Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:37 pm
Thought some Obama supporters might want to see this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

The NYT on page 1 tomorrow will detail how Bill Clinton flew to Kazakhstan with a canadian mining interest, introduced him to the corrupt Kazakh president, got him hooked up with a contract to mine Uranium (making him the largest Uranium miner in the world, from relative obscurity), and the Clinton foundation received a 137 million dollar donation from said mining interest. The miner went from relative obscurity to selling the business for over 3 billion dollars in about two years.

The Kazakh president has been heavily criticized by one Mrs. Hillary Clinton many times for having a terrible record on human rights and political dissent.

Gloves are coming off now.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Wed 30 Jan, 2008 11:55 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Thought some Obama supporters might want to see this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

The NYT on page 1 tomorrow will detail how Bill Clinton flew to Kazakhstan with a canadian mining interest, introduced him to the corrupt Kazakh president, got him hooked up with a contract to mine Uranium (making him the largest Uranium miner in the world, from relative obscurity), and the Clinton foundation received a 137 million dollar donation from said mining interest. The miner went from relative obscurity to selling the business for over 3 billion dollars in about two years.

The Kazakh president has been heavily criticized by one Mrs. Hillary Clinton many times for having a terrible record on human rights and political dissent.

Gloves are coming off now.

Cycloptichorn
Shocked Blatham is going to lose his mind. NYT going after Clinton? Who's the bad guy?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:31 am
Frank Rich alluded to this in his column last weekend, I was wondering when it was going to pop.

It's important to note that the Clinton foundation took in about 100 million in 2006, so this guy's donation basically doubled the revenue stream.

Also, both Clinton and the financier denied ever having a meeting, until others confirmed it, after which both said 'they forgot about it until now.'

Also, the financier threw Clinton his 60th birthday party with special guest Bon Jovi.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 12:56 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Frank Rich alluded to this in his column last weekend, I was wondering when it was going to pop.

It's important to note that the Clinton foundation took in about 100 million in 2006, so this guy's donation basically doubled the revenue stream.

Also, both Clinton and the financier denied ever having a meeting, until others confirmed it, after which both said 'they forgot about it until now.'

Also, the financier threw Clinton his 60th birthday party with special guest Bon Jovi.

Cycloptichorn
Shocked Really?


(Starts to wonder if Ron Paul is really nuts...)
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blatham
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 01:59 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Thought some Obama supporters might want to see this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

The NYT on page 1 tomorrow will detail how Bill Clinton flew to Kazakhstan with a canadian mining interest, introduced him to the corrupt Kazakh president, got him hooked up with a contract to mine Uranium (making him the largest Uranium miner in the world, from relative obscurity), and the Clinton foundation received a 137 million dollar donation from said mining interest. The miner went from relative obscurity to selling the business for over 3 billion dollars in about two years.

The Kazakh president has been heavily criticized by one Mrs. Hillary Clinton many times for having a terrible record on human rights and political dissent.

Gloves are coming off now.

Cycloptichorn
Shocked Blatham is going to lose his mind. NYT going after Clinton? Who's the bad guy?


You were, I gather, in a coma through the 90s.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 02:02 am
Here's the dictator.



We'll see how long 'till a pic of the developer comes up.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 02:22 am
And here we are.

http://www.bcbusinessmagazine.com/files/magazine/BCBSept07Cover.jpg

From an interview in the Vancouver Sun:

Quote:
"'All of my chips, almost, are on Bill Clinton," he said. "He's a brand, worldwide brand, and he can do things and ask for things that no one else can.'"


Apparently.

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 05:18 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Also, the financier threw Clinton his 60th birthday party with special guest Bon Jovi.

Poor guy.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 07:28 am
Oh my. (The Clinton news.)

********


Last night I had this thought. If I were John Edwards and I wanted Obama to win the nomination (once it became obvious I couldn't), what would I do? I realized I'd probably:

1.) Stay in the race through South Carolina to siphon off the white vote there.

