant of many things in this world, including some aspects of subjects they otherwise know very well. I don't think that any of the posters here can claim to know EVERYTHING about Obama, Democrat party politics or any of the stuff being explored here. My iimpression in general is that no one is as limited by his/her ignorance as those who will not see or acknowledge it; and no one is as able to learn as those who value curiosity over pretense and willingly acknowledge what they don't know. I think that Nimh does far better by this standard than does his critic here.

In Texas one becomes a Democrat, eligible to vote and caucus in their primaries, merely by choosing to do so. Other states have different rules. Claims of exclusivity to "members" are generally meaningless - even when accompanied by crude epithets.

Not all experience has the same value. Forty years experience in biannual political campaigns at the local level is really just three months' experience twenty times. If one doesn't understand this, then his/her claim to expertise is, at best, suspect.
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real life
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:19 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
latest on texas

Daily Kos

Still counting votes in Texas
by kos
Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:28:13 PM PST

Texas.

Caucuses

Obama 56
Clinton 44

It's looking more and more like Obama will officially win Texas.

Obama could pick up a net gain of three delegates, after all the dust settles.

Here's how Dem officials say that's possible:

Clinton won the popular vote, and could pick up as many as four delegates from that.

Obama appears to be winning the caucus voting on delegates, and could pick up as many as seven delegates there.

If that holds true, Obama would end up with three more Texas delegates than Clinton.




Meanwhile, the Republicans are hoping we fight it out til the convention as that is the only way we would win.


quite the contrary

the best chance Dems have is a deadlocked convention that pulls a compromise candidate forward to unite the feuding Obama/Clinton folks.

I don't wish to see that happen, but an honest assessment should show anyone that it is a strong possibility.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:25 pm
I read all of nimh's posts, because he brings highlights of our politics that others seem to miss or are unable to take the time to study what's available. I've come to respect his insights on American politics; and I dare say, he has more knowledge than perhaps the majority of so-called American citizens.

He need not apologize to anyone for his opinions; that's what we're all here doing on a2k.

When nimh makes a mistake, he admits it. His credibility shouldn't even be in question. I for one want him to continue on sharing his insights and polls that provides us with a somewhat liberal bias. I want a small, non-intrusive, government too, but you wouldn't know it by George Bush's conservatism. It's hard to understand what goes on for the majority of us, because there are so many nuances to why things happen the way they do. nimh has the skills to summarize it in a way that I can understand.

Let the show go on.
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Ticomaya
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:29 pm
blatham wrote:
Right wing radio host and Fox regular, Laura Ingraham. This is a must-listen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWU4cZtOQ6M&eurl=http://www.crooksandliars.com/


What earth-shattering insight were we supposed to glean?

"She's a big, stinky, long-haired liberal." Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:30 pm
BTW, can't someone come up with a good adjective that starts with the letter "E"?
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nimh
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:33 pm
Thank you, George and c.i.
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mysteryman
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:36 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Again, Republicans should stay the f*** out of our business.


I'm not a dem, but I have said on here that I do support Obama over Hillary.
So tell me, am I not allowed to vote for Obama or have any type of opinion about him?
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ossobuco
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:45 pm
Well, I'll immediately say I read.check what you have to say, mysteryman.

I doubt you are considering not posting, but I'll back that up. (who cares? well, I do). I probably disagree more than not, but I pay attention.
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eoe
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 10:56 pm
you guys are off the chain.
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Ticomaya
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 11:07 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Yeah well You really don't know ANYTHING my background in politics.
I'm content to judge you by what you post. Your opinion of Nimh, alone, is sufficient to demonstrate your obvious incoherence. You are likely the only member of A2K who thinks you're more knowledgeable than Nimh. Seriously. Boldly denouncing one of A2K's most politically aware members makes you look even more ridiculous than usual.
(No small feat, that).


My guess is she's off the wagon and suckin back a bunch of grandpa's cough medicine.
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Foxfyre
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 12:50 am
Ticomaya wrote:
BTW, can't someone come up with a good adjective that starts with the letter "E"?


Egghead?
Egomaniac?
Eccentric?
Excessive?
Egalitarian?
Effervescent?
Excellent?
Elderly?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 04:10 am
nimh wrote:
Meanwhile, for a lighter-spirited intermezzo (cos I think we need some :wink: ):

Obama thanks namesake Japanese town

Sweet Smile
Obama is described as a fishing village in central japan.
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spendius
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 05:18 am
Tico wrote-

Quote:
BTW, can't someone come up with a good adjective that starts with the letter "E"?


Ectoplasmic. Echolalious.
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Butrflynet
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:02 am
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/report_naftagate_leaker_said_h.php

Quote:
Report: NAFTA-Gate Leaker Said Hillary's People Were Reassuring Canada, Too
By Eric Kleefeld - March 5, 2008, 11:33PM

The NAFTA-Gate controversy has taken another turn, one that could potentially boomerang back on Hillary Clinton after initially damaging Barack Obama.

