Obama '08?

I've seen several variations of of this in various places:

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So I'm at lunch today with coworkers, here in Columbus, Ohio, and the primaries of course are the hot topic of discussion. The group, mostly conservative, Republican leaning White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, agrees across the board they will be voting for a Democrat tomorrow because McCain is a lock in our collective opinion for the GOP nomination.

Now what shocked me was how many of the group (a majority in fact) are voting for Hillary because they like McCain's chances this fall against her better than against Obama. In fact as I prod more, they to a man admit they'd rather see Obama in the White House than Clinton, but ultimately their allegiance is to McCain, hence the vote for Clinton.

Ugh.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/gop-sabotage.html

Older white women have projected themselves onto Hillary Clinton, and see attacks on her as attacks on themselves. It's quite apparent that this is the case, and sort of sad, really. They see all criticism as sexism. It's an aspect of the 'professional victim' wing of the Dem party.

A hint for you - Hillary is already losing. She's behind by quite a bit. She needs to start catching up quick in order to stay viable.

She probably won't catch up tomorrow night at all. She would have to win OH and TX by more then ten points each in order to do so. I doubt either is going to happen, though OH is more likely then TX.

Cycloptichorn

It was Bill Clinton who said Hillary has to win Texas and Ohio and she does. If she doesn't quit voluntarily , the powers that be will drum her out of the race.

BTW the latest delegate count I saw had Obama up by over 150 delegates, not 100.

In an Ohio Poll [pdf] released by the University of Cincinnati this morning, Barack Obama fares slightly better than Hillary Clinton against John McCain in close head-to-head match-ups:

48% Obama
47% McCain

47% Clinton
51% McCain

Roxxxanne wrote:

It was Bill Clinton who said Hillary has to win Texas and Ohio and she does. If she doesn't quit voluntarily , the powers that be will drum her out of the race.

BTW the latest delegate count I saw had Obama up by over 150 delegates, not 100.

150 is still a long way from "quite a bit" in the full picture. And they'll "drum her out" using exactly what technique. It's a mistake for Obama, by way of his surrogates or supporters to be demanding that his still viable opponent leave the race.....for what? The good of the party? It's too late for the party. Now we have to see who really wins. That's not wag-the-dog winning, but really winning.

Roxxxanne wrote:

It was Bill Clinton who said Hillary has to win Texas and Ohio and she does. If she doesn't quit voluntarily , the powers that be will drum her out of the race.

BTW the latest delegate count I saw had Obama up by over 150 delegates, not 100.

150 is still a long way from "quite a bit" in the full picture. And they'll "drum her out" using exactly what technique. It's a mistake for Obama, by way of his surrogates or supporters to be demanding that his still viable opponent leave the race.....for what? The good of the party? It's too late for the party. Now we have to see who really wins. That's not wag-the-dog winning, but really winning.

The breakdown of voters in Texas and Ohio is interesting. White men voting in large numbers for Obama. White women for Hillary. This is a clear gender gap. And the generational gap is also telling. Older women for Hillary, younger everybody else for Obama. African Americans are voting for Obama in very high percentages. White women over a certain age are backing Hillary. This gender, age and racial bias has received very little coverage as a topic of discussion in the media.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Older white women have projected themselves onto Hillary Clinton, and see attacks on her as attacks on themselves. It's quite apparent that this is the case, and sort of sad, really. They see all criticism as sexism. It's an aspect of the 'professional victim' wing of the Dem party.

A hint for you - Hillary is already losing. She's behind by quite a bit. She needs to start catching up quick in order to stay viable.

She probably won't catch up tomorrow night at all. She would have to win OH and TX by more then ten points each in order to do so. I doubt either is going to happen, though OH is more likely then TX.

Cycloptichorn

You think she's behind by "quite a bit" only because you want to believe that. Momentum is transitional and should not be a factor. Voters in all states should have their vote counted before a winner is declared. Why should my vote count less than someone in Texas or Ohio? We still have Pennsylvania coming up. Plus we still don't know what may emerge as an important issue influencing voters in the remaining states. Obama has failed to win a big state yet........not a good sign for the general.

Lola wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

It was Bill Clinton who said Hillary has to win Texas and Ohio and she does. If she doesn't quit voluntarily , the powers that be will drum her out of the race.

