Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:05 pm
Has anyone noticed that Obama is developing a clearly discernible right down to inflection sing song MLK sounding voice in his speeches? Because it just reached out and slapped me in the fact listening to him talk on tv at the meadowlands....
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:13 pm
Yah sure you betcha, BPB, and as one proud native Minnesotan, I loved it! Laughing

Well, after all we Minnesotans are known to be very progressive and inclusive! My dear uncle who was president of a large Methodist theologial seminary in Chicago (Garrett) marched with MLK and he sure was Minnesotan.

I love the cadences. He has GOT them and let him USE them. Maybe you think poetry doesn't count. It does. Barack is more than poetry and Hillary knows it. That is why she fears him. Poetry has moved the world.
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:15 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Yes - it shows that the straight talk express really is a bunch of BS. And it's hard to tie someone closer to Bush then a picture like that.

Cycloptichorn


Yes ... if he embraces the man, they obviously share the same views on all of the issues.

Similarly, because Obama doesn't place his hand over his heart, it's clear he does not love his country.

It's true .... pictures are worth a thousand words.

...And he doesn't wear a flag lapel pin, either! Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:19 pm
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Yah sure you betcha, BPB, and as one proud native Minnesotan, I loved it! Laughing

Well, after all we Minnesotans are known to be very progressive and inclusive! My dear uncle who was president of a large Methodist theologial seminary in Chicago (Garrett) marched with MLK and he sure was Minnesotan.

I love the cadences. He has GOT them and let him USE them. Maybe you think poetry doesn't count. It does. Barack is more than poetry and Hillary knows it. That is why she fears him. Poetry has moved the world.


He doesn't have them.... he has developed them.... he didn't sound like that in the early going....what's next a blue polyester suit and white patent leather shoes? Will the White House be renamed the Cathedral Of tomorrow? Will we change taxes to tithes?
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:28 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Yah sure you betcha, BPB, and as one proud native Minnesotan, I loved it! Laughing

Well, after all we Minnesotans are known to be very progressive and inclusive! My dear uncle who was president of a large Methodist theologial seminary in Chicago (Garrett) marched with MLK and he sure was Minnesotan.

I love the cadences. He has GOT them and let him USE them. Maybe you think poetry doesn't count. It does. Barack is more than poetry and Hillary knows it. That is why she fears him. Poetry has moved the world.


He doesn't have them.... he has developed them.... he didn't sound like that in the early going....what's next a blue polyester suit and white patent leather shoes? Will the White House be renamed the Cathedral Of tomorrow? Will we change taxes to tithes?



Maybe he has just "found his voice" like Hillary has. :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:30 pm
he's a snow job in action...
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:37 pm
Great Big Polar Bear,

I love your posts and humor and have for a long time....but you have got to calm down a little about the election primaries. We (you and I and Squinney) defended Bill against the far right for so long about a blow job versus this great big ....ing mess that little georgie has got us into...BUT, elections are won in different ways. FDR had the voice for the common people on the radio that led so many people to go beyond their fears. Barack has a voice and he should use it.

I have heard from Andy Kohut on the Jim Lehrer Show that Barack is energizing a lot of more educated people than Hillary and that Hillary is taking the lower educated and lower economic scale of people! I would love to throw out the polls and the pollsters for coming up with crude estimates like that, but hey, that's what we have.

I want to win in November and I want the strongest DEMOCRAT to win! I don't want to fight about cadences and speech, especially speech that will inspire. I want to win.
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Vietnamnurse
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:43 pm
Amen, Butteryflynet!
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:44 pm
The SF Chronicle invited readers to send in questions for the major presidential candidates, prior to the California primaries on Feb. 5. Some sent in a question for all the candidates. Others were directed at a specific candidate. Below is the full text of the questions to, and answers from, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)

Here are the questions. You can click the link below to read the answers:

1. I'm a Republican. I was a very liberal Democrat growing up during Nam, Civil Rights, etc. I became a Republican when I opened my own business and ran into the buzz saw of governmental "protections" of everyone except those that create jobs in small businesses. Based on a Baby Boomer's experience such as my own, why should I vote for you?


- Steven Wright, 55, Pacifica

2. With the recent positive news coming out of Iraq, can you be the first Democrat to suggest that maybe, just maybe, the war is not lost and there is some hope of American/Iraqi success?


- Jeff Farmer, 57, St. Helena

3. If either of you [or Sen. Clinton] won, you two would literally change the face of the presidency in this country. What kind of impact do you think that'll have on our country and economy? How do you think the outside world will react to such a drastic change from what is not typically or historically the face of a U.S. President?


- Gary Lee, 36, Daly City

4. How would you confront radical Islam regarding its impact on U.S. security? How would you protect us?


- Norman Vogel, 61, San Francisco

5. What do you see as the most significant difficulties that American children today face, and what should the government be doing differently to solve them?


