Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:34 am
Please stop spamming up the thread, you can just post the title of the bill.

I normally count 'getting things done' as bills which are signed and passed into law. People propose bills all the time. The political experience which Clinton is supposedly so full of is about getting things done.

The wounded service member thing is not bad; but the speech on Iraq? C'mon. That's not leadership. She voted for that damn war and has voted to extend it consistently.

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:15 am
Quote:
I think that you should worry about the money. I think that you will see the donations for her drop off quite a bit after Saturday, and then next Tuesday. Too high a percentage of donors are maxed out for it to continue at a high pace.

What really strikes me about what you've written is that this thing just isn't going according to plan for you! You say that Hillary has 'waited for 8 years.' Nobody is guaranteed or owed anything. Hillary will have to fight to win it.

Are you willing to admit that you are afraid she is going to lose?

Btw, Obama is up to 6.5 million by now.

Cycloptichorn


Sellin donuts, like I said.

When Hillary ran for the Senate in NYState, everyone said she couldn't win. She was too polarizing, blah blah blah.

She did win, even though the money she raised for her campaign was very small compared to that of her opponent. She was so successful, in fact that the next time she ran, her Republican opponent could not raise enough money to launch a successful campaign.

It takes more than money to win a campaign.

And yes, I'll admit that I fear that she might not win. There are no guarantees. And who wouldn't be afraid that their candidate wouldn't make it? Are you afraid?

However, I believe she has a better chance of winning than Obama has. Count the delegates. Obama can't win Texas. The reason she won by such a respectable margin in California, despite all the hoopla about the "huge endorsements of the John and Ted Kennedys and the wife of the very popular governor, is because the women and Latinos stuck with her. Look at the statistics. And they will do the same in Texas for the same reasons. Teddy Kennedy carries less weight among Texas Democrats than he does in California and Mass. She even carried the Catholics.

And when they seat the Florida and Michigan delegates Obama can't win. And, in light of this the super delegates will remain true to the commitments they have already made. They would be foolish to do otherwise.

And it's inevitable that the DNC will eventually seat those delegates. If they don't they deserve to lose the election. If those delegates are disenfranchised, there will way more trouble than it's worth. They've been punished enough by not being able to cash in on the early primary that violated the DNC rules. That will be sufficient to deter other states from trying it next time. There is no advantage for any state to violate the rules because they got nothing out of it. Not anything they wanted by moving the date up. So other states will be smart enough to not try it again. It's about revenue. Therefore there is no advantage to denying those delegates a seat at the convention. The decision will be made by a committee of 38 or so members. If they cut off their noses to spite their faces, they'll deserve what they get.

It was foolish of the DNC to think they could regulate by punishment in the first place. If they want to do something about the danger of everyone scheduling an earlier and earlier primary, then we should work for a nation wide primary. It's not fair the way it is anyway. Those of us in Oregon don't have our primary until May 6.

None of the candidates campaigned in Florida. Both Obama and Clinton held a few limited fund raisers, which was allowed. Only Obama bought time for national TV ads in that state. But Hillary won with a very respectable margin. Explain that when you're considered whether she'll make it or not.

If all you can say to me, after I asked for a reasoned consideration of my point of view is to accuse me of being afraid that Hillary will lose.....and your point about that is what, exactly?....... and to to brag and gloat about Obama's fund raising machine, as if that proved anything, then I won't take you any more seriously than you take me. You're only motivating the Hillary supporters by your blind arrogance.

You don't appear to want to have a reasoned debate about the candidates or the issues. You apparently want to simply dismiss me. Good luck.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:18 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Please stop spamming up the thread, you can just post the title of the bill.

I normally count 'getting things done' as bills which are signed and passed into law. People propose bills all the time. The political experience which Clinton is supposedly so full of is about getting things done.

The wounded service member thing is not bad; but the speech on Iraq? C'mon. That's not leadership. She voted for that damn war and has voted to extend it consistently.

Cycloptichorn


There are others, but I got interrupted. I'll now go back to my assigned task.

