Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 01:48 pm
That photo reminded me of a lot of the photos my dad used to take of us kids when we were growing up. He had a hard time framing us in the view finder and nearly every photo he took has either one side of our bodies cut off or only shows us from the nose down.
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Miller
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 01:49 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Hey, we're a country where movie mavens has more public interest than our politics. Quit being so hard on Americans.


Is the debt level in California about $20 billion right now? Cool
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Miller
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 01:52 pm
Obama's Rezko problem spills over

LYNN SWEET | When Clinton spotlighted their ties in last week's debate, what had been a local issue suddenly went national

January 26, 2008

COLUMBIA, S.C.--Once Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton uttered the name "Rezko" at a Democratic presidential debate last Monday, she moved to center stage and shined a spotlight on Tony Rezko, facing a Feb. 25 trial on federal corruption charges. Sen. Barack Obama's long relationship with Rezko is a major political problem for him in the primary, and in the general election if he wins the nomination.

Until the debate, Rezko's complicated ties with Obama mainly were contained in the pages of the Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune, with the national press only occasionally visiting the story of a career patron of Obama who raised money for his state and U.S. Senate campaigns.

Rezko debuted as a troublesome factor for Obama in 2006, after his wife bought a parcel of land next to a house the Obamas were purchasing on the same day.

Several things happened recently to highlight Obama's links with Rezko, which date back to Obama's days as a Harvard Law student who got a call from the Chicago businessman offering him a job. Obama turned him down, but they continued a friendship that ended after the house deal and as the federal investigations of Rezko heated up.

Clinton herself elevated Rezko's status as a factor when, during the debate, she called out Obama for "representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner-city Chicago." That was a reference to a Sun-Times story about Rezko's real estate deals where Obama handled about five hours of legal chores.

The timing was bad for Obama because Clinton's willingness to make Rezko an issue triggered major follow-up stories by several national print and television outlets just before Saturday's South Carolina primary and the Feb. 5 primary and caucus votes taking place in 22 states.

With more attention to Rezko, a photo of Rezko and Obama -- the first time the two were pictured together -- was leaked to the Washington-based Politico.com. Raising the ante, a picture of Rezko, flanked by Bill and Hillary Clinton was leaked to NBC just before Hillary Clinton was interviewed on the "Today" show" Friday morning.

"Today" host Matt Lauer asked, "Do you know anything about the picture? Do you know when it was taken? Do you remember meeting this man?"

Clinton said, "No, I don't. You know, I probably have taken hundreds of thousands of pictures."

Clinton was not told during the interview where the picture came from, but the Sun-Times has learned it was likely taken during an event connected to the 1996 Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

In a statement, the Clinton campaign said, "Today, NBC aired an undated photo of Hillary and Bill Clinton taken with Tony Rezko and tried to compare that picture to Sen. Obama's 17-year relationship with the indicted influence peddler. Over the course of her career, Hillary has probably taken tens of thousands of photos. Here are some facts you should know: Tony Rezko has never contributed a dime to Hillary or Bill Clinton. They have no relationship with Tony Rezko."

Obama has never agreed to an interview about Rezko, but after Clinton injected the name into the campaign on Monday, on Wednesday, ABC's "Good Morning America's" Diane Sawyer asked Obama about Rezko. Obama made it seem like he hardly knew Rezko -- who was a friend, a client and a fund-raiser -- and was clueless about Rezko's potential criminal legal problems that had been reported by the Chicago press.

"This is somebody who was active in politics in Illinois, who I knew. Nobody had any indications that he was engaging in wrongdoing. At the point where he was engaging in alleged wrongdoing, it had nothing to do with me, and nobody has made that allegation. And Senator Clinton knows that," Obama said.

Chicago Sun Times
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 02:28 pm
If anyone wants to read the details of the Rezko/Obama relationship through the years you can read it here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-rezko-clinton-080122,0,4526907,print.story

Unlike the Murdoch-owned Chicago Sun Times which just creates a story about the timing of Clinton's lies, the Chicago Tribune spent many months in 2003-2004 investigating the relationship between Obama and Rezko. The above link is their most recent article and lays out the history and what their investigation of the details uncovered.



Then, just for kicks, read this article. It has more links to other sources that confirm the Tribune's investigation and reminds us of the Whitewater investigations into Hillary Clinton's dealings with her own nemesis from her youth.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-russell/whitewater-v-rezko-the-_b_83040.html


Whitewater v. Rezko: The Battle of the Billing Records
Posted January 24, 2008 | 10:45 AM (EST)
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Miller
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 02:37 pm
The Brazen Lies of Barack Obama



(CHICAGO)(May 17, 2007) Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times has been a "true believer" in Barack Obama since at least 2004. She has chronicled his rise to national prominence. But today's column in the Sun-Times indicates that Sweet's tolerance for Obama's insatiable appetite for lying and distortion is ending. "Sweetie," we hardly knew ye.



