Steve 41oo
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:58 pm
well obviously you do because that is a double negative.

Hey teacher leave them kids alone!


(What a depressing lyric)
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Steve 41oo
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:59 pm
you know i really wish people would stop posting inbetween my posts, its very rude
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echi
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:00 pm
sozobe wrote:
Thanks for the report, echi! Hey, it looks like Obama may get more delegates out of Texas when all is said and done than Hillary did. Thanks for your dedication -- caucusing at all plus sticking around after things dragged on and on.


My pleasure, soz!

The latest caucus numbers are 56 for Obama; 44 for Clinton, with 38% reporting. (CNN)
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:02 pm
OK.

Do you think that there are superdelegates who would like to support Hillary but are waiting for cover?

My impression is that it's the opposite. That the ones who personally, themselves, support Hillary said so long ago. I think the ones who are left either personally support Obama (and want to be reasonably sure he will be president before pissing off possible future president Clinton) or want to have influence.

The exit polls yesterday showed that people everywhere -- including those who supported Clinton -- preferred that superdelegates go with the front-runner in pledged delegates and popular vote. (Obama is leading in both.) (Can get that on request, saw it at First Read I think but I'm not sure.)
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:04 pm
Wow, caucus numbers are getting better.

I asked this on the polls thread -- what if Obama gets more delegates out of Texas than Hillary? Then who "won" Texas? Does only the primary count, and if so, why?
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sozobe
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:15 pm
maporsche wrote:
sozobe wrote:
That was their stated task, what they were saying as Obama racked up his 11 straight victories....


And I don't recall reading anything that said they thought they'd eliminate the delegate gap after March 4th.


This was kind of hard to find -- keywords don't get you anywhere in particular -- but I checked press releases on Hillary's site and found this, from February 13th, entitled "The Path to the Nomination":

Quote:
Change Begins March 4th. Hillary leads in the three largest, delegate rich states remaining: Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. These three states have 492 delegates - 64 percent of the remaining delegates Hillary Clinton needs to win the nomination. According to the latest polls, Hillary leads in Texas (IVR Jan 30-31), Pennsylvania (Franklin & Marshall Jan 8-14) and Ohio (Columbus Dispatch Jan 23-31). After March 4th, over 3000 delegates will be committed, and we project that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will be virtually tied with 611 delegates still to be chosen in Pennsylvania and other remaining states.


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5951

They're not virtually tied.
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echi
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:23 pm
Is there any website that shows which precincts have not yet reported (for the Texas caucus)?
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:28 pm
Try this, echi. It is the SOS website's data sheet.

http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136.htm
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:29 pm
Can Hillary win? VDH says "Yes, She Can!"

Quote:


IMO, when it comes to persuading superdelegates, Clinton will be much better at it than Obama.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:30 pm
Why?
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:30 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Try this, echi. It is the SOS website's data sheet.

http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136.htm


If that doesn't work for you, echi, try this AP/NPR breakdown by county/precinct:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2008/by_county/TX_Dem_0304.html?SITE=NPRELN&SECTION=POLITICS
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echi
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:31 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Try this, echi. It is the SOS website's data sheet.

http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136.htm


Thanks.
I'm checking it out.
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 04:24 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

IMO, when it comes to persuading superdelegates, Clinton will be much better at it than Obama.



Well, I am sure glad we have nappy headed slut on record as assuring the board that Hillary is better at persuasion. Of course, it all depends on the results of the upcoming primaries and caucuses but don't confuse slut with facts.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 04:46 pm
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/Clinton_Plan.jpg

I think that Obama will start hitting stuff like this a lot harder.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 04:51 pm
pure straw grasping horseshit
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 04:55 pm
They need to hire the guy who made that spoofed 1984 Apple ad of Hillary. He's much better at creating good videos.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 04:58 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
pure straw grasping horseshit


No more so then the NAFTA bullcrap or the sexism bullcrap that Hillary's campaign throws out.

There is no possible way that this happened by mistake; the image was clearly manipulated to make him look 'blacker.'

And, no amount of evidence would ever convince a hard-core Hillary partisan such as yourself that it's true, so you can keep your denunciations to yourself - they mean nothing to anyone here.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 05:00 pm
go to hell cyclo.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 05:00 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
go to hell cyclo.


Reported.

You've devolved into some sort of parody of your former self.

Cycloptichorn
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real life
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 05:06 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
I don't think we can automatically assume that Michigan and Florida are out of play either. If one or both states actively pursues legal recourse to be seated at the convention, I don't think the Democratic Party can afford to not find some way for that to happen.


They don't have any legal recourse; that ship has already sailed. At this point it would be a re-vote or re-caucus to get seated.

Cycloptichorn


Yup. But can you see the Democrats disenfranchising two huge voting blocks like that and not figuring out some way to make that happen?


You'd have to be out of your mind to set rules that disenfranchise two of the largest states.

Do you think the national party wants those states sitting on their hands in protest in November?

They will seat the delegates, declare them 'free' from any pre-commitment and let them cast their votes.

They will go overwhelmingly for Hillary (who has been very vocal about including them), not for 'Present' Obama (who has not).

Hillary understands this, that is why she has played this like a fine fiddle.

'Present' still has no idea he has been sandbagged.

They will get to vote. You watch.

Even with them, Hillary may not be able to clinch on the first ballot or two.

We could still see a compromise candidate brought forward to unite the party.
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