Obama '08?

And now ... a typical Obama supporter details his candidate's strengths in this youtube message to Hillary Clinton:

(*** WARNING *** Do not watch this with any beverages in your mouth ... oh, and some crude language *** WARNING ***)

Okay ... you've been warned ...

LINK


("Wickety-schwickety-whack, man!")

And now ... a typical Obama supporter details his candidate's strengths in this youtube message to Hillary Clinton:

(*** WARNING *** Do not watch this with any beverages in your mouth ... oh, and some crude language *** WARNING ***)

Okay ... you've been warned ...

LINK


("Wickety-schwickety-whack, man!")

he's got a GREAT orator skills.

Despite Obama's reputation for grandiose rhetoric and utopian hope-mongering, the Obamanauts [policy advisors] aren't radicals--far from it. They're pragmatists--people who, when an existing paradigm clashes with reality, opt to tweak that paradigm rather than replace it wholesale. As Thaler puts it, "Physics with friction is not as beautiful. But you need it to get rockets off the ground." It might as well be the motto for Obama's entire policy shop.

My observation is that a lot of superdelegates jumped on the Hillary bandwagon when they thought she was the inevitable nominee. Not necessarily because they felt she could best represent the party and lead the country -- they just thought she was going to win. I've referred a few times to the evidence of this in a letter from the membership of a union that endorsed Hillary to the leadership of that union. (I can find this back on request.)

Now, Obama looks like he is the one who is more electable. So people are switching. That makes sense, and is well within the purpose of superdelegates.

High Seas wrote:

Quote:

"...... this is the saddest election I've ever worked in," said Ginger Grossman, a prominent Democratic organizer in Miami-Dade County, who says she hears countless Jewish liberals tell her they won't vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.

"It's outrageous,..... I know it's because he's black, or I feel it is," said Grossman, a Clinton supporter .....

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/25/Worldandnation/Party_frets_over_frac.shtml

Maybe it's because he supports anti-Semites and they support him................

real life wrote:

High Seas wrote:

Quote:

"...... this is the saddest election I've ever worked in," said Ginger Grossman, a prominent Democratic organizer in Miami-Dade County, who says she hears countless Jewish liberals tell her they won't vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.

"It's outrageous,..... I know it's because he's black, or I feel it is," said Grossman, a Clinton supporter .....

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/25/Worldandnation/Party_frets_over_frac.shtml

Maybe it's because he supports anti-Semites and they support him................

Nuttin personal, but that's likely to be the dumbest and least educated comment I'm going to read today.

maporsche wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

And they call Obama "Messianic?"


Actually, that was YOU!

Excellent point Maporche!

All seriousness aside, how ticked off are Clinton supporters by the sort of shots Roxy and her Obama pals are taking at the Clintons?

Not to pick on Roxy, but isn't there a sort of recurrent theme in evidence?

It doesn't really matter what the politics of the Other might be, it's enough that they are the Other and not favored. So Hillary and Bill get the same shite dumped on them as George Bush and Dick Cheney. Suddenly Maporche, Lola and Bipo are not a hell of a lot better than fell Finn.

It's enough to make one wonder what the tribal boundries may actually be.

Will you all go back to being swell pals after the election?

It's an interesting thing to watch and experience. I'm more than a bit embarrassed to say that it took me by surprise. That embarrassment arises out of a freshly perceived (not to mention ironic) self-stupidity... my biases led me to believe that 'our' side simply would not demonstrate this amount of bickering, pettiness, and bias-driven certainty. It's been a 'learning opportunity' if we want to put it in teacher-talk. Friend angry with friend, wives and husbands skirting the thin edges of things...

This didn't happen in the prior two primaries/elections where I've been involved in an online community such as this. So, it is something or somethings about this election which are unique and causal. I think I have a good handle on what those things are but I'll probably get in another argument with someone distant or proximate if I voice them.

But I think in the end there will be healing. Except with you, finn.

maporsche wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

And they call Obama "Messianic?"

All seriousness aside, how ticked off are Clinton supporters by the sort of shots Roxy and her Obama pals are taking at the Clintons?

Not ticked off at the very least. Amused...all the way to the Inauguration.

And my "And they call Obama Messianic" was merely a caption. That I admitted and even argued with Obama supporters about Obama's Messianic appeal is irrelevant.

You guys can whine about Obama and his supporters all you like. He is teflon like Reagan and IT GALLS YOU. I find is amusing that you are so frustrated and will be for the next four years a least. What is beyond amusing (hilarious actually) is Bush die-hards crying about enthusiasm for a candidate promising to end our long national nightmare. You guys need professional help.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

maporsche wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

And they call Obama "Messianic?"


Actually, that was YOU!

Excellent point Maporche!

All seriousness aside, how ticked off are Clinton supporters by the sort of shots Roxy and her Obama pals are taking at the Clintons?

Not to pick on Roxy, but isn't there a sort of recurrent theme in evidence?

It doesn't really matter what the politics of the Other might be, it's enough that they are the Other and not favored. So Hillary and Bill get the same shite dumped on them as George Bush and Dick Cheney. Suddenly Maporche, Lola and Bipo are not a hell of a lot better than fell Finn.

It's enough to make one wonder what the tribal boundries may actually be.

Will you all go back to being swell pals after the election?

It's an interesting thing to watch and experience. I'm more than a bit embarrassed to say that it took me by surprise. That embarrassment arises out of a freshly perceived (not to mention ironic) self-stupidity... my biases led me to believe that 'our' side simply would not demonstrate this amount of bickering, pettiness, and bias-driven certainty. It's been a 'learning opportunity' if we want to put it in teacher-talk. Friend angry with friend, wives and husbands skirting the thin edges of things...

This didn't happen in the prior two primaries/elections where I've been involved in an online community such as this. So, it is something or somethings about this election which are unique and causal. I think I have a good handle on what those things are but I'll probably get in another argument with someone distant or proximate if I voice them.

But I think in the end there will be healing. Except with you, finn.

Two great candidates. Something worth arguing over.

Cycloptichorn

blatham wrote:

real life wrote:

High Seas wrote:

Quote:

"...... this is the saddest election I've ever worked in," said Ginger Grossman, a prominent Democratic organizer in Miami-Dade County, who says she hears countless Jewish liberals tell her they won't vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.

"It's outrageous,..... I know it's because he's black, or I feel it is," said Grossman, a Clinton supporter .....

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/25/Worldandnation/Party_frets_over_frac.shtml

Maybe it's because he supports anti-Semites and they support him................

Nuttin personal, but that's likely to be the dumbest and least educated comment I'm going to read today.

Whats dumb and least educated about it? Obama is likely going to be much more sympathetic to anti-Israel interests, and likely more pro-Palestinian.