georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:07 pm
Blatham,

What possible factual or logical basis do you have for such an assertion? The response I gave reflected my own reactions to MLK and nothing else. I defy you to present any basis for a conflicting view of this or the answer I gave to OCCAM.

This is beneath you.
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teenyboone
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:09 pm
Miller wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
So how many Catholics voted for John Kennedy?


THe Irish Catholics, that's who.

Just the Irish Catholics? What about the Italian/Spanish/Black Catholics? What about Lutherans, Baptists? :wink:
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blatham
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:15 pm
george

If you're offended, I apologize for the color commentary that attended the argumentative point.

But you haven't addressed Bill's question, and mine, as to whether MLK, who did the following....he worked to advance the cause of blacks because they were blacks. He discriminated, based on race. He prejudiced his decisions and his statements on race.

If you hold, and you do so far, that a black supporting a black or a white supporting a black because they are black is therefore a racist.

And thus, under that use of your term, ML King is clearly a racist.

It's a simple consequence of your definition.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:17 pm
The only pigs in deserving of a porking are the liberal numbnuts.

Pelosi, Waxman, Kennedy, Levin, Feinstein, Clinton, Obama, Barney Frank...

Oh wait, Barney might enjoy that....
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:18 pm
ML Kiing was and remains a plagiarist amongst other things.
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teenyboone
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:27 pm
cjhsa wrote:
ML Kiing was and remains a plagiarist amongst other things.

And what pray tell, are you?
Cool
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snood
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:28 pm
Oh, please - educate us ,oh wizened sage...
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:29 pm
A conservationist. Even Green Witch agrees.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:30 pm
snood wrote:
Oh, please - educate us ,oh wizened sage...


So, jerkoff, do you just show up here at night to insult people you don't like while hiding behind your computer screen? I said come get me. What's the problem?
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:31 pm
blatham wrote:
george

If you're offended, I apologize for the color commentary that attended the argumentative point.

But you haven't addressed Bill's question, and mine, as to whether MLK, who did the following....he worked to advance the cause of blacks because they were blacks. He discriminated, based on race. He prejudiced his decisions and his statements on race.

If you hold, and you do so far, that a black supporting a black or a white supporting a black because they are black is therefore a racist.

And thus, under that use of your term, ML King is clearly a racist.

It's a simple consequence of your definition.

Thank you

Again the definition was yours, not mine, and you sourced it from a dictionary - not some rightist screed.

MLK did indeed work to advance the position of blacks. His defining moment was his leadership of the Montgomery Al bus boycot - an organized action to compel EQUAL treatment of blacks and whites on public transport in that city. He worked to achieve EQUALITY, not a new form of institutional preference. That is why he is a hero.

The theology of government enforced affirmative action came AFTER his death, and it was led by far, far lesser lights than MLK. Indeed a self serving industry grew up around it and many of its leaders profited enormously from it, Jesse Jackson prominently among them.

We have discussed affirmative action before. You know I believe that some of it was an unfortunate necessity in the early years, but we have long since passed the point at which its undesirable side effects (including the resentment of others) far outweigh the beneficial good ones.

The really decisive and needed government actions were the Voting Rights Act and some of the early Fair Employment laws.
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snood
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:32 pm
What ever gave you the idea I don't like you, old buddy? I'm deeply hurt. I think you provide a very unique and valuable service to this forum.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:32 pm
Rosa Parks was a hero. MLK was nothing more than an early version of Jesse Jackson. Nobody knew it then....
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blatham
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:33 pm
OK...I got this thread a mile south. I apologize.

No more off-topic from me here.
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Asherman
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:36 pm
Lets ask a question in return. Was MLK's life's work intended to perpetuate the racial divide while "leveling the playing field", or was it with the dream that "race" would someday be regarded as a nonsensical categorization of human being? If MLK believed that Negros should be treated differently based solely on that characteristic, then he was as racist as Louis Farrakhan. I don't believe that. I believe that most Americans today, regardless of their sex, ethnic origins, or the color of their skin have progressed far beyond that simplistic notion. Whites who make their voting decisions based on "race" are probably racists. Blacks who make their voting decisions based on "race" are also probably racists. Indeed, for a candidate whose hopes for election are based on "race", or "gender", are probably "racist" and/or "sexual chauvinists".

John McCain's appeal isn't to any particular gender, or race, but to all Americans whose primary interest is in the welfare and security of our nation. "Old White Men" will support the candidacies of Hillary Clinton, or Obama, because they've bought into the left-wing liberal cant that the two Democratic candidates are well known for. Young Black women who prize initiative, personal and fiscal responsiblity, and dedication to traditional American values will support John McCain, even if he has pasty skin tones, white hair, and stands at a urinal.

The 2008 election campaign isn't about race or gender, unless the Democratic candidates make it so, and it appears that some of their supporters at least would like race and gender to be important factors in making a choice. Character, competence and capability have nothing to do with race or gender, so why can't the Democrats get over that shibboleth?
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:41 pm
Well said, Asherman.

However, sensing exposure, they have already retreated, feigning sorrow for "diverting " the thread from its intended topic.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:42 pm
I just find it hard to believe that Obama (a black candidate) gets 80% of the black vote, and it has nothing to do with his or his voter's race.
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snood
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:46 pm
Yeah, we sense exposure. Yeah, that's what it is.
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:48 pm
snood wrote:
Yeah, we sense exposure. Yeah, that's what it is.

Why hide behind such an indefinite statement? If you have an alternative explanation, why not say it.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:50 pm
I think snood is hiding behind and from more than that.
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snood
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 09:08 pm
Yeah, you know me, old buddy.
Laughing



OBAMARAMA!!!!!!!!!!
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