sozobe
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 06:44 am
Uh-oh, with Blatham-pressure from one side and soz-pressure from the other, I predict resistance. ;-)

Anyway, good to see you here and will be interested in your reactions. No hurry.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 07:06 am
Soz- I usually never resist just for the hell of it. I don't play those kinds of games. If I think that he is good (IMO), I will certainly let you all know.
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sozobe
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 07:08 am
Oh, I know, but I think that inconoclasm comes out sometimes if you're feeling peer pressure... ;-) I'm the same way.

Anyway, definitely looking forward to your take.
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blatham
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 07:11 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Soz- I usually never resist just for the hell of it. I don't play those kinds of games. If I think that he is good (IMO), I will certainly let you all know.


Bullshit! You resisted Frank's romantic advances even knowing the reputation of how salty old sailor's behave in bed.
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snood
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 07:48 am
TMI! TMI! Sharing violation! 20 minutes in the penalty box!!

Laughing
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 12:31 pm
This discussion is getting verrrrrry interesting! Laughing

On a serious note, I am hoping that Obama will run as he has many positives,in the foremost his charisma. Gotta have that today.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 01:15 pm
blatham wrote:
Bullshit! You resisted Frank's romantic advances even knowing the reputation of how salty old sailor's behave in bed.


For shame! You promised that you would never tell! Embarrassed
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 21 Jul, 2006 08:10 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
blatham wrote:
Bullshit! You resisted Frank's romantic advances even knowing the reputation of how salty old sailor's behave in bed.


For shame! You promised that you would never tell! Embarrassed


I visited with Blatham for a while today while in the Big Apple.

He certainly does like Obama...I can tell you that.

He has pretty much convinced me that Obama is the best choice.

I'm still trying to figure out why half of the people voting in this country actually voted to retain George Bush in office. He is a disaster...and it is inconceivable that half the people voting were not able to recognize that.
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blatham
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 04:29 am
frank said:
Quote:
I'm still trying to figure out why half of the people voting in this country actually voted to retain George Bush in office. He is a disaster...and it is inconceivable that half the people voting were not able to recognize that.


Depressing rather than inconceivable, I think, Frank.

A fundamental can be found in the information linked here...
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/IraqMedia_Oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf
Verification of those results is evidenced daily right here on A2K in the sources for opinion almost every rightwing American poster draws upon (seen in their pastes, links and talking point cliches).

Another, I suspect, is related to the thesis in John Dean's new book (which you and I spoke of yesterday) regarding the propensity of some significant percentage of any human population to prefer rule or social organization of an authoritarian nature.

And, again my suspicion, that particular periods of time present degrees or types of change which people find deeply unsettling and which tend to produce a reactionary or 'anti-modernity' dynamic. The fundamentalism of the Islamic world has corollaries here too.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 06:09 am
blatham wrote:
frank said:
Quote:
I'm still trying to figure out why half of the people voting in this country actually voted to retain George Bush in office. He is a disaster...and it is inconceivable that half the people voting were not able to recognize that.


Depressing rather than inconceivable, I think, Frank.

A fundamental can be found in the information linked here...
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/IraqMedia_Oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf
Verification of those results is evidenced daily right here on A2K in the sources for opinion almost every rightwing American poster draws upon (seen in their pastes, links and talking point cliches).

Another, I suspect, is related to the thesis in John Dean's new book (which you and I spoke of yesterday) regarding the propensity of some significant percentage of any human population to prefer rule or social organization of an authoritarian nature.


Yeah...I gotta get that book and read it.

Interesting that an agrument can be made that the folks who most rail against governmental intrusion in individual lives are suspected to be motivated by a need to be herded. If it is so...it would make lots of their conduct make much, much more sense.
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blatham
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 06:35 am
Quote:
Interesting that an agrument can be made that the folks who most rail against governmental intrusion in individual lives are suspected to be motivated by a need to be herded. If it is so...it would make lots of their conduct make much, much more sense.

Yes, it would.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 06:51 am
Blatham and Frank:

I got John Dean's book 2 days ago and started it last night. Bad mistake because it is a good read and difficult to put down!
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blatham
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 07:17 am
vnn

Hi! I'm on Suskind's book now and someone just gave me Boehlert's. But I'll likely put the latter on hold and toss Dean's in the middle. It's a pretty compelling notion he forwards and he says that there's a lot of academic research (I gather on different, but relevant matters) behind the thesis.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 07:16 pm
Blatham:

I had nearly finished Boehlert's book when I received the Suskind and Dean books. I thought the Boehlert book would be a rehash of all that I knew about the main stream media mish-mash and sqeamishness to go against "The King", but he has much more evidence than I had imagined. Now, with the Dean book, I realize what we are up against. It is not just a Lakoff readjusting of our labels and framing...these people are of a different sort than can't be dealt with in that way. Authoratarians, as descriptive of many versions of kings and dictators, is what he is sounding out to us. Not conservatives, and certainly not "Christians", some good, but many bad and some evil. They have stolen the conservative label and libeled it. What they have done to the liberal label is despicable. He has my full attention and I will get on with the book as soon as the grandchildren leave!!!!
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SierraSong
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 11:28 pm
nimh wrote:
Quote:
Sen. Obama to headline Iowa party event

Sen. Barack Obama, whose name has come up in speculation about the 2008 presidential race, will be the headline speaker at the Iowa Democratic Party's highest profile event this year in a state that traditionally holds the first delegate-selection caucuses.

Obama will be the featured speaker at Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin (news, bio, voting record)'s annual steak fry in September, an event which annually draws thousands of activists.

"I think his standing has risen rapidly," Harkin said Thursday in an interview with The Associated Press.

The Illinois senator dismissed suggestions that the Iowa speech was tied to presidential ambitions.

"This is simply me accepting an invitation from Senator Harkin and hopefully an opportunity to assist other congressional candidates," Obama told reporters.

Obama said Harkin had been very persuasive and added, "basically my rule has been if I can help in the '06 cycle, then I'm going to do it. And the only reason not to do it has been sort of the symbolism of Iowa which probably was not a good reason for us not to help out."


The only thing the Donks could have done to harm their efforts more in Iowa and the midwest would be to have sent Bill Clinton. You'd think they'd learn. You'd think.
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snood
 
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Sat 22 Jul, 2006 11:29 pm
How you figure Obama's gonna hurt 'em?
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sozobe
 
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Sun 23 Jul, 2006 08:13 am
I could see that, actually, if after all of this he ends up not running. He's head and shoulders above anyone else in this kind of venue, and would make anyone else look bad by comparison.

However, if he DOES end up running...
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snood
 
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Sun 23 Jul, 2006 08:39 am
I understand the whole "suffering by comparison" thing, but I'm not sure that's what Sierra meant. Is it, Sierra?
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SierraSong
 
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Sun 23 Jul, 2006 10:53 am
He's slick. Watch and learn.

Many Dems are beginning to despise Obama. Read the liberal blogs. One of his 'constituents' describes him as "pathetic". I agree.
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blatham
 
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Sun 23 Jul, 2006 10:59 am
SierraSong wrote:
He's slick. Watch and learn.

Many Dems are beginning to despise Obama. Read the liberal blogs. One of his 'constituents' describes him as "pathetic". I agree.



Yet, as that (unlinked blogger, one of the "many" similarly undefined and unlinked) fellow or fellowess would surely use that particular adjective to describe your contributions and "reasoning", what credibility would he have?
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