And while I'm at it. Can you show me what Obama has accomplished, other than voting present?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:26 am
Quote:

However, I believe she has a better chance of winning than Obama has. Count the delegates. Obama can't win Texas.


I'll be sure to let him know.

Texas is 25% black in registered dems and 1/3 of the state is caucuses. Latinos won't be as much of a factor.

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:31 am
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=291450

Clinton Amendment Calling for Comprehensive Assessment of Military Readiness Signed Into Law

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=291453

Clinton Proposal to Combat Nuclear Terrorism Signed Into Law

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=291451

Clinton Plan to Ensure Oversight of U.S. Action in Darfur Signed Into Law

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=291452

Clinton Amendments to Aid Servicemembers and their Families Signed Into Law

Measures Included in the FY 2008 Department of Defense Authorization Act

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=291453

Clinton Proposal to Combat Nuclear Terrorism Signed Into Law

Measure Included in the FY 2008 Department of Defense Authorization Act

Here are some. I'm still working on it.......back in a minute.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:34 am
You listed 'Clinton proposal to combat nuclear terrorism' twice.

Guess it's really important to ya...

Look, you don't need to go on, if you are going to list off amendment after amendment....

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:37 am
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=291454

Clinton Proposal to Address National Security Risks Posed by Global Warming Signed Into Law

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=291459

Dodd, Clinton Hail Signing of Legislation to Extend Family and Medical Leave for Families of Wounded Servicemembers

These were all in January, 2008

I'm still working........let me know when it's enough.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:39 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
You listed 'Clinton proposal to combat nuclear terrorism' twice.

Guess it's really important to ya...

Look, you don't need to go on, if you are going to list off amendment after amendment....

Cycloptichorn


I don't mind going on, because, as I've already explained, it is very important to me.

Why are you still up......because you could care less?

Have you come up with anything from Obama yet? I'm curious.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:48 am
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=289515

NY, NJ Senators Announce Senate Passage of Legislation to Reduce Flight Delays in New York/New Jersey Airspace Region

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=282499

Senator Clinton Welcomes Senate Passage of Legislation to Provide $100 Million in Federal Funding for New York's Bridges

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=283475

Schumer, Clinton Announce One Million Dollars to New York State Department of Transportation for Bridge Improvements on Interstate 88


I'm still working on it. Stand by.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:48 am
Here's something interesting for ya.

:

SD 14 -- 8 delegates (Liberal Part of Austin)
SD 13 -- 7 delegates (Black Area of Houston)
SDs 23, 25 -- 6 delegates each (Liberal South Austin and Black Area of Dallas
SDs 10, 17 -- 5 delegates each (Black Area's of S.E. Texas and Dallas)
SDs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 11, 12, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 26 -- 4 delegates each
SDs 6, 7, 9, 22, 24, 27, 28, 29, 30 -- 3 delegates each
SD 31 -- 1 delegate

Texas has structural advantages for Obama. The college crowd and the African American vote are concentrated into districts - thanks Republicans! - which will go heavily Obama. He's going to win on the delegates in the state one way or another. But I think he'll win it outright.

I'm editing a video for my girl; she has a presentation tomorrow.

I hope ya have what it takes to keep coming and posting here as things get worse and worse for Clinton. You know she's going to do poorly this whole month, yet you think she's going to win Texas?

From Wikipedia:

Quote:
109th Congress
Senate bill sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Obama discuss the Coburn-Obama Transparency Act.
Senate bill sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Obama discuss the Coburn-Obama Transparency Act.[55]

Obama took an active role in the Senate's drive for improved border security and immigration reform. In 2005, he co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).[56] He later added three amendments to the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act", which passed the Senate in May 2006, but failed to gain majority support in the U.S. House of Representatives.[57] In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act, authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the Mexico-United States border.[58] President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law in October 2006, calling it "an important step toward immigration reform."[59]

Partnering first with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN), and then with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. "Lugar-Obama" expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[60] The "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act" provides for a web site, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.[61] In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.[62]

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.[63] Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that "the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel."[64] He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.[65] The speech touched off a public debate among rival leaders, some formally challenging Obama's remarks as unfair and improper, others defending his positions.[66]

110th Congress

In the first month of the newly Democratic-controlled 110th Congress, Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D-WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.[67] He joined Charles Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.[68] Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with John McCain (R-AZ) of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, but were skeptical of his support for a bill promoting liquefied coal production.[69] Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.[70]

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.[71][dead link] He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry,[72] and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.[73] Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.[74] After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."[75]


He has about the same number of bills signed into law as she does. I will say that she leads on bullshit amendments tho.

