By the way, that Clinton mining deal article is now on the NYT site and is currently the 4th most mailed article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html
This thread really rolls along. I had to read about 70 pages just to catch up to where I left off.
There seems, to me, to have been a new theme expressed since last I visited, or at least an old theme with a new angle.
Electability as measured by a Democratic candidate's ability to withstand the rough beast that slouches towards Washington to be born... after the conventions.
I don't know why it has taken me so long, but I now fully realize how seriously blatham takes the leftist dogma that the Conservative Movement in America is, along with its catspaw the GOP, the source of all evil - past, present and future. His constant warnings have made him the Jeremiah of A2K.
It appears that the argument is that if Obama cannot withstand and defeat the dirty tricks of the Clintons, how can he possibly be expected to fare, this Summer, against the Fell Masters at whose feet the Clintons studied, and can only approximate.
(Alluding to Tolkien's cast of characters, think of Gandalf facing off against Sauron as opposed to Saruman)
No one is without sin, and least of all a politician, but Obama seems to own a closet that is relatively free of skeletons. He's pre-empted an attack based on youthful drug use by confessing to same in his book. The nonsense about his middle name and Islamic origins will probably be used at the fringes, but will amount to even less than the Bush the Drunk sleaze used in 2000.
His record is so confined; his tenure of public service so limited that it's hard to imagine he's in danger of attacks based on flip-flop, and if the Reznek "scandal" had any legs, I think we'd know about it by now.
It really is hard to imagine that Republican operatives will be more diligent and more successful in digging up dirt than Clinton operatives and so I suspect we will be treated to the spectacle of any scandals he may have by the end of the primaries.
We can expect Republicans to hammer him hard on his lack of experience, and his clearly liberal policy positions, but only the most wild-eyed of partisans will consider that foul play.
The race card has already been played by the Clintons and so Republican strategists won't have to take it out of the deck even if they were so inclined.
Skin thickness and pugnacity will be far more important to Hillary in the general election since she is a far bigger target.
No big revelation that I want any of the Republican candidates to win in November over any of the Democrats. I don't fear an Obama candidacy, but I certainly prefer Hillary as the nominee. An Obama candidacy contains a fair measure of uncertainty. A Hillary campaign is predictable.
In addition, no matter who wins the Republican nomination, Hillary will galvanize any bloc that might have its collective nose out of joint.
So if your goal is to beat the Republicans in November, your best shot is to support Obama.
As an aside: Not much on the Big SOTU Snub Episode.
Was it a snub?
If so, an effective symbolic statement, or churlish act?
Looking forward to the Debate tonight.
High Seas wrote:Finn - What did you do, search for depictions of Mephistopheles?!
Btw, I'd been trying to remember my favorite verses from Dr. Faustus to add in my profile and finally thanks to you I looked them up:
Quote:Philosophy is odious and obscure,
Both Law and Physic are for petty wits,
Divinity is basest of the three,
Unpleasant, harsh, contemptible and vile,
Tis Magic, Magic that hath ravished me!
Love Marlowe!
No, as Soz revealed, these are pictures of the comic book character The Joker. I wasn't really drying to draw any comparison, other than physical, between the two, but it a fertile juxtaposition for those interested.
Great Marlowe line, btw.
Quote:I don't know why it has taken me so long, but I now fully realize how seriously blatham takes the leftist dogma that the Conservative Movement in America is, along with its catspaw the GOP, the source of all evil - past, present and future. His constant warnings have made him the Jeremiah of A2K.
You have been slow to recognize your slowness, finn.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:(Alluding to Tolkien's cast of characters, think of Gandalf facing off against Sauron as opposed to Saruman)
Ha! Nice one
You seem to be in a much better mood than a couple months ago, Finn, is that right or does it just seem so? Playful and clever instead of just snide. I have no idea of course, but if it's any indication of life in general looking good I'm glad
(That probably sounded terribly patronizing, but it wasnt meant to be)
No, I thought it sounded friendly. We who have prayed for Finn are pleased to see his ducts clear and humors flowing.
Let me add that I've always thought of Finn as an 79 Pinto...fully loaded.
Transportation workers union endorses Obama.
Cycloptichorn
I'm almost too nervous to watch tonight's debate. I feel like Venus and Serena Williams parents as they are about to begin finals at Wimbleton.
"Hottest Ticket in Town
CNN just reporting that tickets to tonight's L.A. debate between Hillary and Obama are going for upwards of $1,000 apiece."
Dude. Politics has become sexy. Or something.
Via Marc Ambiner @ the Atlantic:
Quote:It's like the Oscars, less the writers, the movies, the pageantry, the actors, the actresses, the directors, John Williams... ok, it's nothing like the Oscars. But the Kodak Theatre in Hollywood is a hell of a place to hold the final primary debate of the cycle.
Security is tight as a tick. Closed-off roads, FBI explosives experts, members of the Secret Service Uniformed Divisions, an LAPD airship, Dozens of armed guards and a platoon of police officers.
Thousands of cheering Obama supporters are packed on the sidewalk between Hollywood Boulevard and the theatre complex. CNN has set up giant screens outside so the fans can watch. Clinton supporters are outnumbered.
This must be the most hyped primary debate since.. uh..
And is it the known, the understood, the safe, which is causing the excitement?
HELL NO
Video from outside the theater shows a massive, truly massive, crowd of Obama supporters. I mean, thousands of people chanting his name. It's unreal.
Cycloptichorn
I say under. Her attacks have mostly backfired, so she'll keep it clean tonight.
Obama's opening statement went great, so lol at least that part is good.
Cycloptichorn
Kicky erases post?
Cycloptichorn
Not much difference between the two on Health care. Hillary says single payer, gets a pop.. and then says she doesn't support it?
Cycloptichorn
So far, it's very tough to see the sharp distinction required for the undecided to make a choice.