- Geoff Geiger, 55, Alameda

6. Our public education system is becoming less globally competitive and more separate and unequal from the weight of No Child Left Behind and economically driven district gerrymandering --thus widening the education gap between the affluent (haves) and the poor (have-nots). What solutions do you offer to have a more rigorous, relevant, equal, and global competitive public school system?


- Cory Haynes, 33, Napa

7. Since standardized tests offer such a limited measurement of student learning, and have undesirable consequences, are there other means you could envision schools and teachers using to measure student learning?


- Anthony Cody, 49, Oakland

8. I would like to know what kind of role Michelle Obama who is also a Harvard trained lawyer would be if she were to become first lady.


- Steve Pardee, 49, Berkeley

9. I've heard ever since I was a child how almost every single politician in congress or in the White House has promised to work with the other side of the aisle for non-partisan politics -- usually without much luck. I, as well as most people, am tired of hearing politicians talk about one hot topic to another to get themselves elected only to not follow up on these topics once they are in office. We are interested in moving the country forward and reestablishing the USA as a country to look at for inspiration and leadership. What would you do to bring back the public trust and earn our votes?


- Anthony Vann, 36, Alameda








http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/MNC0URFOC.DTL&type=printable


Next post will be the questions asked of Hillary.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:49 pm
I really like this line:

Barack Obama wrote:
In this country - of all countries - no child's destiny should be determined before he takes his first step.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 06:53 pm
The Chronicle invited readers to send in questions for the major presidential candidates, prior to the California primaries on Feb. 5. Some sent in a question for all the candidates. Others were directed at a specific candidate. Below is the full text of the questions to, and answers from, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.)

Here are the questions posed. You can click on the link below to read the answers.

1. What do you see as the most significant difficulties that American children today face, and what should the government be doing differently to solve them?


- Geoff Geiger, 55, Alameda

2. What are your plans to reform the social welfare systems in the U.S. and how will you tackle the increasing inequality and segregation in public schools?


- Sarah Perine, 29, Brisbane

3. Is anything worth saving in No Child Left Behind? How much of a monetary role do you see the federal government having in education, particularly K-12, as opposed to a bully pulpit role?


- Carol Strand, 65, Berkeley

4. Since standardized tests offer such a limited measurement of student learning, and have undesirable consequences, are there other means you could envision schools and teachers using to measure student learning?


- Anthony Cody, 49, Oakland


5. I saw you on the Logo Channel debate and was disappointed with the way you answered the question about marriage equality. To my ears, your emphasis on "state-level solutions" was merely a reworking of the same "states rights" arguments used by the South to defend segregation and laws that prohibited people of different races from marrying. As a candidate who claims to want to bring America back to our best traditions of democracy and equality, why won't you come out in support of full marriage equality for all our citizens?


- Brad Colby, 42, Millbrae

6. What do you believe is needed to help open up public discourse about racial issues, allowing people of all races to speak honestly without fear of being shut down by accusations of racism?


- Deborah Cloudwalker, 52, Oakland

7. One of the hot topics of late is universal health care. Taxpayers are taking a closer look at the fact that congress lavishes perks upon itself, but balks at caring for the people who make it possible for them. As president, would you make it your task to remove these perks from congress, to induce that governing body to come to grips with the fact that so many Americans are uninsured?


- Ramón Burgos, 57, San Francisco

8. In light of evidence in favor of single-payer health care systems in terms of cost effectiveness as well as health care delivery outcomes on objectively measured criteria - longevity, infant mortality, access, etc. - are you willing to be flexible and switch focus to a national health plan with the government as uniform single payer, which would offer physicians and hospitals the option to continue practicing publicly or privately, just as they are now? If not, why not?


- Vicki Tiernan, 57, San Francisco

9. With the threat of ever increasing deficits destroying the value of our currency, what specifically would you propose to first stop the increase of the deficit, and second start actually paying off the accumulated debt?


- Steven Krichman, 45, San Francisco

10. Are you willing to put the brakes on military spending to take care of our failing infrastructure. If so, how and when?


- Dawn Abel, 56, Redwood City

11. As my brother who is an officer in the army and is currently on his way into active duty as he finishes law school in the spring and has been accepted to the JAG Corps., when do you plan on bringing the troops home ( a time table?). In addition, how do you feel/react when you see a disfigured/disabled young serviceman/woman whose life has been forever altered b/c of this endless needless war while politicians sit in their cozy offices eating, schmoozing at 5 star restaurants and sleeping in their warm cushy beds at night safe under the covers?