Likewise, when I began to write about Obama's lies three years ago, no one was interested. They wanted to believe in the "dream." The truth didn't matter. One of these days the truth is going to come crashing down on these true believers. In the meantime, the extreme left of the Democratic Party has viciously attacked me, and forced me to become the point man in a conservative counterattack against Democratic media distortions.



Sweet is sending Obama a message today: Stop Lying! Will he heed, or even receive, Sweet's cri de coeur? Good question. Sweet, of course, is a good deal more polite than I am. I have relentlessly hammered away at Obama's links to indicted Chicago swindler Tony Rezko. But Sweet's remarks today indicate that Obama's endless litany of lies is wearing thin for his supporters in the Chicago media. When will the national media catch up?



Indeed, Sweet was much too polite. She limited herself to Obama's lies on George Stephanopoulos' program Sunday. She didn't tie the entire oeuvre of Obama's mendacity together. I will. Sweet points out that Obama lied when he said that he went to influence peddler Rezko for help buying a "first" house. In reality, Obama lied because he had already purchased a house and his latest mansion was not an innocent first purchase by an unsophisticated rube. He wanted Rezko's juice, and he got it. There was no "boneheaded" mistake as Obama claims. Obama, moreover, was a practicing lawyer who was familiar with real estate law and financing.



Stephanopoulos, of course starts from a prepared script and lacks the ability to zero in on Obama's lies. Obama went on to tell Stephanopoulos Obama didn't take money from "lobbyists." Sweet pointed out that he had, regularly. In his presidential race, Obama even has a lobbyist on his New Hampshire team.



It appears that Michelle Obama is also addicted to untruths and half-truths. Sweet was miffed when Michelle misled Sweet by removing campaign appearances from the "public" calendar because Michelle's stops were "private." Apparently it all depends on your definition of "private" and "public." When is a presidential campaign fund raising stop "private?" Bill Clinton would be proud. He has a way with words too.



What Sweet left out, unfortunately, was the sinew that ties all of Obama's Rezko lies together. Obama was collecting massive "campaign contributions" from Rezko at a time when Rezko had slum tenements in Obama's own state senate district. Obama claims he had no idea Rezko's slums were in his own district, a few short neighborhood steps away. If Obama didn't know what was going on in his own tiny state senate district in Chicago (before being elected to the U. S. Senate) how can we count on him to keep track of the world? How?



Barry Obama has risen to great heights by alternatively playing the race card and brazenly lying about obvious facts, and always hoping that the truth won't catch up with him. So far, it hasn't. It will be a great fall when the truth finally does catch up. And he will then play the race card, again.



Tony Rezko faces serious time in jail. He can cut a deal and "drop the dime" on Obama. Here's predicting Rezko "rolls over" and implicates Obama in some of Rezko's criminal activity. Even if Rezko doesn't, Obama will be a feature at Rezko's criminal trial, just in time for the primary season.



Barry, or Barack, Obama, are you listening? Do you even care? Or are you so addicted to lying you will keep on manifesting contempt for the media and the American people?



Three years and counting I have been telling the truth about Obama. When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?

www.contrariancommentary.com
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Miller
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 02:41 pm
An even bigger load of BS is Obama's tale of having "walked the streets" of Altgeld Gardens.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 03:05 pm
Andy Martin? LOL!

http://www.ilsenate.com/news.asp?ID=20

Quote:
Although we reported on October 14th, that Andy Martin was considering entering the Senate race in Illinois as of today his FEC filings still reflect that he is running for Senate in Florida. However, his website says that he is running for Senate in Illinois and he filed his signature petitions with the Illinois State Board of Elections this Monday.

Martin has a storied history including multiple Senate and Presidential runs. He drew national attention during the 2000 Presidential Race when he ran an ad accusing Bush of taking cocaine:

ANDY MARTIN, REPUBLICAN FOR PRESIDENT: George Bush had a cocaine problem. His brain suffered from alcohol abuse. Don't trust Bush with your vote until he trusts you with the truth about his past. Bush wants to regulate the Internet because he is angry at the Web site gwbush.com. He wants to bomb Iraq. Bush is dangerous, and he wants to be president.

He verbally sparred with FOX News Bill O'Reilly over the ad. O'Reilly called it, "the most unfair political ad I have ever seen in my 25 years of political reporting." Martin responded by saying he would run the ad everywhere in the country and that he would beat President Bush.

Martin's website states the following about his military experience:

Andy comes from a family with four generations of clandestine and special operations service. He is a member of The Special Forces Club (U.K.) and an associate member of the Special Forces Association. He has been associated with Afghanistan, Cambodia, China, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia and South Viet-Nam.

He came back from Iraq in April and held a press conference in New York where he claimed he found Saddam:

On April 30, 2003, I held a New York news conference at which I said Saddam was in Baghdad. This was based on my extensive original research, including the use of local Baghdad dogs (called affectionately the Royal Baghdad Canine Constabulary).

