sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 03:55 pm
By the way, that Clinton mining deal article is now on the NYT site and is currently the 4th most mailed article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 04:28 pm
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-at-la-trade-technical-college-by.html

Quote:
Obama At LA Trade Technical College

by dday

Hey all. Sitting here in the spin room at the Kodak Theater prior to tonight's Democratic debate. The place is kind of swamped with media, and I guess Blitzer's doing his live show just outside, so there are a lot of sign-holders afoot.

Earlier today I was down at Los Angeles Trade Technical College, a community college near downtown, to watch a townhall meeting with Senator Barack Obama. A lot of his Southern California supporters were on hand, including Assemblyman Ted Lieu, labor leader Maria Elena Durazo, Congressmen Xavier Becerra and Adam Schiff, LA City Councilmembers Yvonne Burke and Bill Rosendahl, and State Senators Dean Florez, Gil Cedillo, and Majority Leader Gloria Romero. I have as much respect for Senators Cedillo and Romero as anyone in the State Senate. They have been at the forefront of taking on tough issues; in the case of Sen Romero, prison and sentencing reform, and in the case of Sen. Cedillo, immigration measures like driver's licenses and the DREAM Act (which Obama said he would sign). It means a lot to me that they are on board Obama's campaign.

After a pre-program which included all Spanish-language music (LA Trade Tech is a heavily Latino and black college), the overarching them was one of unity. The very first thing Obama stressed in his opening remarks was the black-brown divide. There were several signs passed out by the campaign that said "Si se puede." And he again talked about how he abhored the divisive tone of the immigration debate, where we "let lawmakers turn us against each other." He talked about helping the struggles of the middle and lower classes as "the cause of my life" (a pull from John Edwards?), and told the crowd that "you are determined to make something of yourselves - you just need the government to provide a little help so you can realize your dreams." The podium carried the sign "Reclaiming the American Dream," which is new messaging AFAIK.

After remarks which covered health care, education reform, relief for homeowners caught in the mortgage crisis, and making college affordable, Sen. Obama took questions. The first was about the Iraq war and yielded familiar comments; the second, about homelessness, was a completely new topic to hear in this campaign. I think Obama's answer was key. (paraphrase):

"We must build more shelters, but we also need to look at how we prevent more homeless. A quarter of the homeless are veterans who come back from war with PTSD or brain trauma, they don't get the help they need, and they self-medicate with alcohol or drugs. So we need to fix that. But we have an issue with mental health services generally in this country. I want to see mental health parity. Insurers need to cover mental health the same way they do physical health. Because depression can be as debilitating an illness as a broken arm, and probably more. It will save us money in the long run, because all types of services come into play when you deal with homelessness - police, EMT, the judicial system, our jails, etc. Another thing you're seeing is more homeless families on the street, because the government has gotten out of the affordable housing business. We need an affordable housing trust fund so that people of modest means can find a place to live in their communities."



I don't think you can read the response to that question and say that Obama is somehow a Reagan disciple. His State Senate district in Chicago faced these issues head-on. This is not typically a plank in someone's platform. Politicians don't often talk about homelessness for whatever reason. But he showed an understanding of the issue and it really appeared that he would take it seriously were he to become President.

Other questions included Darfur, making college affordable, immigration, K-12 and early childhood education (which Obama stressed as very important), and the economy. Another question that jumped out was about racial profiling. The questioner was very animated about it, and apparently there was a recent incident on campus. Obama said that he was the only candidate who's ever passed a racial profiling bill, which got the support of both parties in the Illinois State Senate. Police departments learned to work with the law and believed that it aided their performance and showed areas where they needed to improve.

Unfortunately, we don't have a political system, and certainly not a political media, that pays attention to these issues. But I do believe that this is how regular people want to make their choices. They get a load of crap tossed at them about superficial issues and there's a lot of clutter to cut through. But people have real questions and real values they want to see expressed in a President, certainly more than they're getting now. If the media listened for a change to what answers people were actually seeking, perhaps they would provide them.


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dday 1/31/2008 01:20:00 PM |


Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 04:35 pm
sozobe wrote:
By the way, that Clinton mining deal article is now on the NYT site and is currently the 4th most mailed article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html


What was that saying? Money corrupts, but money in the hand corrupts absolutely?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 04:56 pm
This thread really rolls along. I had to read about 70 pages just to catch up to where I left off.

There seems, to me, to have been a new theme expressed since last I visited, or at least an old theme with a new angle.

Electability as measured by a Democratic candidate's ability to withstand the rough beast that slouches towards Washington to be born... after the conventions.

I don't know why it has taken me so long, but I now fully realize how seriously blatham takes the leftist dogma that the Conservative Movement in America is, along with its catspaw the GOP, the source of all evil - past, present and future. His constant warnings have made him the Jeremiah of A2K.

It appears that the argument is that if Obama cannot withstand and defeat the dirty tricks of the Clintons, how can he possibly be expected to fare, this Summer, against the Fell Masters at whose feet the Clintons studied, and can only approximate.