2.) Let it be known that I'd leave the race the morning after Hillary's big "win" in Florida to dominate the coverage that day -- 4 hours of chatter and speculation, about an hour for the press conference/ announcement itself, and then more chatter about the announcement and implications.

2.a) But say nothing about whether I'll endorse anyone and in fact make it seem very possible that I'll endorse no-one, making it big news when I:

3.) Let hints -- but nothing definite -- drop on Thursday afternoon/ early evening that I might be endorsing Obama, shortly before the big debate, in time to rattle Hillary.

4.) If Obama does well in the debate, hold off a bit and let that coverage percolate; if Obama doesn't do well or just does OK, let it be known Friday morning that I'll be endorsing him, then endorse (with much hoopla) about mid-day.


I can see other scenarios too of course -- that private meeting with Hillary that I saved for future reference on my blog worries me, plus I think he does believe what he says about the importance of having a Democrat -- either Democrat -- in the White House, and he may think Hillary is more electable, I don't know.

Plus it's very possible he'll just stay out of the fray.
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blatham
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 08:05 am
nimh wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Also, the financier threw Clinton his 60th birthday party with special guest Bon Jovi.

Poor guy.


That's funny.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 08:53 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Thought some Obama supporters might want to see this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

The NYT on page 1 tomorrow will detail how Bill Clinton flew to Kazakhstan with a canadian mining interest, introduced him to the corrupt Kazakh president, got him hooked up with a contract to mine Uranium (making him the largest Uranium miner in the world, from relative obscurity), and the Clinton foundation received a 137 million dollar donation from said mining interest. The miner went from relative obscurity to selling the business for over 3 billion dollars in about two years.

The Kazakh president has been heavily criticized by one Mrs. Hillary Clinton many times for having a terrible record on human rights and political dissent.

Gloves are coming off now.

Cycloptichorn


Oh my goodness, this is bad. I just read the article quickly, will read it again.

This jumped out at me though:

Quote:
Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan's state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world's largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton's charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra's more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton's inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.


Bill's "fairytale" speech suddenly makes a lot more sense to me.
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:02 am
More on what Clinton and Obama have to do to win over Edwards' primary voters:

Quote:
The fact is that Mr. Edwards's electoral support, like all of the other assets his campaign amassed, is up for grabs, and where it will wind up is not preordained. With just six days before the largest primary day in United States history, what do Senators Obama and Clinton have to do to maximize their potential gains from this opening?

For Senator Clinton, the task is clear. She needs to focus on the economic issues that motivated John Edwards' supporters, but with less of an emphasis on policy proposals, and more on her compassion for those who are hurting in the current economy and who are anxious about their future. According to exit polls, Mr. Edwards won voters who said that the most important quality in a candidate was someone who "cares about people." As a rule of thumb in American politics, female candidates generally do better among voters with this concern than do male candidates. But Senator Clinton cannot maximize this opportunity with her 10-point plan for an economic stimulus or with more emphasis on her experience and readiness for office. To win these voters, she will have to show, taking a page from her husband's 1992 playbook, that she "feels their pain."

For Senator Obama, the opportunity is also manifest. The challenge for him is that the centrist, conciliatory rhetoric that he has been using successfully to win over independent voters is most at odds with the combative, populist message of the Edwards campaign. To win these voters, Senator Obama must show that, in addition to bringing the country together, he will fight for Americans who are not succeeding in the global economy, take on the big economic interests that Mr. Edwards' supporters find suspect, and stare down Republicans who may block his programs. Senator Obama the uniter will need to show that he can be a fighter also.


Plotting the Post-Edwards Strategy
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dyslexia
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:23 am
I'm thinking that as the election moves past the party level (assuming McCain is the nominee) the economy will drift down in rhetoric with Iraq again the primary issue. There's not all that much either party can say/do about the economy but there remains a really big issue with Iraq which I'm thinking will only favor O'Bama.
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:34 am
More damning stuff on a Clinton in the media today - this time on Hillary herself:

Quote:
Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions

Tapes Reviewed by ABC News Show Clinton As a Loyal Company Woman


Jan. 31, 2008

In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.

