Steve 41oo
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 05:19 am
just like to check in and get out the Obama vote.

I'm interested in this election (for the first time in years) because

its close
Obama is interesting
its the end of George W Bush.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Tue 5 Feb, 2008 06:12 am
Cyclops: have you read this Op-ed by David Brooks this am? The Cooper Concern. More about Clinton's mandates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/opinion/05brooks.html?ex=1359954000&en=ad
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JPB
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 07:39 am
Saw Hillary referring to herself as "The Uniter". Right, and I'm a midget. Off to vote. Finally decided to vote in the Democratic primary today. It won't be for Hillary.
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 07:41 am
Steve 41oo:

Did you read the BBC news online this am? Prince Andrew had some sharp words about the administration and the war in Iraq.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 07:43 am
Catching up! (Fast thread...!)

Yes, I remember that Hillary asked Obama to join her on the housing thing too, and that he agreed. (One debate she asked, the next debate she referred to the fact that he agreed.) I'll track that down next.

Fabulous about Kevin Drum! Very good piece too, I do know what he means. (Did I tell you I wrote to Andrew Sullivan telling him I wasn't happy about him hitting the "tears" thing again?) And I completely, completely agree with his assessment of Paul Krugman.

Finn D'Abuzz wrote:
It would be entirely understandable for a black youth who regularly attended the sermons of a charismatic black preacher to adopt the style when he wanted to move people with his own spoken word.


Define "youth." He joined his current church (mostly but not entirely black, and with a charismatic black minister) about 20 years ago (I think more than that). That's a long time to absorb its cadences, even if it's not how he was raised per se.

Totally agree with FreeDuck's post here.

Thomas wrote:
2) Even if Clinton's attack flyer is a dishonest smear, which it may well be: This thread is about Obama. Some correspondents here post about Obama's strengths. Others post about Obama's weaknesses. Yet others present a balance about him. But the title of this thread is "Obama 08?", not "Clinton 08?" If few people attack Hillary when she's out of line, that's just because this thread isn't about Clinton. You'll have to live with that.


...and the first paragraph of the first post from this thread says: "Didn't want to derail nimh's thread about Republicans. This can become the equivalent about Democrats..."

Obama has been the focus, yes, but obviously he can't be discussed in a vacuum -- is he the best candidate? Why or why not? Is anyone else more electable? Why or why not? That's been how it's gone all the way through.

Thanks for the #3 though.

Yay JPB! Would love to get some first-hand accounts of the experience. That goes for JPB but also for anyone else voting today.


(IT'S SUPER TUESDAY! TODAY!)
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FreeDuck
 
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Tue 5 Feb, 2008 07:51 am
Took the kids with me this morning to vote. I got a Democratic ballot (thank goodness for the open primary). We've got a tax question on the ballot too which I'm hoping will encourage turnout -- it was pretty busy when we showed up.

Hillary's name is at the top of the ballot and I'm wondering if that will make any difference.
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sozobe
 
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Tue 5 Feb, 2008 07:58 am
A word on "inspiration":

I am, as you people know all too well, :-) pretty much the ultimate Obama wonk. If you ask me something about him I'd probably be able to tell you off the top of my head, and if I had to look it up I'd probably say "Oh, that's right, now I remember." This doesn't go for obscure policy specifics but on most things, my knowledge is pretty thorough.

I find him directly inspiring not because of his cadences (immune!) but because of the things he's saying. He first came to my attention when I read the anti-war speech he made in 2002 in the local paper (Chicago). My support for him went up several notches after I read his first book. This is based on WHAT he was saying -- I read it -- not how he said it.

The next level of inspiration is that someone saying those things might actually have a chance at becoming President of the United States of America. The next level of inspiration is watching OTHER people be inspired by him. Watching young people, as Cycloptichorn says, want to get off their lazy asses and DO something after seeing Obama. Looking at the faces of the young black guys in the audience behind him at the Kennedy endorsement. If Obama is elected, he's going to have a whole lot of people willing to get off their asses and DO something. That's inspiring.
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sozobe
 
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Tue 5 Feb, 2008 08:02 am
FreeDuck, yeah, I remember seeing something about that, it has a name and everything (like Bradley-Wilder). I remember it because I thought it was my own discovery, while doing research for work, that elected officials' last names are disproportionately slanted to the beginning of the alphabet. But no, it's an established thing. (Alphabetical order on ballots, and then people are more likely to vote for the first option.)