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 03:00 am
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=290004

Clinton Announces Measure to Bar Bonuses for Underperforming Homeland Security Contractors Signed into Law

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=290002

Clinton Announces Measure to Stop Downsizing of Key Homeland Security Agency Signed into Law

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=290003

Clinton Announces Measure Signed into Law Requiring GAO Study on Shared Border Management

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=290004

Clinton Announces Measure to Bar Bonuses for Underperforming Homeland Security Contractors Signed into Law

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=289991

Senator Clinton Announces Department of Homeland Security Inspector General to Launch Investigation of Contractor Bonuses at Her Urging

All these just in the last 5 months........more on their way
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 03:02 am
Quote:
I will say that she leads on bullshit amendments tho.


You have a way of expressing your opinion as if it were fact.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 03:03 am
Well, I'm going to bed, so have fun.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 03:05 am
Lola wrote:
Quote:
I will say that she leads on bullshit amendments tho.


You have a way of expressing your opinion as if it were fact.


Shocked

Quote:
Obama can't win Texas.


Pot, meet Kettle.

I understand that anyone can go to Clinton's or Obama's webpage and cut and paste everything there. Thanks tho.

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 03:08 am
Nighty night.........
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 03:12 am
http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=289766

December 17, 2007

Schumer and Clinton Announce Nearly $300,000 for United Auto Workers Region 9 Training Initiative Included in the Omnibus Spending Bill


Oh here's one more......

There were many more......but I take it you petered out.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 05:16 am
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/07/clinton_obama_hunker_down_for_prolonged_battle_for_delegates/

I must say, on reflection, I agree with Bernie. If Democrats keep fighting like this, we'll quite simply have McCain for president.

The truth is that no one knows who is going to win. It's a dead heat. In the meantime the money we could raise has been spent on the nominating process. It's going to cost us all a lot in a time of economic crisis. And we won't know for a long time yet. At least, this way, I'll actually get to vote in my primary and have it count for something.

We should all have seen it coming. Once again the Democrats destroy themselves. What did Obama think, it would be easy? He could enter the race in which Hillary was already positioned to become the long awaited first female president and he'd win without a big battle? Did he think he could run and not violently divide the party?

I'm afraid the damage is already done. Emotions are running so high and will only go higher. It is in fact causing a racial and generational divide. Obama says he doesn't want it to be about race or gender, apparently he doesn't care about a generational split. How naive. How ignorant about human nature. How foolish when we could have worked together to meet our goals, goals we actually share, one at a time. No matter who wins, we'll all have a very sour taste in our mouths. And I think it will take a long time to heal.

Congratulations Republicans.......all you had to do was sit back and let us kill each other.
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joefromchicago
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 06:17 am
Lola wrote:
What did Obama think, it would be easy? He could enter the race in which Hillary was already positioned to become the long awaited first female president and he'd win without a big battle? Did he think he could run and not violently divide the party?

Damned uppity negro!
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ebrown p
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 06:42 am
Lola wrote:
What did Obama think, it would be easy? He could enter the race in which Hillary was already positioned to become the long awaited first female president and he'd win without a big battle? Did he think he could run and not violently divide the party?


Lola,

I don't buy the idea that Hillary came "already positioned" and that Obama is somehow spoiling what is rightfully hers.

This is the worst part of the Clinton argument.
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FreeDuck
 
  1  
Thu 7 Feb, 2008 08:56 am
What, did he think he could "jump the line" that Hillary's been waiting in for the last 8 years? Quite frankly, bullshit. Nobody is entitled to the nomination.
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