My prediction on April 30th is a matter of record. Subsequent events have proven me correct. The U.S. government is finally paying some attention. Almost two months after I first investigated bomb craters for evidence of Saddam's death, the American military replicated my research. July 9th the New York Post reported Special Forces troops were searching downtown Baghdad, close to where I had originally pinpointed Saddam's location. My investigative efforts and April 30th prediction have been fully confirmed and vindicated.

Throughout his press releases he claims to be the following, "military security and intelligence consultant and a specialist in cyber war tactics," a "respected voice in America's intelligence community," and the host of "Andy Martin's America" and Out2.com column which are "are fulcrums of foreign policy debate, political analysis and contemporary commentary on the Internet."

He also states that he was assistant to former Illinois U.S. Senator Paul H. Douglas, and that he was known as a maverick that fought Daley Machine corruption and helped light the fire that led to Operation Greylord. Martin is a graduate of the University of Illinois and U.I. College of Law.

His press releases include the following statements:

Sharon is the 'new Hitler.' He is a bloodthirsty murderer who kills without conscience. Israel has become a pariah nation under his leadership; not one nation in the world supports Israeli genocide against the Palestinian people.

Ariel Sharon is becoming the Adolph Hitler of the 21st century," says Martin. "He slaughters human beings for sport, while his demented mind slips slowly into societal madness."

I have asked President Bush to ban travel by Americans to Israel," says Martin. "The recent tragedy in Jerusalem, and former President Clinton's offer to 'carry a rifle for Israel' mandate emergency restraint by the U.S. Government.

I favor abolition of child support and reinstatement of Victorian
principles of divorce. The parent who can support the kids gets custody.

A news story out of the New Times Broward-Palm Beach written July 31, 2003 said this of Martin:

Martin, of course, is mad. Quite mad. He's an enigma wrapped in a riddle who probably should be wrapped in a straitjacket. The would-be senator is one of the most prolific and compulsive lawsuit filers in the United States, a first-class shadow-dwelling fugitive from justice, and a perennial also-ran political candidate whose stance on the issues has changed about as often as Michael Jackson's proboscis.
Martin claims his English grandfather fought with T.E. Lawrence against the Turks before joining a British military intelligence unit and disappearing for good.

The Illinois Supreme Court, however, refused to admit him to the bar, pointing to a military psychiatric exam that allegedly found him to have personality defects that include delusions involving both paranoia and grandeur.
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 05:22 pm
http://www.scdp.org/primary_results/

They're all set....

46 counties with 2,277 precincts in 6 congressional districts....


The voting/betting window will close in 40 minutes. Good luck to all.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 05:33 pm
Buttrflynet, What's your take on the Obama-Rezko hallaballu? Anything of import to us ordinaries?
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 05:57 pm
I think their lives and careers inter-twined. They used each other's network of contacts and skills to promote their own causes and careers and stomped on top of but did not cross the line set in the sand for politicians and their appearance of propriety.
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nimh
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:10 pm
Obama projected to win South Carolina primary

"by a substantial margin"
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:13 pm
Quote:
Obama projected winner in South Carolina
Economy remained top concern; half of electorate was black

NBC News and news services
updated 6 minutes ago
COLUMBIA, S.C. - NBC News declared Sen. Barack Obama as the projected winner in South Carolina's Democratic primary.

Obama won South Carolina by a substantial margin, with Hillary Rodham Clinton running second and John Edwards third, NBC reported.

Obama reached out for victory over Clinton in a racially charged primary, a prelude to the Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 national convention delegates.
...

Quote:
Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate."

By week's end, one poll indicated that Obama's support among whites in the state had dropped sharply, a danger sign for him in the rush of primaries and caucuses that begins on Feb. 5.




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22854377/
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:15 pm
Barack Obama wins South Carolina, CNN projects

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/26/sc.primary/index.html
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sozobe
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:19 pm
Goodness.

I won't be able to check in for a while FYI, just here for a second.

Not celebrating yet!
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Butrflynet
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:21 pm
I'm not going to celebrate until I see a good portion of the precincts' vote counts.
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old europe
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:22 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Barack Obama wins South Carolina, CNN projects

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/26/sc.primary/index.html


Yes. With 0% of precincts reporting.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC

How do they do that?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:27 pm
Ain't building up my hopes yet, but Obama's lead sounds like a rout.
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nimh
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:29 pm
old europe wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
Barack Obama wins South Carolina, CNN projects

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/26/sc.primary/index.html


Yes. With 0% of precincts reporting.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SC

How do they do that?

Exit pollster interviewed a whole lot of people as they left the polling stations... far more than any regular poll reaches. Now if the results are anywhere near close, the networks wont be going on these exit polls to call a race, because... well, you know how much may be wrong with them. But if the exit polls have one candidate leading the other by 55% to 27% ( Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation ), as now seems to be the case, there's no doubt.
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old europe
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:32 pm
Uhm..... thanks for a straightforward answer..... I guess.

Exit polls. Of course.



Nimh, did you just come back and edit some yellow exclamation marks into your post?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Sat 26 Jan, 2008 06:33 pm
OBAMARAMA

SECOND OF MANY

Cycloptichorn
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