- Nikki Whitaker, 30, San Francisco

12. How will you work with veterans providers to address our newly returned veterans' needs? While, there has been much movement toward putting more training dollars - in Northern California (especially in the rural areas) it is not enough to help veterans make it.


- Marcy Orosco, 55, Guerneville


13. What is your position on Palestinian property rights?


- John Arthur Wills, 61, Oakland


14. Our two party system doesn't work very well. Nothing but partisan bickering. And when bills are passed they are watered down and inefficient. Would you support a three (or more) party system that would give citizens better representation? In other words, a parliamentary type system of representation?


- Bill Krumbein, Santa Rosa


15. There is a general point of view that governors have made better presidents, and more successful presidential candidates, than senators. What do you say to that?


- Terry Miller, 51, San Francisco



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/MN6KUR81L.DTL


For kicks and comparisons for November, next post will have the questions posed to McCain. (Romney hasn't responded.)
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:03 pm
The Chronicle invited readers to send in questions for the major presidential candidates, prior to the California primaries on Feb. 5. Some sent in a question for all the candidates. Others were directed at a specific candidate. Below is the full text of the questions to, and answers from, Sen. John McCain (R-A.Z.)

Here are the questions posed. You can click on the link below to read the answers.

1. With the threat of ever increasing deficits destroying the value of our currency, what specifically would you propose to first stop the increase of the deficit, and second start actually paying off the accumulated debt?


- Steven Krichman, 45, San Francisco



2. As my brother who is an officer in the army and is currently on his way into active duty as he finishes law school in the spring and has been accepted to the JAG Corps., when do you plan on bringing the troops home ( a time table)?


- Nikki Whitaker, San Francisco



3. How will you work with veterans providers to address our newly returned veterans' needs? While, there has been much movement toward putting more training dollars - in Northern California (especially in the rural areas) it is not enough to help veterans make it.


- Marcy Orosco, 55, Guerneville


4. Do you have any plans for tackling the crisis of homelessness in our affected cities, and if so, what are your strategies?


- Dean Estes, 45, San Francisco



5. What do you believe is needed to help open up public discourse about racial issues, allowing people of all races to speak honestly without fear of being shut down by accusations of racism?


- Deborah Cloudwalker, 52, Oakland


6. What is your position on Palestinian property rights?


- John Arthur Wills, 61, Oakland


7. How do you view the current role of the US on the world stage economically, militarily, and politically, and how would you compare that to the philosophies of previous administrations?


- Steven Krichman, 45, San Francisco


8. Our two party system doesn't work very well. Nothing but partisan bickering. And when bills are passed they are watered down and inefficient. Would you support a three (or more) party system that would give citizens better representation? In other words, a parliamentary type system of representation?


- Bill Krumbein, Santa Rosa


9. There is a general point of view that governors have made better presidents, and more successful presidential candidates, than senators. What do you say to that?


-Terry Miller, 51, San Francisco



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/02/MN25UQM9J.DTL&type=politics
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:11 pm
The Chronicle invited readers to send in questions for the major presidential candidates, prior to the California primaries on Feb. 5. Some sent in a question for all the candidates. Others were directed at a specific candidate. Below is the full text of the questions to, and answers from, fmr. Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-A.R.)

Here are the questions posed. You can click on the link below to read the answers.


1. With the threat of ever increasing deficits destroying the value of our currency, what specifically would you propose to first stop the increase of the deficit, and second start actually paying off the accumulated debt?


- Steven Krichman, 45, San Francisco



2. Can you please identify the fundamental problems that exist today in our economy and what are the fundamental solutions necessary to address those problems to promote a healthier economic future for our children's?


- Douglas Jackson, 50, Bayside (Humboldt County)


3. Our public education system is becoming less globally competitive and more separate and unequal from the weight of No Child Left Behind and economically driven district gerrymandering - thus widening the education gap between the haves and have nots. What solutions do you offer to have a more rigorous, relevant, equal, and global competitive public school system?


- Cory Haynes, Napa


4. Do you have any plans for tackling the crisis of homelessness in our affected cities, and if so, what are your strategies?


- Dean Estes, 45, San Francisco


5. How do you view the current role of the US on the world stage economically, militarily, and politically, and how would you compare that to the philosophies of previous administrations?


- Steven Krichman, 45, San Francisco


6. As my brother who is an officer in the army and is currently on his way into active duty as he finishes law school in the spring and has been accepted to the JAG Corps., when do you plan on bringing the troops home (a time table)?


- Nikki Whitaker, San Francisco


7. How will you work with veterans providers to address our newly returned veterans' needs? While, there has been much movement toward putting more training dollars - in Northern California (especially in the rural areas) it is not enough to help veterans make it.


- Marcy Orosco, 55, Guerneville


8. What do you believe is needed to help open up public discourse about racial issues, allowing people of all races to speak honestly without fear of being shut down by accusations of racism?


