Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:10 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Do you know who?



No Halperin On CNN just reported it.[/quote

And just as I predicted a couple pages ago, CNN is reporting that Obama is re-tooling his strategy. Obama is going to hit her hard and keep pounding her for her tax reports.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:11 pm
Ah ha! They just posted some info in the HQ blog about Wyoming and Mississipi.

Things are starting to move forward again. That's a relief...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGBLPZ

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGBLmL
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:12 pm
Quote:
Emerging from its bruising at the hands of Hillary Clinton's "kitchen sink" strategy, the Barack Obama campaign came out swinging Wednesday with sharp questions about what could be hiding in Hillary Clinton's unreleased tax returns.
raw story
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:14 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Ah ha! They just posted some info in the HQ blog about Wyoming and Mississipi.

Things are starting to move forward again. That's a relief...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGBLPZ

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGBLmL


And don't forget Obama can still win the delegate total in Texas. (hillary +1 as of last count I saw)
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:17 pm
Roxxxanne, seriously, "nimh" and "political neophyte" don't belong in the same sentence. (Unless the sentence is "I pity the political neophyte who tangles with nimh...")

Butrflynet, cool about stuff happening in Wyoming, thanks for the pointers.

Meanwhile, this heightened attack mode thing makes me nervous. I get it -- show that he can fight back, etc. But it's dangerous.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:18 pm
Georgia Democratic Party chairwoman Jane Kidd has endorsed Barack Obama for president, giving the Illinois senator another Georgia superdelegate vote.


...


Mirroring the unofficial results of the Democratic Presidential race in Montgomery County, Dayton Mayor Rhine McLin today announced her endorsement of Illinois Senator Barack Obama.


...


No others announced on the HQ blog today so far.
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nimh
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:21 pm
From another blogger, Josh Marshall, some thoughts about the path to the nomination.

Basically, he has advice for both sides here. For those crowing about a Hillary "comeback," there's the all-important reality check that's been posted here in various ways already: the overriding role of the math. Hillary's wins now are just too little, too late:

Quote:
Hillary takes three of four primaries, and the two big states. Yet the delegate spread didn't budge. The possibilities seem to range from a high-single digit pick up for Hillary to the possibility of a net pick up for Obama. So, big headlines and buzz for Hillary, but the same stubborn picture on the pledged delegate front.

Both sides are spinning like wild about what the different numbers mean. [..] But it's not going to be up to them. The super delegates are going to break for the winner of the primary/caucus process, as long as it's relatively clear. [..] And Obama's people are dead right when they say, he doesn't even have to do that well from here on out to end this with a substantial pledged delegate margin.

At the end of the day, the winner of the pledged delegate race has the strongest claim to the nomination.


But there's also a warning to Obama supporters who rely too strictly on the math. Yes, in the end the only thing that decides is how many delegates each candidate gets. Momentum doesnt put bread on the table, and doesnt get you a nomination. Having the numbers does, and Obama has a big lead.

But in the end it does come down to the superdelegates: Obama's lead is not big enough to avoid that. And very likely, those superdelegates will go for whoever has the lead in pledged delegates - and unless lightning strikes and the earth moves, that will be Obama. The superdelegates would need to break something like 3:1 to Hillary for her to win, someone posted here, and that's very unlikely. But not entirely impossible: consider the hypothetical scenario that Hillary goes on to win victory after victory from here on onward for a winning streak over months:

Quote:
But it's a strong claim, not incontestable.

Let's hypothesize for a moment a scenario in which March 4th broke the back of Obama's campaign. He emerges bloodied and doesn't seem to be able to stand up to Hillary's assault. His delegate margin is big enough that she can't catch up. But she runs through the next dozen or however many remaining contests there are making up steady ground on the pledged delegate front. I don't think a small margin of pledged delegates will be enough if Obama looks like a damaged candidate who seems unable to fight off a determined and ruthless opponent.

Just hanging on to the margin he banked in February won't be enough because fundamentally, if neither candidate has it locked by the convention, the super delegates will want to pick the candidate who looks like the general election winner and is the favorite of Democrats at the time of the convention, two qualifiers which are in practice two sides of the same coin.

I don't think the above is a likely scenario. In fact, I think it's quite unlikely. Almost everything remains stacked against Hillary. There's no denying that. But I think this does point to what this debate -- literal and meta -- will turn on over the next couple weeks.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:22 pm
sozobe wrote:
Roxxxanne, seriously, "nimh" and "political neophyte" don't belong in the same sentence. (Unless the sentence is "I pity the political neophyte who tangles with nimh...")
And as coincidence would have it; that appears to be precisely what happened here.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:23 pm
sozobe wrote:
Roxxxanne, seriously, "nimh" and "political neophyte" don't belong in the same sentence. (Unless the sentence is "I pity the political neophyte who tangles with nimh...")

Butrflynet, cool about stuff happening in Wyoming, thanks for the pointers.

Meanwhile, this heightened attack mode thing makes me nervous. I get it -- show that he can fight back, etc. But it's dangerous.



Everything is relative. You weren't even aware of what is going on in Pennsylvania with Ed Rendell. To someone who has been involved in AMERICAN political campaigns for forty years and THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, nimh is a neophyte.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:25 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Roxxxanne, seriously, "nimh" and "political neophyte" don't belong in the same sentence. (Unless the sentence is "I pity the political neophyte who tangles with nimh...")
And as coincidence would have it; that appears to be precisely what happened here.


