FreeDuck
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 12:28 pm
"they all do"? Really, bear, I don't think you're being honest. How should we discuss the demographics of the race? We were all thrilled when it looked like Obama was breaking into Clinton's demographic base, was that because "we" thought we were better than "them"?
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 12:46 pm
spendius wrote:
I speculated on that subject weeks ago.

Do I detect a note of snobbery sneaking in?

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More college students; more people with degrees (not a lot).


Is soz claiming the intellectual high ground for Big Ears?
Much to the chagrin of some Hillary supporters; it is a simple matter of fact that the less educated lower income voters have polled consistently more likely to support Hillary.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 12:49 pm
blatham wrote:
snood wrote:
Quote:
I am not just lined up behind the 'black guy' because he looks like me - if that were the case I wouldn't have voted for Mondale when Jackson was a possibility...

I just think Obama is better.


We know that, snood. Unfortunately, that 'we' includes only the category of people with IQs above 87 or so. This guy could be green and he'd still be a heads-above-the-rest modern american political figure.


An unlovely (and inaccurate) bit of self-congratulatory snobbery.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:14 pm
mysteryman wrote:
This is interesting, has anyone else heard this...

NEW YORK (CBS) ― Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton hinted at the possibility
Quote:
of a Democratic "dream ticket" with Sen. Barack Obama.


This is the reaction of it in the European media (here:[London] Evening Standard)

http://i30.tinypic.com/nwdi4w.jpg
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Magginkat
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:19 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Hi, Magginkat, long time no see.


She's just out on a weekend pass, soz.


Describing your own condition again Tico?
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spendius
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:23 pm
Bill wrote-

Quote:
Much to the chagrin of some Hillary supporters; it is a simple matter of fact that the less educated lower income voters have polled consistently more likely to support Hillary.


In that case she should piss it. There's a lot more uneducated dimwits running the vital infrastructure than there are chattering, wine tasting, chinless wonders who spend their days pumping out hot air and their evenings learning their lines instead of going down to the pub with the farmers and steelworkers.

I got the impression that 6% of Texans voted and were pretty evenly split with Mrs C shading it due to a taxi getting a puncture.

What's Intrade now Bill?

I'm on Mr McCain at 6 to 1. My Gore bet was a frivolous long-shot after 4 pints of John Smith's Extra Smooth.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:32 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Well, it's going to be tougher for Obama from here on out.

Hopefully he can win in Wyoming and Mississippi to close out the month on a strong note.

Cycloptichorn


It looks like we were wrong in guessing how this would go and then whether Hillary would be dropping out today.

Remind me to stop making predictions in this amazing election and I'll do the same for you.
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:41 pm
blatham wrote:
Farakhan is about race. ...


Of course he is ... he always has been.

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... So was the response to Michelle's "first time I loved..." statement because it morphed immediately into allusions to Black Power.


Ridiculous statement.

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We all know we'll see more.


Of course we'll see more, as we start to learn more about Mr. Obama.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:42 pm
Fortunes for the white house may have been reversed, but there's still more primaries that can go either way.

Most of the pundits were saying that Hillary needed to get 60 to 65 percent in Ohio and Texas; that has not been met.

Just, maybe....
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:45 pm
nimh said:
Quote:
I really dont understand why Hillary refused to congratulate her opponent in state after state after state after Super Tuesday. I thought it the weirdest thing. Was afraid that Obama would emulate her example now, glad he didnt.


I think I understand it. This looks like the marketing strategy, often also used in politics, of never mentioning your competitions name and certainly avoid saying anything good about them.

But it makes her look simply petty and ungracious, particularly in contrast to Obama, thus forwarding a serious negative conception of her already floating around. I think it's stupid. But there's no question that criticism on this point will have come into the campaign (right wing radio rags on this one) so they have to believe they win more than lose.
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:48 pm
I haven't quite figured out the congratulating thing yet. To my memory, both have done it and failed to do it in their speeches after a primary throughout this campaign. I can't figure out what it means, but of course, I like it when they do have the graciousness to congratulate each other.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:57 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:

Quote:
... So was the response to Michelle's "first time I loved..." statement because it morphed immediately into allusions to Black Power.