- Deborah Cloudwalker, 52, Oakland


9. What is your position on Palestinian property rights?

- John Arthur Wills, 61, Oakland



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/02/MNENUPP1F.DTL&type=politics
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:33 pm
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Great Big Polar Bear,

I love your posts and humor and have for a long time....but you have got to calm down a little about the election primaries. We (you and I and Squinney) defended Bill against the far right for so long about a blow job versus this great big ....ing mess that little georgie has got us into...BUT, elections are won in different ways. FDR had the voice for the common people on the radio that led so many people to go beyond their fears. Barack has a voice and he should use it.

I have heard from Andy Kohut on the Jim Lehrer Show that Barack is energizing a lot of more educated people than Hillary and that Hillary is taking the lower educated and lower economic scale of people! I would love to throw out the polls and the pollsters for coming up with crude estimates like that, but hey, that's what we have.

I want to win in November and I want the strongest DEMOCRAT to win! I don't want to fight about cadences and speech, especially speech that will inspire. I want to win.



why am I not calm?
because i don't like Obama and think he's a phony does that mean I'm upset?

And why twice today I wonder have people mentioned my preference fo Hillary along with the fact that PObama is getting the smarter people?

Obama may not be transparent but his disciples surely are :wink:
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:36 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Great Big Polar Bear,

I love your posts and humor and have for a long time....but you have got to calm down a little about the election primaries. We (you and I and Squinney) defended Bill against the far right for so long about a blow job versus this great big ....ing mess that little georgie has got us into...BUT, elections are won in different ways. FDR had the voice for the common people on the radio that led so many people to go beyond their fears. Barack has a voice and he should use it.

I have heard from Andy Kohut on the Jim Lehrer Show that Barack is energizing a lot of more educated people than Hillary and that Hillary is taking the lower educated and lower economic scale of people! I would love to throw out the polls and the pollsters for coming up with crude estimates like that, but hey, that's what we have.

I want to win in November and I want the strongest DEMOCRAT to win! I don't want to fight about cadences and speech, especially speech that will inspire. I want to win.



why am I not calm?
because i don't like Obama and think he's a phony does that mean I'm upset?

And why twice today I wonder have people mentioned my preference fo Hillary along with the fact that PObama is getting the smarter people?

Obama may not be transparent but his disciples surely are :wink:


There's nothing phony about him.

I think the negativity shown by the Clinton campaign is clearly echoed in a lot of her followers.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:38 pm
sozobe wrote:
Hi Bill,

Wow, that is impressive. I don't think I can bring myself to vote for McCain but I definitely sympathize with my old housemate. This is the closest I've ever gotten to just refusing to vote for the Dem candidate (if it's Hillary).

Obama has said a couple of times some variation of "I think Hillary's supporters will vote for me, but I'm not sure mine will vote for her." I think he has a point.
I thought you might find that interesting. 200+ posts since then? Shocked Ya'll went nuts this weekend. I'm not reading all that right now.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Vietnamnurse wrote:
Great Big Polar Bear,

I love your posts and humor and have for a long time....but you have got to calm down a little about the election primaries. We (you and I and Squinney) defended Bill against the far right for so long about a blow job versus this great big ....ing mess that little georgie has got us into...BUT, elections are won in different ways. FDR had the voice for the common people on the radio that led so many people to go beyond their fears. Barack has a voice and he should use it.

I have heard from Andy Kohut on the Jim Lehrer Show that Barack is energizing a lot of more educated people than Hillary and that Hillary is taking the lower educated and lower economic scale of people! I would love to throw out the polls and the pollsters for coming up with crude estimates like that, but hey, that's what we have.

I want to win in November and I want the strongest DEMOCRAT to win! I don't want to fight about cadences and speech, especially speech that will inspire. I want to win.



why am I not calm?
because i don't like Obama and think he's a phony does that mean I'm upset?

And why twice today I wonder have people mentioned my preference fo Hillary along with the fact that PObama is getting the smarter people?

Obama may not be transparent but his disciples surely are :wink:


There's nothing phony about him.

I think the negativity shown by the Clinton campaign is clearly echoed in a lot of her followers.

Cycloptichorn


in your opinion... or is this written in a sacred text?
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Ticomaya
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:46 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
That certainly would set off and alarm for the average fearfull materialistic American who equates their quality of life with the amount of money they bring home.


If you are a socialist, it probably sounds pretty good.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:47 pm
Neither you nor anyone has identified anything phony about him.

You aren't ever able to come up with specifics; just muttering about how you don't trust people who want to compromise, mixed in with vague insults and derogatory statements about his naivety.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Mon 4 Feb, 2008 07:48 pm
The epistle of Cyclo to the Obamians....
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