Yeah well You really don't know ANYTHING my background in politics.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:26 pm
If nimh is a political neophyte, the term has no meaning.

Does this have to be zero-sum? Couldn't two (or even three! or FOUR!) people with political knowledge co-exist on a single forum?
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:26 pm
nimh wrote:
From another blogger, Josh Marshall, some thoughts about the path to the nomination.


Josh Micah Marshall you mean? Over at TPM I like him.

Anyway, this whole thing is unprecedented and a hundred different bloggers could spin this a hundred different ways.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:29 pm
Whooo, okay, Rox, chill out... all this anger is not productive.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:30 pm
Geez, nimh, if you leave out his middle name (which he does on his own blog -- JoshUA Micah Marshall on TPM, Josh Marshall on his blog), then CLEARLY you're a political neophyte!!!

Roxxxanne, I know you're frustrated and stuck in a hotel room and I sympathize, but moving on, please?


Looks like those final caucus tallies may not be coming anytime too soon:

Quote:
Readers have been asking about why the Texas caucus results from last night have been so slow coming in. As of this moment, only 39 percent of the caucus precincts are reporting.

Eric Kleefeld called down to Texas, and the Democratic Party tells him, in so many words, that the caucus reporting was voluntary.

Precincts were not required to report results to the state party, but they set up a voluntary reporting system so that the media would have results to report. Nice of them, no?

In their defense, Texas Dems didn't go the route of the Washington State GOP and make a wild-assed election night pronouncement of a winner based on incomplete returns. But at least in Washington State, they promised a final count, and as far as we know, they got one, eventually, one way or another.

But in Texas?

We're told not to expect too much more in the way of caucus returns. Sort of makes sense. If you were going to comply with the "voluntary program," you probably would have done so by now.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181717.php
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:31 pm
Here's the deal...

Roxxxane is stuck in a hotel room in Texas, pissed off about life as a roadie canvasser the day after a disappointing vote. She has no one to vent her frustration at so she's chosen to bless her fellow Obama supporters on A2K with her own version of the Clinton kitchen sink posture, regardless of the effect it has.


Have pity on her as she spouts off her laundry list of experience... she's having a "Hillary" moment. :wink:
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:33 pm
sozobe wrote:
Geez, nimh, if you leave out his middle name (which he does on his own blog -- JoshUA Micah Marshall on TPM, Josh Marshall on his blog), then CLEARLY you're a political neophyte!!!

Roxxxanne, I know you're frustrated and stuck in a hotel room and I sympathize, but moving on, please?


Looks like those final caucus tallies may not be coming anytime too soon:

Quote:
Readers have been asking about why the Texas caucus results from last night have been so slow coming in. As of this moment, only 39 percent of the caucus precincts are reporting.

Eric Kleefeld called down to Texas, and the Democratic Party tells him, in so many words, that the caucus reporting was voluntary.

Precincts were not required to report results to the state party, but they set up a voluntary reporting system so that the media would have results to report. Nice of them, no?

In their defense, Texas Dems didn't go the route of the Washington State GOP and make a wild-assed election night pronouncement of a winner based on incomplete returns. But at least in Washington State, they promised a final count, and as far as we know, they got one, eventually, one way or another.

But in Texas?

We're told not to expect too much more in the way of caucus returns. Sort of makes sense. If you were going to comply with the "voluntary program," you probably would have done so by now.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181717.php


Josh Marshall has a blog outside of TPM??@!!

Link plz!!

Cycloptichorn
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:34 pm
sozobe wrote:
If nimh is a political neophyte, the term has no meaning.

Does this have to be zero-sum? Couldn't two (or even three! or FOUR!) people with political knowledge co-exist on a single forum?


I really don't pay much attention to him I just see a lot of cut and pastes from people I never heard of that he seems to think are experts.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:37 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Here's the deal...

Roxxxane is stuck in a hotel room in Texas, pissed off about life as a roadie canvasser the day after a disappointing vote. She has no one to vent her frustration at so she's chosen to bless her fellow Obama supporters on A2K with her own version of the Clinton kitchen sink posture, regardless of the effect it has.


Have pity on her as she spouts off her laundry list of experience... she's having a "Hillary" moment. :wink:


A roadie canvasser? That is funny. What happens on this forum has no effect on anything, that is the first thing you need to learn.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:38 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:


Josh Marshall has a blog outside of TPM??@!!

Link plz!!

Cycloptichorn


No, sorry, that's not what I meant. I mean that at the top of the TPM home page it says "BLOG by Joshua Micah Marshall." Then he signs individual posts (diaries whatever) as "Josh Marshall." My minor point was just that he doesn't seem to ever be Josh Micah Marshall anyway, if some sort of esoteric knowledge was supposed to be on display (when there's a Micah, there's a Joshua). My major point was -- silliness! Can we move on?
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 07:42 pm
So pepple olpe don't want to talk about the important stuff, like tax return gate or Hillary's one delegate lead in Texas...or why effing Charlie Crist is trying to sabotage our primary process or the Canadian PM saying the memo link was unfair and maybe illegal or why the MSM is drooling over the possibility of fighting all the way to the election or the end of our Constitution as we know if we lose another SCOTUS justice...
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