Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:49 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
The epistle of Cyclo to the Obamians....


Further evidence of my point. You're more interested in insulting and demeaning people then actually identifying, specifically, what it is that is phony about the guy and what proof of this you have.

If you don't like him, fine. I can accept that. But don't sit here slandering him without providing some sort of evidence of why.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:51 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Yah sure you betcha, BPB, and as one proud native Minnesotan, I loved it! Laughing

Well, after all we Minnesotans are known to be very progressive and inclusive! My dear uncle who was president of a large Methodist theologial seminary in Chicago (Garrett) marched with MLK and he sure was Minnesotan.

I love the cadences. He has GOT them and let him USE them. Maybe you think poetry doesn't count. It does. Barack is more than poetry and Hillary knows it. That is why she fears him. Poetry has moved the world.


He doesn't have them.... he has developed them.... he didn't sound like that in the early going....what's next a blue polyester suit and white patent leather shoes? Will the White House be renamed the Cathedral Of tomorrow? Will we change taxes to tithes?
Dude, instead of making a further ass of yourself by babbling such nonsense; why not learn the truth about whether Obama just learned how to speak? From what I've heard this election season; he has yet to match his performance THE FIRST TIME MOST OF US HEARD HIM!
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:53 pm
I have stated my objections to him. You ignore them and reduce them and me to ignorant status.

If I make analogies to wide eyed religious cultists it's because that's how you're behaving more and more.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:53 pm
Thomas et others:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2242448189_7dc9bfeb95.jpg

I'd like to see a little outrage at Hillary using classic right-wing mailers to attack Obama.

http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6847

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:56 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I have stated my objections to him. You ignore them and reduce them and me to ignorant status.

If I make analogies to wide eyed religious cultists it's because that's how you're behaving more and more.


You're currently reducing your status without anyone else's help.

You haven't stated the reasons why he's a phony. In the time it takes you to write your next post you could easily do this. This is the exact opposite of ignoring someone, BpB, asking them directly why they think what they think.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:00 pm
i'm tired of repeating myself.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:01 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
i'm tired of repeating myself.


I understand that; this is why I'm asking you to post a substantive post explaining your positions, instead of your usual attack laden yet amazingly light on detail posts.

Cycloptichorn
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:10 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Thomas et others:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2242448189_7dc9bfeb95.jpg

I'd like to see a little outrage at Hillary using classic right-wing mailers to attack Obama.

http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6847

Cycloptichorn


On what basis do you call this a "classic right wing Mailer" ??? Do you REALLY believe this kind of propaganda is uniquely Republican or "right wing"?? Do you believe the Clintons are "right wing"???? (They are certainly not Republicans.)

You make some rather sweeping statements (and accusations) that simply defy common sense, not to mention the relevant facts of the matter.

You accuse bi polar of prejudgements and closed mindedness, and in the next breath you demonstrate far more of exactly the same things than he has done.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:11 pm
"Mays Gilliam did not attend this year's annual rally against cancer. Is Mays Gilliam for cancer, or against cancer? Mays Gilliam: he's for cancer."

Be fair Cyclops; BPB knows as well as every other reader of this thread that his supposed fears of Obama are utter and complete nonsense... and instead are in all likelihood a simple, desperate, desire for attention. I could easily be proven wrong here: All BPB needs to do is simply justify the idiotic BS he's futilely been attempting to spread this last week. Fat chance.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:17 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Thomas et others:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2242448189_7dc9bfeb95.jpg

I'd like to see a little outrage at Hillary using classic right-wing mailers to attack Obama.

http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6847

Cycloptichorn


On what basis do you call this a "classic right wing Mailer" ??? Do you REALLY believe this kind of propaganda is uniquely Republican or "right wing"?? Do you believe the Clintons are "right wing"???? (They are certainly not Republicans.)

You make some rather sweeping statements (and accusations) that simply defy common sense, not to mention the relevant facts of the matter.

You accuse bi polar of prejudgements and closed mindedness, and in the next breath you demonstrate far more of exactly the same things than he has done.


George,

"He wants to increase Social Security Taxes by a Trillion dollars!" ????

You could have pulled that falsehood off of any right wing attack flier towards any Dem for quite some time.

I think the Clintons are using right-wing tactics against Obama, yes. It's not uniquely right wing, but I must say, your side has utilized and perfected the tactic of the smear mailer.

This is the difference between BpB and I: when you questioned me on my opinion, I had the decency to explain why I felt the way I did. You may agree with it or not but it's not a blind assertion.
Cycloptichorn
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Butrflynet
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:25 pm
On the issue of the flyer itself, does anyone believe that people who are currently facing "the housing crisis" will be able to hold out for a year or more before Hillary gets in office to place a moratorium on foreclosures and freeze interest rates?

If the problem is at crisis status, why isn't it important enough to be acted upon now while still a senator? Why must it wait a year or more for someone to win the White House?
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:26 pm
Well the mailer did not specify over what period the cost increase was measured. It is of course obvious political propaganda.

I am amused that in responding with such indignation to the campaign tactics of a Democrat candidate (and the wife of the sainted Bill Clinton) you should choose to characterize it as representing the "right wing" or "my side". Kind of an awkward moment to make such an accusation.

