joefromchicago
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:21 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
...Here's a relatively mild example of the effort here -- a story in the New York Sun about how Obama supporter Zbigniew Brzezinski (the article calls him an 'advisor' -- he's probably something between a supporter and advisor) is leading a delegation to Syria sponsored by the highly controversial left-wing Rand Corporation. ...
--Josh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

When did the RAND Corporation become left-wing?
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blatham
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:24 am
LOL...missed that entirely. We'll see how quickly Josh picks that one up.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:31 am
Just got a connection again after about 24 hrs... will probably be temporary.

I actually hand-wrote the following last night but I see it's been covered by fishin and nimh -- I'm going to say it anyway.

sozobe wrote:
There's a big problem with Hillary talking about her "ability" to win the big states (NY, CA, etc....) These are the Democratic bulwarks! People won't NOT vote Democratic because Obama is the nominee instead of her. People like Obama, too (exit polls). [Since then I read an Anna Quindlen column in Newsweek saying the same thing -- most people are choosing between two candidates they like, and will happily vote for the 2nd choice.] It's much more important to be able to compete in red states.


I'll add that Ohio is meaningful that way, and I'm sure hoping it goes for Obama. I've signed up for volunteering and am looking forward to getting to work!
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:35 am
Re: JFK's Speechwriter Now Putting Words Into Obama Campaign
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
If you wonder why Barack Obama's speeches remind you of the speeches of John and Robert Kennedy, it's because their speech writer, Ted Sorenson, is writing Obama's speeches. ---BBB


Well, no. Obama writes some, and writes others in collaboration with some other guy (I forget his name, it's the same as that one guy from Swingers but I can't remember that name either right now -- the non-Vince-Vaughn-guy). Sorenson "is now lending his creativity and support to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama." Is now. As in, must have recently started. And isn't doing that much:

Quote:
According to reports, Sorenson has now become close with the young speechwriters in Obama's camp -- and has occasionally thrown in a creative phrase or a clever one-liner to be used during one of the senator's future exhortations.


Certainly not "writing Obama's speeches."
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kickycan
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:42 am
Re: JFK's Speechwriter Now Putting Words Into Obama Campaign
sozobe wrote:
Obama writes some, and writes others in collaboration with some other guy (I forget his name, it's the same as that one guy from Swingers but I can't remember that name either right now -- the non-Vince-Vaughn-guy).


John Favreau?
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:43 am
YES!

Thank you.

Just Jon though (no "h").
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kickycan
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:45 am
He's not the Jon Favreau, I just found out. Too bad. That would have been so money!
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:46 am
:-D (Love that movie.)
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:49 am
And since I'm being nitpicky I'll nitpick myself and say that "[Obama] writes some in collaboration with [guy who turned out to be Jon Favreau, smooches to kicky]" isn't completely accurate. Favreau writes them, gives 'em to Obama who messes with 'em, gives 'em to Favreau who messes more, etc. I'd call it collaboration but Favreau does most of the writing of the normal speeches. (Obama's biggest speeches tend to be all or mostly him -- 2004 convention, Iowa Jefferson-Jackson, etc.)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:55 am
Hey Soz, you FIRED UP yet?!

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 10:58 am
Who me?

I'm Minnesotan.

And superstitious.

I'll be cautiously optimistic (allowing myself discreet victory dances for individual primary wins) until Obama actually wins the nomination.

No no no until he actually stands there and takes the oath of office January 20th, 2009.

THEN -- IF it happens -- I'm gonna be firey-er than a damn volcano.

:-D


(Did I say "if"? I did. OK.)
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Miller
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:00 am
Re: JFK's Speechwriter Now Putting Words Into Obama Campaign
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
If you wonder why Barack Obama's speeches remind you of the speeches of John and Robert Kennedy, it's because their speech writer, Ted Sorenson, is writing Obama's speeches. ---BBB

JFK's Speechwriter Now Putting Words Into Obama Campaign
Written by: Doug G. Ware
Email: [email protected]
Last Update: 2/09/08

Theodore C. Sorensen, Special Counsel and primary speechwriter to U.S. President John F. Kennedy. (Abbie Rowe - National Park Service)
"He is more like John F. Kennedy than any other candidate of our time" - Ted Sorenson, adviser to JFK, about Barack Obama NEW YORK CITY - The man who actually hand-wrote some of the most popular and historic words ever heard from the White House is now lending his creativity and support to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Theodore Chaikin "Ted" Sorenson was Pres. John F. Kennedy's speechwriter in the early 1960s. He wrote some of Kennedy's most-remembered speeches and conducted some of the Administration's most critical business -- that sometimes went far beyond the realistic expectations of a mere wordsmith.

