Obama '08?

I get to sit up front 'cause of the terp (unironic reason #3176...), and I'd clarify first that she could sit with me. So I think she'd be able to see fine. (If not -- if she couldn't sit with me -- I probably wouldn't take her, though I guess I'd have to think about it. I'd give up knowing what's going on by giving up access to the interpreter, but might be worth it just to bring her. I already went to one interpreted rally...)

Good point about education, JPB. Yeah, I'm leaning towards it. (And I left out a few thousand "reallys" in terms of how much she wants to go...)

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sozobe wrote:

Sozlet really-really wants to go. It's at 10:00 AM on a schoolday. I dunno. What do y'all think?

My parents took me to a bunch of demos and rallies when I was a child - I loved it. Leaves deep memories (and loyalties, for that matter :wink: ). Take her! Razz

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Thanks for the feedback! I'll tell her you guys convinced me -- expect a large and florid thank-you... ;-)

Meanwhile, has anyone read this Op-Ed yet? Ooooohhh....!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25ferraro.html

E.G.'s reaction -- "So she's taking Bush's side in Bush vs. Gore, then...?"

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sozobe wrote:

Thanks for the feedback! I'll tell her you guys convinced me -- expect a large and florid thank-you... ;-)

Good decision.

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soz- It's one thing to read about something in a history book. It is quite another to have actually been there!

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Reading Ferraro's column is like reading the expiration date on a carton of milk. Sounds like she forgot to sniff the carton before taking a gulp from the last dregs of the carton.

She spends all this time instructing the masses about how the super delegates were appointed to lead not follow and faults those who are following the populous votes in their states and switching over to Obama. Then in her closing paragraphs she switches hats and denegrates the National party leadership for the ruling and consequences applied to FL and MI and admonishes them for not following the will of the people in those two states.

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sozobe wrote:

Meanwhile, has anyone read this Op-Ed yet? Ooooohhh....!!!

Why the "Ooooohhh...!!!" Ferraro is right. There is no reason to have super-delegates if all they do is to vote as their constituents did. For that, the party already has regular delegates. Super-delegates should vote for whoever they think is the right candidate for the party. If they change their minds, it ought to reflect their changes of opinion about the candidate. It shouldn't reflect changes in their voters' opinion. Ferraro is right.

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Butrflynet wrote:

Reading Ferraro's column is like reading the expiration date on a carton of milk. Sounds like she forgot to sniff the carton before taking a gulp from the last dregs of the carton.

She spends all this time instructing the masses about how the super delegates were appointed to lead not follow and faults those who are following the populous votes in their states and switching over to Obama. Then in her closing paragraphs she switches hats and denegrates the National party leadership for the ruling and consequences applied to FL and MI and admonishes them for not following the will of the people in those two states.

Honestly, I had never heard of "superdelgates", until this campaign. I saw that broadcast and like Hillary, she makes an awful lot of noise over nothing! I had respect for her, until this! She and Hillary are full of themselves and "cheeky" about it in the process, a complete turnoff, from me. Schumer turns me off, too! :wink:

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I think Ferraro would have made a much better presidential candidate than Clinton. It is too bad she went back into private life after her VP nomination.

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Factcheck.org weighs in on the Flyer dispute:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_mailings_false.html

Here's the summary. Click the link to read the analysis.

Quote:

Obama Mailings 'False'?
February 24, 2008
Clinton says Democrats should be "outraged." You be the judge.
Summary
Clinton said "every Democrat should be outraged" at two "false" mailers that Obama sent to voters in Ohio.

We find that a mailer criticizing her position on trade is indeed misleading. One that attacks her health care plan we have previously described as straining the facts, though not exactly "false."
Trade: A mailer showing a locked plant gate quotes Clinton as saying she believed NAFTA was "a boon" to the economy. Those are not her words and Obama was wrong to put quote marks around them. In fact, she's been described by a biographer as privately opposing NAFTA in the White House.

Health Care: A second mailer said Clinton's health care plan "forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it." We have previously said that mailer "lacks context" and strains the facts. But both Obama and Clinton have been exaggerating their differences on this issue.
We've also previously criticized Clinton for sending a mailer that twisted Obama's words and gave a false picture of his proposals on Social Security, home foreclosures and energy.

We leave it to our readers to decide whether they should be "outraged" or not, and at whom.

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As a concept, I don't disagree.

Here, Ferraro's is pretty clearly implying that the superdelegates should go ahead and give Hillary the nomination. That I don't agree with.

