Obama '08?

Mr. Walter Hinterler had it right.

What he does not know is that I worked for the opposition to this corruption.

He thinks he knows Illinois Politics> I have worked in Illinois Politics.

Let's take Nimm's points one at a time..

first of all, it is obvious that Nimm does not even know what a racist is. Nimh's education is obvioulsy lacking.

The dictionary definition of Racism is: <snipped>

Now. if Nimh can find any point that I made which is included in such a definition, he should say so

It is obvious that Mr. Nimh cannot handle someone who does not agree with him. He now is using the old tactic-_Well, he is not a "good" person, so there is no need to respond to him.

Mr. Nimh does not know that I do not expect any decent response from A HungarianSocialist

Is it your postion, Mr. Nimh, that I should not have the freedom to post?

Again, there are few people who respond in a 600 person survey who would dare( over the phone) to indicate that they are displeased with Barrack Obama. I attempted to explain to you that many Americans, especially younger ones, have been so brainwashed as to their PERSONAL complicity in Slavery and its effects that they would never dare to even utter one negative word.

I must have responded to more of your posts than anyone else, lately. (Not that you ever follow-up on anything in your posts that I touch upon.)

600 adult residents of each of the country's 50 states - a total of 30,000 respondents.

I am sorry to hear about your confinement by the Doctor, Mr.Nimh. Just a friendly word of advice--I would not trust the European Physicans in any matter that may become serious( such as a brain tumor). If you have the funds( I doubt it) go immediately to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. They can cure you there.

I am sorry for labelling you a Hungarian. I will not do so in the future.

Are you German? You seem to exude traces of totalitarianism/

Or, you may be Danish..If so, is your malady genital?

Or, you may be Dutch. In which case, there is no hope!!

Or, you may be Dutch. In which case, there is no hope!!

It is clear that Nimm does not know politics.

He does not know that Senator Fitzgerald did not, I repeat, did not get more than a few votes in the inner city. The African-Americans in the inner city would vote for Mickey Mouse if he was black.

Carol Mosely Braun carried Cook County( where most African-Americans live) HEAVILY while Fitzgerald took 97 counties( out of 101).

First of all, you know that I destroyed the credibility of your post of Survey USA which interviewed all of 600( six hundred voters). I showed that you did not, I repeat, did not( a most dishonest act) post the disclaimer that SurveyUSA listed which indicated that it is possible that the poll was skewed since many would not respond to it.

I made this point previously, but since you, like many on the left, do not respond to points which weaken your case, you said nothing!!

Again, there are few people who respond in a 600 person survey who would dare( over the phone) to indicate that they are displeased with Barrack Obama. I attempted to explain to you that many Americans, especially younger ones, have been so brainwashed as to their PERSONAL complicity in Slavery and its effects that they would never dare to even utter one negative word.

Didn't want to derail nimh's thread about Republicans. This can become the equivalent about Democrats
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What do you think?

2008: The Case Against Barack Obama

It's Too Soon, Senator

[..] the most compelling reason for Obama not to run for president is that by jumping too soon he could ruin one of the most promising Democratic political careers in recent memory.

If Obama decides to run in 2008 and doesn't wind up as either the presidential or vice presidential nominee, he would run the risk of being perceived as yesterday's news by voters should he try to run for national office again down the line. [..]

There is also a sense in Democratic circles that Obama is simply not ready to assume the role of spokesman for his party. They argue that Obama's considerable rhetorical skills belie a somewhat wet-behind-the-ears politician who is still trying to deal with his rapid rise to political fame. [..]

GOP operatives are only too happy to remind journalists that Obama has never had to run a general election campaign against a serious GOP candidate. [..] Republicans whisper that a wealth of negative information exists about Obama that has never received any real airing in the national media, though the mere fact that this kind of talk is being spread around may say more about GOP fears of an Obama candidacy than anything the Illinois senator may or may not have done.

Still, it remains to be seen how Obama would react to an opposition research document dump against him. He has generally been wary of confrontation with Republicans since coming to the Senate. [..]

The final reason Obama should stay out of the 2008 race can be boiled down to just three words -- Hillary Rodham Clinton. The New York senator is an overwhelming favorite for the nomination in 2008, thanks to a massive fundraising and organizational machine just waiting to be turned on.