In fact, some historians say Sorenson's talents saved the world from nuclear destruction.

Sorenson, who turns 80 in May, has long been retired from actual speechwriting but he now feels compelled to lend creative service to who he feels is the country's best option right now: Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.

"I endorsed Barack Obama for president... because he is more like John F. Kennedy than any other candidate of our time," Sorensen said recently.

He also noted similarities between Kennedy and Obama, like how both canddiates were called "too young" and "inexperienced." Sorenson also makes mention of the social challenges both candidates had to face; Kennedy being a Roman Catholic and Obama being an Afro-American.

"The times are too important. We have got to have someone with judgment leading this country," he said. "I'm supporting Obama because I believe he has that same spirit, that same desire to call to public service... especially the young people, but all the citizens to live up to their obligations." (Watch video of Sorenson endorsing Obama)

Sorenson graduated from the University of Nebraska and immediately went to work for John Kennedy. By the time the Massachusetts senator became president in 1960, Sorenson was penning his speeches -- including the famed words on inauguration day 1961 that urged Americans to "ask not what your country can do for you... ask what you can do for your country."

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., shares a laugh with reporters during a flight from St. Louis to Wilmington, Del., Sunday, Feb. 3, 2008. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)
According to reports, Sorenson has now become close with the young speechwriters in Obama's camp -- and has occasionally thrown in a creative phrase or a clever one-liner to be used during one of the senator's future exhortations. In addition, Sorensen is said to be giving advice and support to the Obama campaign.

It would almost be unthinkable for Obama to refuse the offering, too. Sorenson's acts during 13 days in October 1962 are believed, by some, to have saved the world from nuclear annihilation.

In addition to being JFK's primary speechwriter, Sorensen also served as Special Counsel and Adviser to the president -- meaning he weilded significant influence when it came to matters, foreign and domestic. The foreign part was put to use at the start of the Cuban Missile Crisis on Oct. 14, 1962.

President Kennedy and Sorensen drafted communications to be sent to the Soviet Union with hopes of striking a deal to stop the crisis. Soviet ships carrying nuclear warheads were bound for Cuba -- less than 100 miles from the U.S. cost -- while other missiles were already being put together on the island.

At one point during the crisis, Sorensen even met with a carrier for the KGB on a Washington, D.C. street, where he exchanged a newspaper that contained an important message for the president.

In the film Thirteen Days (2000), a retelling of the crisis, Sorenson is played by actor Tim Kelleher and is portrayed as a crafty speechwriter that, accurately, contributed greatly to the situation.

Obama's campaign can certainly use Sorenson's proven skills as many polls indicate that he lacks Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. However, the two are neck-and-neck in the amount of delegates they have secured so far; 832 to 821 for Clinton and Obama, respectively.

2,025 delegates are needed for the official nomination.
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:05 am
sozobe wrote:
And since I'm being nitpicky I'll nitpick myself and say that "[Obama] writes some in collaboration with [guy who turned out to be Jon Favreau, smooches to kicky]" isn't completely accurate. Favreau writes them, gives 'em to Obama who messes with 'em, gives 'em to Favreau who messes more, etc. I'd call it collaboration but Favreau does most of the writing of the normal speeches. (Obama's biggest speeches tend to be all or mostly him -- 2004 convention, Iowa Jefferson-Jackson, etc.)


How do you REALLY know this? There is a fairly large community of speech writers out there serving both parties. History tends to show, after the fact, that the speechwriter's produced most of the material, often from outline points which the principal and his advisors crafted. While most of the principals - presidents and candidates - edited the final product a bit, it was generally described as having been written jointly by the principal and the speechwriters -- just as you have described with Obama.
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mysteryman
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:07 am
sozobe wrote:

No no no until he actually stands there and takes the oath of office January 20th, 2009.

THEN -- IF it happens -- I'm gonna be firey-er than a damn volcano.

:-D


(Did I say "if"? I did. OK.)


And if he doesnt win either the nomination or the election?

