OCCOM BILL
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 12:45 am
See for yourself, Cyclo:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2773/gobamascon5.jpg
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 12:48 am
Diest TKO wrote:
I'm kind of feeling like Edwards is set to be the VP candidate again. Does anyone think Hill or Barack would choose each other as running mates.

I don't.

I think I've heard through the mills that they've both declared they would not accept the VP position.

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Even money; I'd wager none of them will be a VP candidate.
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Diest TKO
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 12:55 am
Who is your money on for VP nominee then?

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 01:29 am
The safe choice is Richardson.

I was surprised to see that Edwards, though he didn't have what it took to beat Hillary, did beat her amongst whites.

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 01:29 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Who is your money on for VP nominee then?

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No one without odds. :wink:

Guys with a good shot I'd guess would be: Obama could have it for the asking, I would think... As could Al Gore. Hill I think either wins the nomination or is considered too much baggage. Edwards is a proven loser at VP, can't deliver his home state, and doesn't add anything to Hill or Obama, so I seriously doubt it unless he leverages the DNC. More likely, IMO, would be Biden, Bayh, Clark, Warner or Richardson.

If it's up to Obama, and he's lucky enough to get a far Right opponent; I'd recommend KucinichÂ… because I think he'd be something of a bullet proof vest as a second.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 07:08 am
There is a body of opinion that says Hillary or Obama will have to pick the other to unify the party and to win.


Wes Clark is definitely "running" for Hillary's VP. Jim Webb is another possibility.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 07:41 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
blatham wrote:
Quote:
So, this ugly race is over and it looks like all the racial talk was overblown and overplayed. The voters, once again, made their voices heard and the politicians will have to heed them.
Why post this meaningless dribble? I don't want the election to be about identity politics any more than the next guy, but how does SC demonstrate that it isn't? The black guy got 24% of the white vote and 80% of the black vote... and we're supposed to use that as proof that race isn't where it's at? Again, I'm not suggesting it is outside of SC, but this Digby fool seems to think he's proven something. 55% for a black man is encouraging, and something we can all be proud of... but I wonder if Digby realizes what percentage of these voters were black.


What if we choose to look at it as the "White Guy" (Obama is half white) got 80% of the Black vote and 24% of the White vote?

As for SC not going democratic in November, that remains to be seen. Democratic voter turn out outpaced Republican voter turn out by approx. 100,000 voters.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 07:46 am
I've been saying throughout that I don't think either Obama or Hillary will be the other's VP if one of them gets the nomination. I now think that, if Hillary wins, she'd be more likely to ask Obama, as much as she wouldn't want to -- but I think he'd say no.

I saw some compelling analysis the other day (where? damn, don't think I put it in my blog) that IF Obama doesn't win, he'd be better served as a relatively outside person with a lot of influence rather than VP (and the encouraging thing was that the analysis was that he's going to have a lot of influence, period), then maybe running for Governor of Illinois, then going for the presidency again.

I think I might have just closed that one without saving because all of the "if Obama loses" talk was depressing, but I'm feeling a bit better about his chances today.

Best-case scenario (not necessarily the one that I think will happen, but the one that is the most pleasant to contemplate :-)):

By fighting back successfully against some pretty heavy-duty tactics from Hillary's campaign, Obama shows his mettle and toughness. If the campaign to be nominee were a cakewalk, he'd go into the general election seen as a bit soft and a bit untested. Republicans respect going up against Hillary in full battle mode, and winning. Plus, certain tactics (that Republicans may have planned to use against Obama in the general election) are now easily parried as "the Clintons tried that and it didn't work." A twofer -- allying any specific competing candidate with the Clintons, and old news, already dealt with.

Still a lot of room for stuff to go a lot of ways before election day, though.

Gonna go try to find that victory speech -- the excerpts from the transcript look fantastic.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 08:11 am
Whoa, that was quite a speech!!!