BTW the latest delegate count I saw had Obama up by over 150 delegates, not 100.

150 is still a long way from "quite a bit" in the full picture. And they'll "drum her out" using exactly what technique. It's a mistake for Obama, by way of his surrogates or supporters to be demanding that his still viable opponent leave the race.....for what? The good of the party? It's too late for the party. Now we have to see who really wins. That's not wag-the-dog winning, but really winning.

Obama has won 11 states straight... some big.

If Hillary doesn't win Texas or Ohio... she will be toast. Since delegates are awarded proportionally it will be impossible for her to catch up. Everyone who understands how the primaries work knows this (including the Clintons).

The question is whether Hillary and her supporters will be adult enough to except the fact that they were beaten by a better campaign with a candidate chosen by more voters.

"If she wins Texas and Ohio I think she will be the nominee. If you don't deliver for her, I don't think she can be. It's all on you."

Lola wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

It was Bill Clinton who said Hillary has to win Texas and Ohio and she does. If she doesn't quit voluntarily , the powers that be will drum her out of the race.

BTW the latest delegate count I saw had Obama up by over 150 delegates, not 100.

150 is still a long way from "quite a bit" in the full picture. And they'll "drum her out" using exactly what technique. It's a mistake for Obama, by way of his surrogates or supporters to be demanding that his still viable opponent leave the race.....for what? The good of the party? It's too late for the party. Now we have to see who really wins. That's not wag-the-dog winning, but really winning.

Oh, and Bill Clinton (I won't attempt to raise my voice as loudly as you did when speaking his name) did not say she had to win both states. He was talking to her supporters and encouraging them to get out the vote. He said she might not be able to be president if she didn't win........so go vote for her. It's a good example of how one statement can be molded to suit which ever purpose one wants.


She'll quit when she's lost and not before. The demand that she drop out reminds me of the Republican tactics during the years they hounded Bill Clinton. They wanted to over turn and discount the majority of the electorate believing they had the right. It's presumptuous and entitled to demand she quit.

BEAUMONT, Texas, Feb. 21 (UPI) -- Former U.S. President Bill Clinton told a crowd in Texas that Sen. Hillary Clinton must win primaries in Texas and Ohio to stay alive in the race for president.

The former president's statements were his most blunt in regards to his wife's chances of becoming the Democratic nominee for president, CNN reported.

"If she wins in Texas and Ohio, I think she will be the nominee. If you don't deliver for her then I don't think she can. It's all on you," he said Wednesday during a rally in Texas.

This is what he said.

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"If she wins Texas and Ohio I think she will be the nominee. If you don't deliver for her, I don't think she can be. It's all on you."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4318311&page=1

The idea that Hillary has to win both states to remain viable has been hyped, repeated so many times we all have begun to think of it as truth.

For Hillary to catch up the Pledged Delegate deficit that she has fallen behind by, she has to have big wins - blowout wins - in the remaining states.

Lola wrote:

The idea that Hillary has to win both states to remain viable has been hyped, repeated so many times we all have begun to think of it as truth.

It was Hillary who exclaimed raucously, at a big political rally, "Come on down to Texas," Obama - "I'll meet you here!"

It was Bill Clinton who said in Texas: ""If she wins Texas and Ohio I think she will be the nominee. If you don't deliver for her, I don't think she can be. It's all on you."

But yeah, sure - it was them media who "hyped the idea that Hillary has to win both states".

sozobe wrote:

This is what he said.

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"If she wins Texas and Ohio I think she will be the nominee. If you don't deliver for her, I don't think she can be. It's all on you."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4318311&page=1

Exactly, you and other Obama supporters are translating that into a misleading statement. He doesn't say she will drop out if she doesn't win. She doesn't say she has to win those states. He's clearly trying to motivate Hillary's supporters to get out the vote. And that's all he's saying.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

For Hillary to catch up the Pledged Delegate deficit that she has fallen behind by, she has to have big wins - blowout wins - in the remaining states.

You're talking like the only way to win is to win the pledged delegate total.......convientely your're leaving out the super delegates

The difference of 150 delegates could easily be made up by the 400 or so SDs that have yet to pledge.

I for one hope she stays in until the convention....and I'll keep sending her money to help.