Ridiculous statement.

Quote:
We all know we'll see more.


Of course we'll see more, as we start to learn more about Mr. Obama.


start your education/integrity phase here...

Quote:
On February 25, Hannity said, "And then we've discovered that Michelle Obama, who made this comment last week when she said she felt proud of her country for the first time in her life, she, in her thesis at Princeton, wrote the following talking about -- she said "because of the belief that blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor," she talked about why African-Americans joined together at Princeton. Is race going to now be an issue for them?"
On February 26, while discussing the Obamas with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA), Hannity asserted: "she had written this thesis while she was at Princeton, where she talked about, quote, "blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor." Later, in a separate segment, Hannity said to his guests: "[Obama's] wife in her thesis at Princeton said, quote, 'Blacks must join in solidarity -- the belief that blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor.' On top of -- on heels -- on the heels of the statement, "For the first time in my life, I'm proud to be an American." Does that -- do those racial issues concern people?"
On February 27, Hannity asked former White House senior political adviser Karl Rove, "When you add that to the comments of his wife about 'the first time in my adult life, I'm proud to be an American,' the use of the word 'white oppressor' in her thesis -- do you think the people are going to respond negatively to all of this?"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802290007

continue here...
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22michelle+obama%22++%22black+power%22&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7DKUS
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 01:59 pm
snood wrote:
I support Obama because I believe him to be the person with the attributes I would most like to see in that residence at 1600 Pennsylvania. I think he is a decent man, and a brilliant man. I think he got into public service for the right reasons, and that remains someone who wants to serve others. I think his ideas for programs to free us from our oil addiction and get us universal healthcare are sound, and that he is serious about paying for those things mostly by changing the tax burden in a way that benefits people like me. I like his ideas about student public service and I agree with his stands on gay marriage, the war in Iraq, care for veterans, and a host of other things.

I am not just lined up behind the 'black guy' because he looks like me - if that were the case I wouldn't have voted for Mondale when Jackson was a possibility.


I don't doubt that is true, snood, and I misspoke when I earlier said that was the only reason you were supporting him, because that's not what I believed at the time.

My criticism, for whatever it's worth, is because a part of your decision is based on the fact that he's a black man, and I do not think race or color should enter into the process any more than should a candidate's middle name. Because to hold any one person in greater or lesser esteem based solely on the color of their skin, is to perpetuate a problem that has been present in our society for a very long time.
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echi
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:03 pm
sozobe wrote:
I like your optimism, echi!

How was voting?


For the record, I just recently moved to Austin, but I had to vote in Pearland, a Houston suburb, since I'm still registered there.

There was a huge turnout for the Democrats in my precinct-- much greater than the Republicans, who also had their convention in the same building. We also seemed like a pretty diverse crowd as far as age, gender, ethnic background. All seemed like good signs for Obama.

We couldn't begin caucusing until everyone finished voting, so we had to wait a couple hours before we could get started. It wasn't hot. There was plenty of room and places to sit while we waited. There were adequate bathroom facilities and vending machines. Still, as time dragged on and the line of late voters got ever shorter, there were quite a few people who were no way shy about voicing their displeasure. Loudly. Like bratty children. And they continued throughout the entire process, until the time came to separate into groups of Obama supporters and Clinton supporters.

Some of them may have been Limbaugh operatives. I don't know. But it was striking how virtually every one of the idiot complainers ended up in the Hillary group. They were mostly older white men and women, lower income white people, and a few Hispanics.

The Obama group were not only more cooperative, but also much more diverse. Every group was represented. We seemed to be more interested in the process, itself, and more personally invested-- the Clinton group didn't even stick around for the final vote.