I am aware that you believe your intensely held opinions are based only on imutable fact, however such statements make you look close-minded and foolish. I think you should read up on the history of American politics as practiced by the Democrat party. (I'm not claiming that they are always worse than the Republicans - only about half the time).
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:27 pm
Cyclo claiming to own decency and the moral high ground... very bush like of you....

and aren't you really trying to say that I haven't explained myself TO YOUR SATISFACTION?

And O'Bill depend on you to run over like a dog who smells a fresh turd and can't control his impusle to get in and sniff it. Believe me, I'm not calling out for attention from the likes of you or anyone else.

the difference between you and me cyclo dear, is that I am not carried away by pseudo religous zeal....
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nimh
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:28 pm
Wait - I could be totally wrong here, I just dont remember, its just something that popped into my mind - but isnt the housing crisis the thing that Hillary demonstratively asked Obama, in the last two debates, to join her in proposing a law in Senate about?

I could be wrong, that might have been about something else, anyone happen to remember?
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nimh
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:29 pm
That was in re to Butrflynet (dude this thread is moving fast)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:31 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Well the mailer did not specify over what period the cost increase was measured. It is of course obvious political propaganda.

I am amused that in responding with such indignation to the campaign tactics of a Democrat candidate (and the wife of the sainted Bill Clinton) you should choose to characterize it as representing the "right wing" or "my side". Kind of an awkward moment to make such an accusation.

I am aware that you believe your intensely held opinions are based only on imutable fact, however such statements make you look close-minded and foolish. I think you should read up on the history of American politics as practiced by the Democrat party. (I'm not claiming that they are always worse than the Republicans - only about half the time).


Hey man, I agree with ya - I only think the dems are slightly better then the Republicans. And I've never been a big Clinton fan, I spent the whole 90's arguing against his ass (though economically we did well during his term).

Accusing candidates of wild tax increases is a Republican tactic. That was the focus of my comment, if it came out wrong I apologize. And my opinions aren't usually based in fact, or else they would be facts, and not opinions Laughing

Bear,

I haven't heard you explain yourself at all. It should be exceedingly easy to do so. The fact that you don't want to makes me suspect that you cannot do so. The fact that I have obsessively read this thread for months makes it hard for me to believe that you could have detailed why Obama is a phony without me noticing. Most of what you've written has been vague attacks and claims that you don't trust the guy.

Cycloptichorn
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:32 pm
BPB:

I was wrong to try to address you about the campaign. I will not make that mistake again.

I am not apologizing, just saying that I know I am wasting breath trying to get you to see someone else's point of view.

Barack Obama, on the other hand, tries to do that. George Bush and his cronies never did. If you think this is a slam, well maybe.....
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nimh
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:33 pm
Kevin Drum at the Washington Monthly, who remained on the fence for months even as his commenters urged him one way or the other, finally plonked down on the side of Obama:

Quote:
PULLING THE LEVER....

So who am I going to vote for tomorrow? Answer: Barack Obama.

I've got some good reasons and some bad reasons for changing my mind. The good reasons include (a) the ugliness coming out of the Clinton camp over the past couple of weeks, which has turned me off, (b) a growing sense that Obama's steadiness running his campaign under fire is a good sign of what he'd be like as president, and (c) some of the red state endorsements Obama has gotten recently, which speak well for his potential to produce strong coattails in November.

There are also some not-so-good reasons. I'm half embarrassed to admit that this stuff even affects me, but the fact is that the actions of both the candidates' supporters and detractors has had an impact. Watching Andrew Sullivan rant and rave on a daily basis about Hillary, for example, has had the perverse effect of keeping me on her side. I just hated the thought of fever swamp hatred like that influencing my party's nomination. Conversely, today's Paul Krugman column, which was yet another installment in his months-long anti-Obama jihad, had the opposite effect. I don't like Obama's mini-demagoguery of Hillary's healthcare plan either, but for chrissake, it's an election. A bit of hardball is to be expected and I can't for the life of me figure out what Obama has done to drive a sensible guy like Krugman over a cliff.

Anyway, I realize that this stuff shouldn't matter, but it's all part of the mix. And while I still like both candidates a lot (which is what's kept me on the fence for so long), I guess I finally decided that Bill Clinton was right: voting for Obama is a roll of the dice. I still don't know whether Obama is likely to be the Democratic Ronald Reagan (my hope) or the next Democratic Jimmy Carter (my fear), but I like his temperament, I like his judgment, I like his foreign policy, I like his obvious ability to inspire, and I think he's more likely to be RR than JC. I guess I'm willing to roll the dice.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:35 pm
i see your point of view... i just don't agree with it. sorry if your frustration at not being able to bend me to your point of view makes you feel you must climb onto the exceedingly crowded high horse here.... but by all means do what you feel you must....including a not so veiled slam.

why would i care?
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Mon 4 Feb, 2008 08:37 pm
Nimh, I read that about 2 hours ago. Kevin Drum of the Washington Monthly is a good and thoughtful read. I appreciate this endorsement.
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