Obama '08?

snood wrote:

You nimrods have spent the last couple of weeks trying to stick something racial to Obama, but its someone else who is "playing that card", huh?

Seriously, part of the reason I hope he wins is just to piss off wastes of human flesh like you.

You've already made it clear the only reason you want him to win is because he's a black man.

And you're dumb enough to think I give a rats ass what the color of his skin is. Yet time and time again you have demonstrated on these fora that your prime focus in life revolves around the color of a person's skin. It's pretty damn pathetic.

Play the card snood ... it's what you do best.

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Snood - I don't think you've played that card. Your posts have been clear. Don't worry about the Ticos of the world. Nothing more than paper tigers. They see Obama, and insist on race being an issue, but don't realize that it's still an issue even if it's two white guys running.

Messing with the status quo is a scary thing for these types.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Snood - I don't think you've played that card. Your posts have been clear. Don't worry about the Ticos of the world. Nothing more than paper tigers. They see Obama, and insist on race being an issue, but don't realize that it's still an issue even if it's two white guys running.

Messing with the status quo is a scary thing for these types.

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What an ignorant post. Snood is the one who made it crystal clear that race was his main interest in this election, because he doesn't want to see "one more good ole All American white guy in a line of 43 other good ole All American white guys." You saw his post ... I don't need to point it out to you. I didn't inject race ... he did.

Now, can you find one post ... just one ... where I insisted on race being an issue? Or where I even raised the topic of race? Just one. That shouldn't be too hard, based upon your above description of me.

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You are taking snood's post out of context and you know it.

He wrote.

snood wrote:

Ya know, Tico - in all actuality you guys have a lot more to worry about than Obama supporters do., I mean, we know what to expect with McCain - he's going to keep the Bush tax cuts, and the Bush stance on Iraq. No offense, but one more good ole All American white guy in a line of 43 other good ole etc.

But if Obama wins, OH MY GOD it's like the end of an era, or at least I'm sure it seems to some to be. It's a sure sign that people aren't as interested in keeping things to the same ole status quo that you have thrived in.

If McCain wins, we will sigh a very heavy sigh and settle in for more of the same. If Obama wins, though you probably won't admit it, it's gonna cause one hell of a mass, prolonged anxiety attack.

One of the many reasons I'm hoping he gets in.

Pretty far divorced from your claims.

Shut up.

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snood wrote:

You nimrods have spent the last couple of weeks trying to stick something racial to Obama, but its someone else who is "playing that card", huh?

Seriously, part of the reason I hope he wins is just to piss off wastes of human flesh like you.

Its a two edged sword, snood, so anyone that carries or helps carry that sword around is in danger themselves, through their own actions, not anyone else.

And interesting, is it just me, but does anyone else sense a peaking of the Obama hype the last few days? This after months of gathering steam. Will it again gain momentum or is it in for a big bust, or at least a slow deflation?

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Wishful thinking.

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As an observer, I dont think race comes into it. Obama appears to be just as popular with younger whites as he is with non whites, which is to the credit oft American voters. Its what he says which makes him such a refreshing and attractive change. Mind you even the Republican canditate seems to disassociate himself with the present incumbent, so perhaps being an attractive change is not difficult.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

As an observer, I dont think race comes into it. Obama appears to be just as popular with younger whites as he is with non whites, which is to the credit oft American voters. Its what he says which makes him such a refreshing and attractive change. Mind you even the Republican canditate seems to disassociate himself with the present incumbent, so perhaps being an attractive change is not difficult.

You are correct. Many people on the far right are trying to discredit Obama's following to simple things like race. McCain isn't a bad guy either, I've like him for some time. However, I am at a loss as to why he feel continuing with several Bush administration decisions is good measure. Perhaps it is just a show to get the Republican base behind him. Who knows. To the credit of McCain, I will say that gicen his record of work across the isle, I think he would be respectful of other (in this case Democrats etc) in terms of the architecture of his cabinet.

Having said that, I still think Obama is a better choice for me based on my interests and various political topics such as Iraq, healthcare (this one specifically, I'd like to see him take some notes of Edwards though), and Gitmo.

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If Hillary loses both states today do you think she will withdraw for the good of the party? I know she said she wont quit, but there is a difference between being a fighter and doing damage to your own side.

p.s. Who do the Republicans want as the Dem candidate? Which one do they feel they have the better chance of beating in November?

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Ticomaya wrote:

You've already made it clear the only reason you want him to win is because he's a black man.

What a crock of ****. He's posted that just him being a black man would be reason enough alone, but as it happens he's found right from the start that in the case of Obama, there are many other reasons why he supports him as well.

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Thanks Deist and nimh. One could go cross-eyed trying to extract logic from tico's harangues.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

p.s. Who do the Republicans want as the Dem candidate? Which one do they feel they have the better chance of beating in November?

Steve, I talked about that several pages back -- Republicans clearly prefer Hillary in terms of who is the more beatable candidate. Rush Limbaugh makes this explicit -- "Keep her in it so we can win it." I posted something about some Republican WASPs in Columbus, OH (my city) talking about how they're confident that McCain has the nomination sealed up so they're voting for Hillary, as a preferred (easier-to-beat) opponent. Nappy chimed in with info that she's heard similar things are going on in Texas.