If Obama chooses to run, he would need to get around Clinton in the primaries -- a formidable challenge given the preparations she and her campaign team have already made. Putting aside Clinton, there are several other well-known politicians -- Edwards and John Kerry jump to mind -- who have considerable financial and organizational resources that would complicate Obama's effort.

Why not wait four or eight years until he can be the "Hillary" of the presidential field, the odds-on nominee, rather than just one of a handful of candidates given a chance at winning the nomination?

Time is on Obama's side. Another four or eight years will allow him to polish his political skills and build the kind of network that would make him nearly unbeatable in a future primary fight. Should he jump in 2008, he runs the risk of being a has-been by 2012. If he waits, he can work on establishing political juggernaut status.

2008: The Case for Barack Obama

Run Barack, Run!

In politics, timing is everything. If you pass on an opportunity, it might not come around again. Just ask former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo.

In the run-up to the 1992 election, Cuomo was widely seen as the frontunner for the Democratic nomination [..]. After two months of publicly hemming and hawing, Cuomo announced in December 1991 that he would not run [..].

The rest, as they say, is history. [..] By the time the office was open again in 2000, Cuomo had been out of the governor's mansion for six years [..].

Cuomo's cautionary tales hangs heavy over many Obama supporters. There's little question that Obama is the hottest political Democratic commodity in the country right now, drawing support from across the geographic and ideological spectrum. When 2,000 people show up to a state party dinner just for the chance to see Obama in person, it's clear there is an excitement level about him that no other Democratic politician (not even Hillary Rodham Clinton) can match.

[In the introduction, the article notes that "Democrats across the country want a piece of Obama -- his office says he gets 300 requests for appearance a week."]

Don't underestimate the excitement factor when it comes to presidential politics. Much of 2007 will be spent in the campaign trenches -- door-knocking, sending out mail pieces, urging small dollar donations, the kind of work that is far from glorious and can only be done well if there is a committed group of volunteers willing to do it.

For those who say Obama needs more seasoning before making a national bid, take a look at history. No senator has been directly elected president since John F. Kennedy in 1960, although scads have made the attempt. National polling shows the American public has soured considerably on Washington, and many Democratic insiders are coming to believe that the longer someone stays in Washington the less chance he or she has of being elected president.

[..] When George W. Bush made clear he would run for president in 2000, he had only six years of elected office under his belt -- and that in a state where the governor has strict limits on his power. [P]residential elections are not always decided by the candidate with the longest [..] political resume. A great candidate on paper doesn't always equal a great candidate in practice.

[..] As we have noted in this space before, the first hurdle that any serious presidential candidate must clear is a financial one. Given the likely frontloading of the nomination process (four states voting in a 15-day period in January 2008), only those candidates able to fund full campaign operations and expensive television advertising buys in multiple states will be competitive.

[..] At the moment, the candidates who appear to have the capacity to raise that kind of money are Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards (maybe), ex-Virginia Gov. Mark Warner and Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh. (Former Vice President Al Gore would also qualify for that list if he decided to run.)

Obama would immediately join that group. He raised and spent $14 million in the general election against Keyes in 2004. And [..] his Hopefund leadership PAC [has,] since its founding last year, [..] raised nearly $4 million -- putting it in the upper echelons of all leadership PACs currently operating.

The level of interest in Obama among the donor community and his fundraising base in Chicago (one of the Democratic fundraising hotspots) should erase any doubt that he could compete or eclipse every candidate but Clinton in the fundraising chase.

The other major factor recommending an Obama run in 2008 is his positioning on the Iraq war. Obama was not in the Senate in 2002 when the chamber passed the resolution authorizing President Bush to use force to remove Saddam Hussein from power. But Obama has said that he opposed the war all along, and he has been a frequent critic of the Bush administration's handling of the conflict.

This stance puts Obama in rarefied air, since Clinton, Edwards, Kerry and Bayh all voted for the resolution [..]. The only candidate likely to run (again, we are leaving Gore out of this debate) who has a so-called "clean" record on the war is Wisconsin Sen. Russ Feingold, who has not shown the capacity to raise the tens of millions he would need to be competitive.

Take all of that together and what's it spell? O-B-A-M-A 2008!