Will you be as quiet as an extinct volcano?
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:12 am
I pointed out the problem with BBB's summary of the article, though (all it says is that Sorenson "has occasionally thrown in a creative phrase or a clever one-liner to be used during one of the senator's future exhortations.")

I have read Obama's first book, though, which nobody seems to doubt that he wrote all by himself, and I recognize his "voice."

He wrote the convention speech, too. I don't KNOW this anymore than I know anything else that I get from reputable sources, but I don't see any particular reason to doubt it.
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Green Witch
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:13 am
I think it's just great to see people actually excited about a candidate. Most of the time people aren't voting for a candidate, but rather against the other one.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:14 am
mysteryman wrote:
And if he doesnt win either the nomination or the election?

Will you be as quiet as an extinct volcano?


I'd try, but I probably wouldn't be able to manage it. I'd be deeply disappointed. I've definitely prepared myself for that possibility, though.
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mysteryman
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:20 am
sozobe wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
And if he doesnt win either the nomination or the election?

Will you be as quiet as an extinct volcano?


I'd try, but I probably wouldn't be able to manage it. I'd be deeply disappointed. I've definitely prepared myself for that possibility, though.


I honestly hope he does beat Hillary and win the nomination.
Not because I am committed to any candidate yet, but I do think the contrast in campaigns and policies between him and John McCain will be very interesting to watch.

I have a fantasy idea about what I think a good ticket would be, but I know it wont happen.
If John McCain wins the presidential election, I would love to see him ask Obaba to be his VP.
I think that we would get the best of both worlds that way.
If Obama wins the presidency, I would love to see him name McCain as his VP for exactly the same reason.

But, I know that isnt going to happen, but I do wonder why not.
Is there some law somewhere that says the winner of the race cant ask the loser to be his or her VP?
If it could be done, I think it would be a winning combination because it would put the 2 highest vote getters, and the 2 that most people wanted to win, in the WH.
I would think everyone would be happy with that.
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kickycan
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:44 am
How about Obama and Colin Powell?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 13 Feb, 2008 12:20 pm
Why Is Paul Krugman So Hostile To Barack Obama?

Paul Krugman has written a number of pieces that are highly critical of Barack Obama. Krugman is a distinguished economist as well as an exceptional writer, and on issues of substance, he raises reasonable questions and offers plausible objections. But as many people have noticed, the tone and intensity of Krugman's pieces are puzzling. It seems almost personal--a kind of campaign.

What accounts for this?

I don't know the full answer, but here's a significant part of it: Krugman and Obama have different approaches to political disagreement. Krugman likes partisanship, and Obama does not. In a revealing column in January 2007, Krugman cited Obama's lament that "politics has become so bitter and partisan," and rejected the Senator's suggestion that we have to become less partisan in order to solve our problems. In Krugman's view, we need an FDR, not a consensus-seeking Eisenhower. Politicians have "to tackle the big problems despite bitter partisan opposition."

Rejecting Obama's claim that we should begin with a new period of bipartisanship, Krugman quoted, with evident admiration, FDR's famous statement, in 1936, "Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred."

Krugman insisted that politicians who seek "a new New Deal" should welcome the hatred of the right. Obama doesn't hate those who disagree with him, and he does not welcome people's hatred. Krugman seems to hate that.

In a December 2007 column in Slate, Krugman amplified his views about partisanship and polarization. He wrote that "any attempt to change America's direction, to implement a real progressive agenda, will necessarily be highly polarizing." He suggested that "what we need is partisanship." He lamented the idea that Democrats should "play nice." More specifically, he attributed Obama's "highly favorable coverage" in the press to a (misguided) longing "for an end to the polarization and partisanship of the Bush years."

Krugman and Obama do appear to have a legitimate difference about strategy. Krugman thinks that problems cannot be solved without squarely accepting bitter opposition, while Obama thinks that problems are best solved by attempting to listen to opponents, to learn from them, and to defuse their opposition.

But I doubt that Krugman's writings about Obama are adequately explained by a dispute about strategy. Undoubtedly Krugman is right on some issues, and surely Obama would, on those issues, be willing to fight for his commitments. Undoubtedly Obama is right on some issues, and surely Krugman would agree that some of the time, bipartisan approaches are best.

I think that the difference between the two goes deeper, and that it is really one of temperament. This is a speculation, but it is not otherwise easy to explain Krugman's seemingly visceral hostility to Barack Obama.

--Cass R. Sunstein -SLATE
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