It's something I've seen over and over again, in a variety of contexts.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

As an observer, I dont think race comes into it. Obama appears to be just as popular with younger whites as he is with non whites, which is to the credit oft American voters. Its what he says which makes him such a refreshing and attractive change. Mind you even the Republican canditate seems to disassociate himself with the present incumbent, so perhaps being an attractive change is not difficult.

I think it's naive to think that race doesn't come into it. Obama appears to be just as popular with younger whites as he is with non-whites is a testament to the future but can't be generalized to say that race is a non-issue today. There are plenty of not-so-young voters in this country with whom race is still a large hurdle to leap.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Shut up.

To quote snood, fuk yew.

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nimh wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
You've already made it clear the only reason you want him to win is because he's a black man.

What a crock of ****. He's posted that just him being a black man would be reason enough alone, but as it happens he's found right from the start that in the case of Obama, there are many other reasons why he supports him as well.

Okay, the main reason he wants him to win is because he's a black man. I'm sure he's also enamored with his plan to slash the DoD budget. Unless you've not been paying attention -- and I've known you to not pay attention -- you know snood injects race into many, many issues at this site. So don't try and act like my comment is coming from out in left field. And, yes, I'm going to focus on his stark comment where he made it clear he doesn't want another white guy to be the President. And in that same post he stated his ignorant belief that if a black man is elected President it will cause me to have an anxiety attack. Snood clearly doesn't know me or what I believe if he thinks I give a flying fuk what color the next President's skin may be.

The reason I don't want Obama to win has nothing to do with the color of his skin. Snood plays the race card whenever he has the opportunity ... yet he -- and Deist -- has the temerity to accuse me of injecting race into the conversation?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

nimh wrote:
Since he's already made clear he's an independent voter who's ideologically somewhere halfway between Hillary and McCain, I don't see how that's an issue.

I just put people who aren't Dems in the same group as Republicans - outside parties who are interested in the race, but don't represent mainstream Dem thought.

It takes something away from their complaints.

Eh.

Independents can vote in most Democratic primaries just like Democrats can. Their votes count as much as Democrats' votes. And you'll need their votes as much as the Democrats' in the general elections. It's be foolish to accord their opinion less worth than those of "proper" Democrats.

Ironically, you'd also be playing right into Hillary's cards with any kind of, I take Democrats' opinions on this primary more into account than independent voters', logic. After all, as her campaign has repeatedly been pointing out, she's got the most votes of self-identified Democrats. Obama is only ahead in the popular vote tally thanks to those very independents.

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snood wrote:

Thanks Deist and nimh. One could go cross-eyed trying to extract logic from tico's harangues.

One has given up trying to extract logic from your posts.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

nimh wrote:
Since he's already made clear he's an independent voter who's ideologically somewhere halfway between Hillary and McCain, I don't see how that's an issue.

I don't know that he has made anything clear. I don't think he knows.

I was referring to where he wrote:

"In reality I only agree with about 30-40% of [Clinton and Obama's] positions. I also agree with 30-40% of McCains positions. 20-40% of my positions aren't offered by either candidate (or at least not offered in entirety). You see, the same portion of my positions would be equally represented by either side of the isle. They are just different positions."

Makes sense to me. It's not where I stand, but it's clear enough. And there's loads of such voters, and you're going to need to win most of them over.

And dare I say, isn't it a bit much for you to accuse other people of being "fake" posters, Ms. Harper / Chrissee / Twin-peaks-Nikki / Roxxxanne?

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nimh wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
nimh wrote:
Since he's already made clear he's an independent voter who's ideologically somewhere halfway between Hillary and McCain, I don't see how that's an issue.

I don't know that he has made anything clear. I don't think he knows.

I was referring to where he wrote:

"In reality I only agree with about 30-40% of [Clinton and Obama's] positions. I also agree with 30-40% of McCains positions. 20-40% of my positions aren't offered by either candidate (or at least not offered in entirety). You see, the same portion of my positions would be equally represented by either side of the isle. They are just different positions."

Makes sense to me. It's not where I stand, but it's clear enough. And there's loads of such voters, and you're going to need to win most of them over....

Right. Thanks, nimh.

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nimh wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
nimh wrote:
Since he's already made clear he's an independent voter who's ideologically somewhere halfway between Hillary and McCain, I don't see how that's an issue.

I don't know that he has made anything clear. I don't think he knows.

I was referring to where he wrote:

"In reality I only agree with about 30-40% of [Clinton and Obama's] positions. I also agree with 30-40% of McCains positions. 20-40% of my positions aren't offered by either candidate (or at least not offered in entirety). You see, the same portion of my positions would be equally represented by either side of the isle. They are just different positions."

Makes sense to me. It's not where I stand, but it's clear enough. And there's loads of such voters, and you're going to need to win most of them over.

And dare I say, isn't it a bit much for you to accuse other people of being "fake" posters, Ms. Harper / Chrissee / Twin-peaks-Nikki / Roxxxanne?

I don't know about them but after two years of posting here, there can't be a more honest and genuine poster than myself.

Anyway, O Bill made the accusation not me. Whatever, I am entitled to my opinion and I guarantee my intuition is as good or better than anyone here.

Back to the topic, I am concerned about how the MSM is now pushing the idea that Hillary has made a comeback even though not a single vote has been counted.

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