I think the effect becomes less pronounced the better-known the candidates are, though.
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Thomas
 
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Tue 5 Feb, 2008 08:42 am
sozobe wrote:
Thomas wrote:
2) Even if Clinton's attack flyer is a dishonest smear, which it may well be: This thread is about Obama. Some correspondents here post about Obama's strengths. Others post about Obama's weaknesses. Yet others present a balance about him. But the title of this thread is "Obama 08?", not "Clinton 08?" If few people attack Hillary when she's out of line, that's just because this thread isn't about Clinton. You'll have to live with that.


...and the first paragraph of the first post from this thread says: "Didn't want to derail nimh's thread about Republicans. This can become the equivalent about Democrats..."

... the operative word being can. If people choose not to post about Hillary Clinton on the point of campaign flyers, that's consistent with the topic of this thread, and doesn't give Cycloptichorn a valid complaint. That's all I was saying.
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kickycan
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 08:44 am
Well, today's the day Obama and the hope for change goes down the tubes. Enjoy, everyone!
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Thomas
 
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Tue 5 Feb, 2008 08:48 am
kickycan wrote:
Well, today's the day Obama and the hope for change goes down the tubes. Enjoy, everyone!

You have a lot of guts to say that. Or maybe stupidity. I guess we'll find out this evening.
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kickycan
 
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Tue 5 Feb, 2008 09:09 am
I have a lot of guts AND stupidity, thank you very much!
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 09:10 am
today may be the day we go one step closer to Mccain as president if Obama wins big.... then we're screwed for sure.... except that dj's are always in demand Very Happy
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nimh
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 09:24 am
sozobe wrote:
I remember it because I thought it was my own discovery, while doing research for work, that elected officials' last names are disproportionately slanted to the beginning of the alphabet.

Perhaps I should go into politics after all! Razz
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 09:42 am
from Krugman's blog
Quote:
Statistical comparison
By my count, 3 of my last 10 columns have criticized Barack Obama.
7 of Frank Rich's 10 last columns, and 6 of Maureen Dowd's last 10 columns, have criticized Hillary Clinton.
But, of course, that's different: Hillary is eeevil, and deserves it.




Quote:
I hate this thought. I feel obliged to write about the Dem horserace because there are real policy issues at stake, and I think it's important to highlight those issues. But I hate doing it; I hate the whole nastiness between people who should be able to realize that they're fundamentally on the same side. I really really want this thing to be over.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 10:25 am
Hmmmm

Roosevelt
Truman
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Johnson
Nixon
Ford
Carter
Reagan
Bush
Clinton
Bush
?

Those in the first half of the alphabet
outnumber those in the last half 8 to 4.

But based on the way it generally goes,
looks like the odds might be with the last
half of the alphabet since we most recently
hae had three in a row in the first half.

Maybe we're onto something here.
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 10:28 am
Laughing
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 10:34 am
"An Open Letter to Paul Krugman" in regards to Hillary vs Obama health care:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-pollack/an-open-letter-to-paul-kr_b_84952.html
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 11:33 am
I made my Illinois vote for Clinton, and I talked my coworker into making the same vote (she wasn't even going to go).

I guess I canceled out JPB vote.
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Ethel2
 
  1  
Tue 5 Feb, 2008 11:43 am
Today's Super Tuesday and we're all psyched. We've fallen in love with a stranger. He seems to have it all.........chrisma, charm and good looks, except for those unfortunate ears. And his wife's cool too.

The press is head over heals. They have worked us up into a frenzy. The ad time is hot tonight. It's change we can believe in. We're back to the sixties and we're wearing a pair of those modernized Kork Ease shoes. Aren't we cute?

But who is this man? Have we forgotten to notice that we barely know him? Is being in love a good reason to nominate a candidate for President of the United States?

Well, he's been endorsed. Oprah of day time TV, the modern day reality soaps says she wants this man to be president. And whatever Oprah wants, Oprah gets. Her wisdom is the last word. Robert De Niro agrees.

And the Kennedys....the ones that glitter, that is. Teddy, in the voice of a santimonious preacher down by the river on revival day says Obama will be ready on day one.

We seem to have forgotten that Teddy drove his car off the Dyke Bridge on Chappaquiddick Island and left his young female companion for dead. But surely he's learned his lesson. He pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury and he was sentenced to two months in jail, which was suspended. Youthful indiscretion.

And the young people....isn't it great to see them politically active at last? We're so proud of our above average offspring. Shall we follow them anywhere they lead us? We learned long ago that if it feels good, we should do it. The faint words of our parents ring distantly in our ears. "Wait to get married. If you're really in love, he'll be there in four years." It was silly advice at the time.

The results tonight will tell us something about whether we're impulsive enough to ignore caution for the thrill of a new found love. Maybe we should wait and learn something about who this man is. Where has be been and where will he lead us? But it's not up to me. I live in Oregon.

Oh well, at least he's not a religious fanatic.
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