Among other things -- who says that Hillary is the better candidate? In what sense? Polls keep on showing her losing to McCain while Obama beats McCain.

One specific "oooh!" from the Op-Ed:

Quote:

My observation is that a lot of superdelegates jumped on the Hillary bandwagon when they thought she was the inevitable nominee. Not necessarily because they felt she could best represent the party and lead the country -- they just thought she was going to win. I've referred a few times to the evidence of this in a letter from the membership of a union that endorsed Hillary to the leadership of that union. (I can find this back on request.)

Now, Obama looks like he is the one who is more electable. So people are switching. That makes sense, and is well within the purpose of superdelegates.

OK, one more:

Quote:

I don't use this emoticon much, but Rolling Eyes

. If Hillary felt so strongly about this, why didn't she fight against it at the outset? Why did she agree not to campaign in those places? How enfranchised will my Obama-supporting cousin in Florida who didn't vote 'cause she believed it wouldn't count be if whoopsie, it counts after all?

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(I was responding to Thomas -- good points from Butrflynet, too.)

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Things just keep getting sillier:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm

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The Clintons think the voters are stupid enough to fall for this kind of nonsense.

Well, maybe the People of New York are dumb for voting for her twice. Nationally, voters are tired of their childish antics.

Time for Clintons to disappear into history.

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Thanks Soz LOL

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Buttrfly:
Honestly, I'm turned off by all politics, especially the ones, who went agter Clinton, because he WAS a good President, imperfect, because he was human, the girl was throwing herself, at him and went to Washington, with that intention! That said, the hypocrites, that impeached him, hounded him, nitpicked every detail, spent millions, to learn, he and Hillary, actually LOST $40K, in the WhiteWater deal were the VILEST of hypocrites!

One had an illegitimate son, at the age of 41, from Illinois! One had a mistress, while his wife was suffering from terminal cancer, and then married her! One had a scandal with a defamed lobbyist, one had solicited pages, for his own amusement, while being against homosexuals and the piece de resistance: the bathroom scandal at the airport! What does that spell? You make the call! Not to mention the Enron scandal and other ongoing scandals!
I hope the ex-governor of Alabama has his conviction, overturned, after seeing 60 minutes, last night. A political lynching, if I ever saw one. Well, enough!

Clinton, had a surplus, the President squandered it, our country is seen as an evil empire and we have a chance to redeem ourselves. Pray for peace! Embarrassed

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And they call Obama "Messianic?"

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From the Guardian with a picture of Obama in African clothes with a turban. Clinton has now gone too far. This is beyond desperation. Evil or Very Mad

Barack Obama, right, is dressed as a Somali elder by Sheikh Mahmed Hassan, left, during his visit to Wajir in northeastern Kenya, near the borders with Somalia and Ethiopia. Photograph: AP

Barack Obama's campaign today accused Hillary Clinton of engaging in "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" over the circulation of a picture of him dressed in traditional African clothes, including a turban.

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Obama gains ground on Clinton in Ohio By Steve Holland
1 hour, 51 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama gained ground against rival Hillary Clinton in the battleground U.S. state of Ohio on Monday as their race took a negative turn.

With a week to go until a potentially pivotal vote in Ohio and Texas on March 4, a Quinnipiac University poll said Clinton leads Obama in Ohio by 51 percent to 40 percent among likely Democratic voters.

This was a narrowing from 55 percent to 34 percent lead she held less than two weeks ago, and was a sign that Obama's momentum was paying dividends in Ohio.

New York Sen. Clinton needs big victories in Ohio and Texas to salvage her campaign to be the Democratic nominee in the November election after losing 11 straight contests to Obama, a first-term Illinois senator.

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Obama gains ground on Clinton in Ohio By Steve Holland
1 hour, 51 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama gained ground against rival Hillary Clinton in the battleground U.S. state of Ohio on Monday as their race took a negative turn.

With a week to go until a potentially pivotal vote in Ohio and Texas on March 4, a Quinnipiac University poll said Clinton leads Obama in Ohio by 51 percent to 40 percent among likely Democratic voters.

This was a narrowing from 55 percent to 34 percent lead she held less than two weeks ago, and was a sign that Obama's momentum was paying dividends in Ohio.

New York Sen. Clinton needs big victories in Ohio and Texas to salvage her campaign to be the Democratic nominee in the November election after losing 11 straight contests to Obama, a first-term Illinois senator.

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