Clinton has been endorsed for president by more than a dozen unions, according to her campaign Web site, which omits any reference to her role at Wal-Mart in its detailed biography of her.

Wal-Mart's anti-union efforts were headed by one of Clinton's fellow board members, John Tate, a Wal-Mart executive vice president who also served on the board with Clinton for four of her six years.

Tate was fond of repeating, as he did at a managers meeting in 2004 after his retirement, what he said was his favorite phrase, "Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living."

Wal-Mart says Tate's comments "were his own and do not reflect Wal-Mart's views."

But Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton and other company officials often recounted how they relied on Tate to lead the company's successful anti-union efforts.

An ABC News analysis of the videotapes of at least four stockholder meetings where Clinton appeared shows she never once rose to defend the role of American labor unions.

The tapes, broadcast this morning on "Good Morning America," were provided to ABC News from the archives of Flagler Productions, a Lenexa, Kan., company hired by Wal-Mart to record its meetings and events.

A former board member told ABCNews.com that he had no recollection of Clinton defending unions during more than 20 board meetings held in private.

The tapes show Clinton in the role of a loyal company woman. "I'm always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else," she said at a June 1990 stockholders meeting.

Read on...
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:37 am
What's wrong with fighting unions?

When my family was an employer, we had to deal with these union bosses that came in from out of town and insisted on benefits that none of our employees would ever use. We'd have been happy to have paid them more, but we had to give them stuff like twice yearly nasal cavity checkups.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:37 am
Wow.

Interesting timing re: a possible Edwards endorsement...
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nimh
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:39 am
Yeah. I doubt that Edwards will endorse, myself - if the reason he got out was that he didnt want to become famous as the 'spoiler candidate', for the rest of his career blamed by either one or the other half of the party for sinking their campaign, then he's not going to endorse either. But I hope he will, and this article illustrates pretty well why he'd be justified to.
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sozobe
 
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Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:42 am
Yeah, that's a good point. Before he dropped out I was imagining the anger he was going to incur from a whole lot of people pretty much no matter what if he was in fact the kingmaker at the convention.

I'm seeing a lot of speculation that he'll make like Gore and do important things for his issue (poverty vs. global warming) in a bi-partisan, above-the-fray way, and that would also be furthered if he didn't endorse.

But it would also be nice if the president of the U.S. owed him a favor...
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 09:43 am
nimh wrote:
More damning stuff on a Clinton in the media today - this time on Hillary herself:

Quote:
Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions

Tapes Reviewed by ABC News Show Clinton As a Loyal Company Woman
Sweet!
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jan, 2008 10:15 am
dyslexia wrote:
I'm thinking that as the election moves past the party level (assuming McCain is the nominee) the economy will drift down in rhetoric with Iraq again the primary issue. There's not all that much either party can say/do about the economy but there remains a really big issue with Iraq which I'm thinking will only favor O'Bama.


I'd wager the other way. I think that regardless of whether the candidates or parties can influence the economics or not, if it is the fundamental worry of the electorate, then that's what they'll speak to.

Also, it's now part of the obvious strategy of the WH/Pentagon to claim "success in Iraq" and that's a fundamental in McCain's campaign. For Iraq to rise up as a greater concern, some failures or threats will have to be part of that and its precisely what they wish to avoid. It's partly why, along with the personnel shortages (as Hersch predicted) the repugnant warmongers in the Pentagon have shifted over to massive aerial bombardments which reduce american body bags (thought obviously not those irrelevant Iraqi bodybags).

The variable, it seems to me, is whether Obama or Clinton faces McCain. If it is Obama, then McCain will push Iraq/terrorism/surrender for all he's worth. That's less workable with Hilary.
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