The Canadian Press ?- Canada's domestic equivalent of the AP ?- is reporting that the original source of the leak was Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper. And as it turns out, Brodie's original conversation with reporters focused much more on Hillary as the candidate whose people were reassuring Canada that the anti-trade rhetoric was all just campaign talk.

"He said someone from Clinton's campaign is telling the Embassy to take it with a grain of salt," said one participant in the conversation. The source added, "someone called us and told us not to worry."

Hillary's people were able to use NAFTA-Gate very effectively in questioning Obama's honesty in the Ohio and Texas campaigns, ultimately pulling off some decent wins. But if this thing doesn't die down, and the focus turns from Obama over to Hillary, they could very well see the story come back to bite them.
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Butrflynet
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 07:16 am
Really good article from Rolling Stone (yes, our "rock star" made the cover of Rolling Stone Razz ) It's a long one, lays out how the grassroots groups organized themselves into a campaign for Obama.

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/6/1/3/6/19106316.jpg

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/19106326
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Steve 41oo
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 08:32 am
I cant help but think this is sensible advice

Quote:
Keep ?'Israel' out of American Election Politics

For immediate Release:

Contact person: Rabbi Hersh Lowenthal

Representative Telephone: 1-888-560-9634

Website: TrueTorahJews.org

As the election draws nearer, political debates and rhetoric increase. True
Torah Jews are disturbed by the frequent references by politicians to the need
for involvement in Israeli politics. The politics and policies of the so-called
"state of Israel" should play no part in governing the United States or in our
upcoming elections. Rather, the focus should be on the needs of the American
people. Jews in the United States are United States citizens and are as
concerned with improving the lives of the American people as any other American
citizens. Our politicians should be addressing the many problems we are facing
here in the United States, not in the "state of Israel".

"We are American Jews, not Israelis. Like any other voters, Jewish voters will
vote for politicians whose policies they believe are right for America," said
Rabbi Hersh Lowenthal.

In an effort to bolster their popularity, politicians continually expound on
their support for the "state of Israel", thinking that this will sway the Jewish
vote. But on the contrary, dragging the problems in "Israel" into American
politics and constantly focusing on the Jews is counter-productive. It fuels
anti-Semitism, furthers conflicts, and creates a potential danger to Jews
worldwide.

This has been a basic norm of the Torah faith ever since the destruction of the
holy Temple in Jerusalem and the exile of the Jewish people some two thousand
years ago. The great Biblical prophet, Jeremiah, proclaimed G-d's message to all
of Diaspora Jewry: "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you
and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare."
(29:7). This message has been a cornerstone of Jewish conduct in exile
throughout history.

As Jews, we must be ever mindful of the needs of our Jewish brethren, wherever
they may live. But the belligerent attitude of the American Zionist groups only
endangers the welfare of Jews in the Holy Land as well as worldwide.
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spendius
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 09:26 am
Steve quoted-

Quote:
But the belligerent attitude of the American Zionist groups only
endangers the welfare of Jews in the Holy Land as well as worldwide.


If that is true then it must be the intention surely?
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blatham
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 09:31 am
Over at National Review, the patriots inquire whether Obama is conspiring with the FARC commies?

Quote:
The FARC Letter Mentioning Obama Gets a Bit More Attention

ABC News has a bit more on that FARC document that had a reference to "gringos" who were certain that Obama would be the next president, and that he would end U.S. aid to the Columbian government called "Plan Columbia."

References to U.S. diplomatic overtures are scintillating, if vague.

In a Dec. 11 message to the secretariat, Marquez writes: "If you are in agreement, I can receive Jim and Tucker to hear the proposal of the gringos."

The same message says an Italian referred to only as Consolo has told Marquez "the European Parliament wants to get involved in the prisoner exchange."

Writing two days before his death, Reyes tells his secretariat comrades that "the gringos," working through Ecuador's government, are interested "in talking to us on various issues."

"They say the new president of their country will be (Barack) Obama," noting that Obama rejects both the Bush administration's free trade agreement with Colombia and the current military aid program.

Reyes said the response he relayed is that the United States would have to publicly express that desire.

After wondering if I was nuts (or more than usual), or perhaps taking a document translation too seriously, the story is starting to get some attention around the blogosphere - John at Powerline, LGF, the editors of Foreign Policy magazine, Gateway Pundit, Jawa Report.


John wants some reporter to ask Obama, "whether his staff has been engaging in diplomatic outreach to a Communist group bent on overthrowing a U.S. ally."

First, I'm not sure if we want that to be one of the eight questions we're allowed every time Obama lowers himself to this plane of existence for a press availability. Second, if they say "absolutely not," didn't they say the same thing about anyone affiliated with the campaign meeting with the Canadians?
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmI4ZGE0ODIxZjQ0NTIyYzQzNGY3ZTUwYmQxNWU2NjU=
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