Miller
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 03:48 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Do you really care how blatham regards you?

Speak on brother and worry not about blatham's disregard.


Good advice! Laughing
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snood
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 03:49 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Butrflynet, I'm afraid no matter how good Obama may be in giving speeches, the solution to fix our economy is going to take decades. Our econony has been too bastaredized for easy short-term solutions. It's not only jobs that continue to pay lower and lower wages, but the deficit spending by both consumers and our government.

Lowering the interest rate only exacerbates what's already bad about our economy, and giving one-time cash rebates to taxpayers does nothing for the short-term or long-term. We have a bunch of idiots in Washington; they only do things they think wins votes.

We all know what a sham is, and our government continues to do all the wrong things. They continue to fund the war in Iraq while our own citizens lose jobs, lose homes, and lose health insurance.

It's hopeless.


...a little down lately, C.I.?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 05:31 am
Foxfyre wrote:
And meanwhile New Mexico is counting. . . .and counting. . . .and counting. . . .


http://i28.tinypic.com/263wt3c.jpg
source: Albuquerque Journal, 15.02.08, page A1
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woiyo
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:01 am
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sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:26 am
Snood, yes, I had the exact same reaction re: Lewis!

I was so disappointed in his performance on Newshour -- he was so obviously spouting talking points rather than speaking his own mind. It's nice to see him shrug that off.

I'm not sure if it makes a huge difference practically -- Obama is past the point of really needing help with the black community -- but symbolically it's huge IMO.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:29 am
Drove past the building where Hillary was speaking last night (incidentally, on the way to doing something else) while she was speaking, seriously considered trying to get in and ask a question (I was mentally rehearsing the one about the above issue [MI/FL]), but I knew the chances of ME actually asking a question were vanishingly small plus I had stuff to do.

Didn't look too crowded from my angle, haven't read any coverage yet.

In touch with people who are working on getting an interpreter for the Michelle Obama rally today, trying to decide if I'll go if they don't get one.
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fishin
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:50 am
snood wrote:
Buck up, Butrflynet, and all you other Obama supporters...

This, I believe, can be taken only as GOOD NEWS to those of us who believe Obama is the best way to go in this presidential race. John Lewis, the Congressman who is a civil rights icon and has been solidly in Clinton's corner - has come over to Obama's side. He is now saying he would cast his vote as a superdelegate for Obama, in order to avoid the kind of destructive schism that might occur if the superdelegates resisted the clear wishes of the constituency.

I am overjoyed at this - Lewis was one of the main ones of the old guard of civil rights leaders who I was most discouraged about being in Clinton's corner. This is big, IMO.



This makes for 2 superdelegates that have jumped ship publicly. (Representative David Scott of Georgia had already done so...)

Expect more in the coming weeks. Wink
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sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:53 am
That's Andrew Sullivan's prediction, too. He says:

Quote:
A figure like Lewis also brings, for good reason, a vast moral credibility with him. He gives permission - even encouragement - for other Clinton super-delegates to move to prevent a bruising and bitter fight through the spring. It's a tipping point. I predict others will follow.
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:54 am
snood wrote:
(by the way to you more technically skilled, how do I shorten the length of a link, or change its name, to fit it in more conveniently?)

Do it like this:
http://www.website.com
Add "[url=" before the link and "]title it here[/url]" after it. The finished example above would look like this:

Code:[url=http://www.website.com]Here[/url]


Where I wrote "Here", is where you title your link whatever you wish. Just make sure there is no space before or after the beginning of your title.
You can check your work before posting by hitting the preview button if you need to.

Ps The green code was used to show you the function. Otherwise; the example would have performed the function rather than show it. To show you how that's done; I'll show you the exact same line absent the final bracket "]"
[code]Here[/code

Enjoy!
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:00 am
You mean like this?

[borat]http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/y/c/1/obama_borat_parody.jpg[/borat]
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blatham
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:19 am
Josh Marshall this morning...
Quote:
Won't Go There
In the thick of a campaign it is easy to overrate the importance of an endorsement or a political hit. But it is difficult to overstate the significance of John Lewis' switch from the Clinton to Obama camps because it is a devastating blow on two or three levels wrapped together in a single person. Lewis' historic and moral stature in the African-American community and in the modern Democratic party bulks very large. "In recent days, there is a sense of movement and a sense of spirit," Lewis told the Times. "Something is happening in America, and people are prepared and ready to make that great leap." This is a curious statement as he seems to be suggesting that his earlier endorsement of Clinton was based on his own failure to set his sights sufficiently high. What's more, the willingness of a high-profile politician not simply to endorse one candidate but to switch from one to another (at least in terms of who he believes he'll vote for as a super delegate) is a powerful sign that a tipping point is at hand.

But the most immediate and significant import is Lewis's signal that whatever the basis of his original endorsement he is unwilling to join Clinton in carving a path to the nomination through the heart of the Democratic party. The tell in Lewis's announcement is that he is not technically withdrawing his endorsement from Hillary, at least not yet. He is saying that as a super delegate (which is by virtue of being a member of Congress) he plans to vote for Obama at the convention. On Wednesday the Clinton camp started pushing hard on the idea that a delegate is a delegate and if they need to pack on super delegates to overwhelm Obama's edge with elected delegates then so be it. A win is a win is a win. I take this as Lewis saying he just won't sign on for that.