(Alluding to Tolkien's cast of characters, think of Gandalf facing off against Sauron as opposed to Saruman)

No one is without sin, and least of all a politician, but Obama seems to own a closet that is relatively free of skeletons. He's pre-empted an attack based on youthful drug use by confessing to same in his book. The nonsense about his middle name and Islamic origins will probably be used at the fringes, but will amount to even less than the Bush the Drunk sleaze used in 2000.

His record is so confined; his tenure of public service so limited that it's hard to imagine he's in danger of attacks based on flip-flop, and if the Reznek "scandal" had any legs, I think we'd know about it by now.

It really is hard to imagine that Republican operatives will be more diligent and more successful in digging up dirt than Clinton operatives and so I suspect we will be treated to the spectacle of any scandals he may have by the end of the primaries.

We can expect Republicans to hammer him hard on his lack of experience, and his clearly liberal policy positions, but only the most wild-eyed of partisans will consider that foul play.

The race card has already been played by the Clintons and so Republican strategists won't have to take it out of the deck even if they were so inclined.

Skin thickness and pugnacity will be far more important to Hillary in the general election since she is a far bigger target.

No big revelation that I want any of the Republican candidates to win in November over any of the Democrats. I don't fear an Obama candidacy, but I certainly prefer Hillary as the nominee. An Obama candidacy contains a fair measure of uncertainty. A Hillary campaign is predictable.
In addition, no matter who wins the Republican nomination, Hillary will galvanize any bloc that might have its collective nose out of joint.

So if your goal is to beat the Republicans in November, your best shot is to support Obama.

As an aside: Not much on the Big SOTU Snub Episode.

Was it a snub?

If so, an effective symbolic statement, or churlish act?

Looking forward to the Debate tonight.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:02 pm
High Seas wrote:
Finn - What did you do, search for depictions of Mephistopheles?!

Btw, I'd been trying to remember my favorite verses from Dr. Faustus to add in my profile and finally thanks to you I looked them up:

Quote:
Philosophy is odious and obscure,
Both Law and Physic are for petty wits,
Divinity is basest of the three,
Unpleasant, harsh, contemptible and vile,
Tis Magic, Magic that hath ravished me!


Love Marlowe!


No, as Soz revealed, these are pictures of the comic book character The Joker. I wasn't really drying to draw any comparison, other than physical, between the two, but it a fertile juxtaposition for those interested.

Great Marlowe line, btw.
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blatham
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:08 pm
Quote:
I don't know why it has taken me so long, but I now fully realize how seriously blatham takes the leftist dogma that the Conservative Movement in America is, along with its catspaw the GOP, the source of all evil - past, present and future. His constant warnings have made him the Jeremiah of A2K.


You have been slow to recognize your slowness, finn.
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nimh
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:09 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
(Alluding to Tolkien's cast of characters, think of Gandalf facing off against Sauron as opposed to Saruman)

Ha! Nice one Razz

You seem to be in a much better mood than a couple months ago, Finn, is that right or does it just seem so? Playful and clever instead of just snide. I have no idea of course, but if it's any indication of life in general looking good I'm glad Smile
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nimh
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:10 pm
(That probably sounded terribly patronizing, but it wasnt meant to be)
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:15 pm
No, I thought it sounded friendly. We who have prayed for Finn are pleased to see his ducts clear and humors flowing.
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:16 pm
Let me add that I've always thought of Finn as an 79 Pinto...fully loaded.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 06:12 pm
Transportation workers union endorses Obama.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 06:21 pm
I'm almost too nervous to watch tonight's debate. I feel like Venus and Serena Williams parents as they are about to begin finals at Wimbleton.
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 06:40 pm
"Hottest Ticket in Town

CNN just reporting that tickets to tonight's L.A. debate between Hillary and Obama are going for upwards of $1,000 apiece."

Dude. Politics has become sexy. Or something.
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nimh
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 06:45 pm
Via Marc Ambiner @ the Atlantic:

Quote:
It's like the Oscars, less the writers, the movies, the pageantry, the actors, the actresses, the directors, John Williams... ok, it's nothing like the Oscars. But the Kodak Theatre in Hollywood is a hell of a place to hold the final primary debate of the cycle.

Security is tight as a tick. Closed-off roads, FBI explosives experts, members of the Secret Service Uniformed Divisions, an LAPD airship, Dozens of armed guards and a platoon of police officers.


http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/kodak2.jpg


Thousands of cheering Obama supporters are packed on the sidewalk between Hollywood Boulevard and the theatre complex. CNN has set up giant screens outside so the fans can watch. Clinton supporters are outnumbered.


This must be the most hyped primary debate since.. uh..
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 06:56 pm
And is it the known, the understood, the safe, which is causing the excitement?

HELL NO

Video from outside the theater shows a massive, truly massive, crowd of Obama supporters. I mean, thousands of people chanting his name. It's unreal.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 07:00 pm
so... damn... nervous...
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 07:09 pm
I say under. Her attacks have mostly backfired, so she'll keep it clean tonight.

Obama's opening statement went great, so lol at least that part is good.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 07:10 pm
Kicky erases post?

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 07:23 pm
Not much difference between the two on Health care. Hillary says single payer, gets a pop.. and then says she doesn't support it?

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 07:24 pm
So far, it's very tough to see the sharp distinction required for the undecided to make a choice.
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