Unfortunately, they ended up sending 5 delegates to our 4.

I was depressed last night, but today I'm "fired-up".

The only way I might vote for Hillary is if Obama becomes her running mate, and I don't see that happening.

Her dishonest attacks on Obama demonstrate a total lack of integrity. She has given us no indication that she will keep her word to the American people. It seems that she is only in it for herself; it's pure ambition. Otherwise, she would run a positive campaign highlighting her superior abilities and qualifications. But she has consistently chosen not to do that-- apparently judging that strategy too risky. And running against a candidate like Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., I have to agree that's probably a wise decision.

There is one silver lining if she happens to pull off the impossible and wins her big prize... It would be a big kick in the nuts to Rush Phlegmball!
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:06 pm
blatham wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
blatham wrote:
... So was the response to Michelle's "first time I loved..." statement because it morphed immediately into allusions to Black Power.


Ridiculous statement.


start your education/integrity phase here...

Quote:
On February 25, Hannity said, "And then we've discovered that Michelle Obama, who made this comment last week when she said she felt proud of her country for the first time in her life, she, in her thesis at Princeton, wrote the following talking about -- she said "because of the belief that blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor," she talked about why African-Americans joined together at Princeton. Is race going to now be an issue for them?"
On February 26, while discussing the Obamas with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA), Hannity asserted: "she had written this thesis while she was at Princeton, where she talked about, quote, "blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor." Later, in a separate segment, Hannity said to his guests: "[Obama's] wife in her thesis at Princeton said, quote, 'Blacks must join in solidarity -- the belief that blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor.' On top of -- on heels -- on the heels of the statement, "For the first time in my life, I'm proud to be an American." Does that -- do those racial issues concern people?"
On February 27, Hannity asked former White House senior political adviser Karl Rove, "When you add that to the comments of his wife about 'the first time in my adult life, I'm proud to be an American,' the use of the word 'white oppressor' in her thesis -- do you think the people are going to respond negatively to all of this?"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802290007

continue here...
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22michelle+obama%22++%22black+power%22&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7DKUS


See here's the problem with your thinking, blatham: I've not listened to Hannity for a very long time. I've heard none of that before, in any detail. I have given it zero creedence. But yet I criticize Ms. Obama for what she said, completely distanced from any aspect of a racial issue. So it is ridiculous for you to make a general statement that the criticism of her was "about race." It may have morphed into that for some, but not for me, and I'm relatively sure it didn't for a good many other people. And until you realize the inaccuracy of your position here, you lack the integrity you constantly require of others.
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spendius
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:07 pm
When it gets to the last two days before the November job all this will have been washed out to sea and settled on the ocean floor. Only the lighter stuff will remain afloat.

It's good fun though. Why are you all so serious. It doesn't matter a shite who is President. Any changes will be a branch of immateriality.

The Titanic had full rudder on for a good while but it still hit the iceberg. And the Ship of State is on a whole other level.
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spendius
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:11 pm
Thinking about it for a moment it seems that going into battle shouting "CHANGE!!" requires one to think that the Ship of State can be made to move like a remote-controlled model aeroplane or that the punters are just nuts.
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DrewDad
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:13 pm
echi wrote:
For the record, I just recently moved to Austin, but I had to vote in Pearland, a Houston suburb, since I'm still registered there.

Welcome to the blue island in the red sea that is Texas.
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:13 pm
spendius wrote:
Thinking about it for a moment it seems that going into battle shouting "CHANGE!!" requires one to think that the Ship of State can be made to move like a remote-controlled model aeroplane or that the punters are just nuts.


No, it requires the possibility of throwing the captain and crew overboard.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2008 02:14 pm
Thanks for the report, echi! Hey, it looks like Obama may get more delegates out of Texas when all is said and done than Hillary did. Thanks for your dedication -- caucusing at all plus sticking around after things dragged on and on.
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