This also points to an argument I tried to make in today's episode of TPMtv. The Clinton camp's super delegate gambit is not only audacious. Far more than that it is simply unrealistic...
more at link http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
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blatham
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:33 am
Piece on the seating of candidates and John Dean's possible role/influence at McClatchy...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/27715.html
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sozobe
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:57 am
sozobe wrote:
Didn't look too crowded from my angle, haven't read any coverage yet.


Quote:
"Isn't it great that we've seen women astronauts?" Clinton told the crowd of about 2,500 gathered at the French Field House at Ohio State University. "We have seen so much change in a relatively short period of time."


Quote:
Towards the end of the nearly 30-minute speech, some attendees started trickling out. It's Valentine's Day, after all, and a few told The Trail that they had dates. But Aisling McKeom, a marketing student at Ohio State, said she's leaving because the speech left her uninspired. "She was talking about the usual things she talks about. I want to support her. I want to support what could our first female president. I'm just not sure she's the one," the 19-year-old told The Trail. McKeom said she's leaning towards Obama.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/14/shooting_for_the_stars_clinton_1.html
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mysteryman
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:10 am
blatham wrote:
MM

My respect for you is already on thin ice. Please cease with the ridiculous "chicom". It makes you look like another cliche-for-brains freerepublic toadie.


I apologize for that abbreviation.
I dont normally do that, but the fire alarm was going off and I had to finish my thought quick and get ready to go.


It turned out to be a false alarm and we were recalled before we even left the station.
If you have read my posts you know I dont abbreviate like that.
Once again I apologize.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:12 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
With this news, Obama's overall lead shrinks to 42 delegates, per CNN. His lead in Pledged delegates shrinks to 119, per CNN.

Cycloptichorn


You are affixed to the mathematics of this race - it will not, as have we wagered, be determined so.


Oh, but it will - if Obama gets ahead by enough, more then the amount of delegates that Clinton could possibly hope to get from FL and MI being reinstated, then my chances of winning the wager are almost assured.

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:24 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
blatham wrote:
MM

My respect for you is already on thin ice. Please cease with the ridiculous "chicom". It makes you look like another cliche-for-brains freerepublic toadie.


MM - Do you really care how blatham regards you?

Actually, no I dont.
But that doesnt mean I am going to go out of my way to insult or embarass someone either.
And he was right, I did use an abbreviation that I dont normally use and that is a cliche.


There are a few A2K icons and far less A2K sages. Blatham, in this case, would lay claim to membership in both groups.

Speak on brother and worry not about blatham's disregard.


I dont worry about anyones regard or disregard of what I say, I never have.
But I am adult enough to admit when I was wrong, and in this case I was.
There were extenuating circumstances that were involved, and I have explained them.

Trust me, I will continue to say what I am thinking, without worrying about what others think.
I never have and I never will.


BTW, in case anyone cares, I just got promoted to Lt on the fire dept.
Thats why the new pic.
I get to wear a red shirt now.
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:42 am
blatham wrote:
Josh Marshall this morning...


In the piece above that Blatham pasted here we see that Josh Marshal suggests that John Lewis' switch of his endorsement (and forthcoming superdelegate vote) from Hillary Clinton to Barac Obama is a necessary consequence of the Clinton's attempts to "tear the heart out of the Democrat party". There is of course another explanation that is equally consistent with the facts as we know them. Namely that this is an act of racism on the part of John Lewis. I recognize that it is a gross violation of the cannon of political correctitude to suggest that an African American can, under any circumstances be guilty, of racism. However as we have already seen on these threads the fact that southern white males voted predominantly for Hillary in the earlier Democrat primaries was generally accepted - almost without comment - as a sufficient proof of racism on their part. No one has raised the corresponding point about Black voters and no one about John Lewis. I am correcting that omission.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:45 am
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Josh Marshall this morning...


In the piece above that Blatham pasted here we see that Josh Marshal suggests that John Lewis' switch of his endorsement (and forthcoming superdelegate vote) from Hillary Clinton to Barac Obama is a necessary consequence of the Clinton's attempts to "tear the heart out of the Democrat party". There is of course another explanation that is equally consistent with the facts as we know them. Namely that this is an act of racism on the part of John Lewis. I recognize that it is a gross violation of the cannon of political correctitude to suggest that an African American can, under any circumstances be guilty, of racism. However as we have already seen on these threads the fact that southern white males voted predominantly for Hillary in the earlier Democrat primaries was generally accepted - almost without comment - as a sufficient proof of racism on their part. No one has raised the corresponding point about Black voters and no one about John Lewis. I am correcting that omission.


Lewis had every opportunity to support Obama as a fellow black man from day one. Why did he not do so? Why is he now switching?

If race were the primary motivator, it doesn't explain the timing whatsoever.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 11:55 am
I also disagree with georgeob's opinion about the Lewis switch as racial; the Clintons' have enjoyed support from the black communities for years.
The Lewis switch is based on his assessment of the trends towards a Obama electability; a true liberal.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 15 Feb, 2008 12:01 pm
The timing is obvious -- until recently it simply didn't appear that Obama had much of a chance of winning the nomination.

I don't claim to know Lewis' inner motives - they are unknowable. However, by exactly the same standard as has been applied on these threads to white voters in the South in earlier primaries (and generally accepted by others without comment) racism is indeed a likely motive for both Lewis and the majiority of Black voters.

I recognize this is like saying the emperor has no clothes, and note your reactions - just as Hans Christian Anderson described them.
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