Video here:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/CGxdg
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 08:14 am
Biden or Richardson would be my wish for VP
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Butrflynet
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 08:33 am
A pretty good analysis of where things are at for February 5th:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0128/p25s01-uspo.htm
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Thomas
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 08:38 am
sozobe wrote:
Whoa, that was quite a speech!!!

The speech and its reception reminded me of religious revival meetings I saw on TV. On Super Tuesday, maybe Obama should bring a bath tub to the podium so he can baptize people.

But sore loosership aside -- congratulations to you and your candidate, Sozobe!
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 08:40 am
Thomas wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Whoa, that was quite a speech!!!

The speech and its reception reminded me of religious revival meetings I saw on TV. On Super Tuesday, maybe Obama should bring a bath tub to the podium so he can baptize people.

But sore loosership aside -- congratulations to you and your candidate, Sozobe!


exactly why I don't instinctively trust Obama... he comes off very cultish to me.... and I don't trust those kind of people... that and his uniter not a divider approach... we've had almost 8 years of a guy who campaigned JUST like that...

He did a great job in SC though... can't take that from him
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Thomas
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 08:57 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
that and his uniter not a divider approach... we've had almost 8 years of a guy who campaigned JUST like that...

Did you notice the interesting contrast between his talk about how "we are all united" and his use of words like "them" and "the cynics"? As if nice, non-cynical people couldn't possibly disagree with Obama, and couldn't possibly doubt that he has what it takes to be president.

Obama plays the "us vs them" shtick just like the other candidates. The others just play it more openly.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 08:58 am
Thomas wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Whoa, that was quite a speech!!!

The speech and its reception reminded me of religious revival meetings I saw on TV. On Super Tuesday, maybe Obama should bring a bath tub to the podium so he can baptize people.

But sore loosership aside -- congratulations to you and your candidate, Sozobe!


It reminded me of a College Football Pep Rally the night before the big game. I don't think I recall EVER seeing this much excitement. I find it odd that anyone would look at Messianic appeal as a negative

Sore loser indeeed.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 09:02 am
Messianic appeal IS suspicious when it's staged and sought out.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 09:03 am
Thomas wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
that and his uniter not a divider approach... we've had almost 8 years of a guy who campaigned JUST like that...

Did you notice the interesting contrast between his talk about how "we are all united" and his use of words like "them" and "the cynics"? As if nice, non-cynical people couldn't possibly disagree with Obama, and couldn't possibly doubt that he has what it takes to be president.

Obama plays the "us vs them" shtick just like the other candidates. The others just play it more openly.


yup, and focus' his appeal on those most likely to drink the Kool Aid.
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spendius
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 09:06 am
Is there a possibilty that Hedge-Funders are financing these campaigns and don't care who wins in a similar way that bookies finance horse-racing journalism.
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eoe
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 09:10 am
His speech last night reminded me of when I first saw him, at the 2004 Democratic convention. I was dazzled then and I believe every word still. Me and Caroline. Very Happy
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Ramafuchs
 
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Sun 27 Jan, 2008 09:46 am
"Caroline Kennedy endorses Barack Obama today in an op-ed titled "A President Like My Father" and promulgates more of the ethereal mysticism about Obama being the new JFK. I won't challenge Kennedy's own preferences or her own assessment of her dad's contributions to national life.

But I will say that JFK, as significant a leader as he was, was a hard core Cold War hawk. He approved the invasion of other nations and approved of regime change as a tool of American foreign policy. While in the end, his intellect and the assembled high quality intellectuals he had around him kept the world from falling into a nuclear catastrophe with the Soviet Union, it was Kennedy's youthfulness and his combination of hawkishness and Wilsonian rhetoric that helped precipitate a number of crises.

Messing with the memory of any icon like JFK has its dangers -- but while Caroline Kennedy may not want to feature these parts of her father's legacy in her endorsement of Obama, I feel I must note them. Obama is a compelling candidate who must know that gravity operates even in the White House.

Mysticism and gut will not assure our allies, deter our foes, restore confidence among our citizens, or make America regain its unique national and international character again."

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
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