dyslexia
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 08:43 am
Ticomaya wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
noinipo wrote:
The last time we witnessed the shady victory of a man who turned out to be the worst president in US history.


That was way back in 1975.
Richard Milhous Nixon was the thirty-seventh President of the United States serving from 1969 until his resignation in 1974.


That's right, dys. But the worst president in US history was campaigning in 1975.
well, I suppose one could opine that Yes Gerald Ford did campaign in '75 and lost but i wouldn't go so far as to say he was the worst president in US history.
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teenyboone
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 08:52 am
Ticomaya wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
Now I think it's time for one of my children to show the world what a colorless society, SHOULD look like, which is why I'm voting for Obama in NJ on 2/5!


I see. You think society should be colorless, and that's why you're voting for a black man. Taking your post at face value -- and I concede I don't know you, and don't know what all of the factors are -- that appears to be the only reason you're voting for him.

If you truly wanted a colorless society, you would stop looking at people on the basis of their skin color. That, to me, was Dr. King's message. When I look at Obama, I don't see a black man ... I see a candidate whose policies I don't agree with ... that's the reason I won't support him. I think if everyone would start looking at people for who they are and what they stand for, we would achieve your stated goal. Until that time, so long as people -- including yourself -- continue to regard people on the basis of skin color, that goal will never be achieved.

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He just happens to be black! I reject Hillary, because she has no record, yet she lies that she does! She's injected race, as did Biden in one of his comments! No where in my post did I say, I was voting for Obama, because he is Black! YOU injected race, not me! It just kills me that these campaigns want to be "allwhite", ALL the Time! If I can vote for a white person, why can't I vote for a Black one, who is qualified? Are you a racist?
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dyslexia
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:09 am
I don't at all think Tico is a racist but i to think tico is stuck in a rigid box of labels concerning liberal/conservative which excludes his ability to deal with issues beyond the pale of labels. Sad, I think because I for one have many issues of complained re both liberals and conservatives but feel unable to voice them on this forum because of the locked-up brains of people like Tico and okie. It must be comforting to just go with "liberal=evil vs conservative=good" well, at least it must feel like a simplistic way to go for the feable minded. I suppose one must keep in mind that law schools teach one how to argue a case to win rather than how to argue a case to discover truth, it's the nature of the beast.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:11 am
dyslexia wrote:
I don't at all think Tico is a racist but i to think tico is stuck in a rigid box of labels concerning liberal/conservative which excludes his ability to deal with issues beyond the pale of labels. Sad, I think because I for one have many issues of complained re both liberals and conservatives but feel unable to voice them on this forum because of the locked-up brains of people like Tico and okie. It must be comforting to just go with "liberal=evil vs conservative=good" well, at least it must feel like a simplistic way to go for the feable minded. I suppose one must keep in mind that law schools teach one how to argue a case to win rather than how to argue a case to discover truth, it's the nature of the beast.


Very well put.
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teenyboone
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:16 am
dyslexia wrote:
I don't at all think Tico is a racist but i to think tico is stuck in a rigid box of labels concerning liberal/conservative which excludes his ability to deal with issues beyond the pale of labels. Sad, I think because I for one have many issues of complained re both liberals and conservatives but feel unable to voice them on this forum because of the locked-up brains of people like Tico and okie. It must be comforting to just go with "liberal=evil vs conservative=good" well, at least it must feel like a simplistic way to go for the feable minded. I suppose one must keep in mind that law schools teach one how to argue a case to win rather than how to argue a case to discover truth, it's the nature of the beast.


And I go with liberal-good and conservative-evil! Get a dictionary and look the word up, instead of your self-interpretation! I'm not a lawyer and don't pretned to be one and resident know it all, like some posters profess to be! It's why this country is in trouble from narro-wminded people, who are taught racial predjudice! Race is still the biggest problem in this country! Evil or Very Mad
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maporsche
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:22 am
So teeny.....if I'm voting for Hillary, who has essentially the exact same voting record as Obama (with the exception of the 1st vote of the war when Obama was lucky enough not to be in the Senate to have to make that choice), do you believe that it is because of some underlying racist beliefs that I hold.
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dyslexia
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:23 am
teenyboone wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
I don't at all think Tico is a racist but i to think tico is stuck in a rigid box of labels concerning liberal/conservative which excludes his ability to deal with issues beyond the pale of labels. Sad, I think because I for one have many issues of complained re both liberals and conservatives but feel unable to voice them on this forum because of the locked-up brains of people like Tico and okie. It must be comforting to just go with "liberal=evil vs conservative=good" well, at least it must feel like a simplistic way to go for the feable minded. I suppose one must keep in mind that law schools teach one how to argue a case to win rather than how to argue a case to discover truth, it's the nature of the beast.


And I go with liberal-good and conservative-evil! Get a dictionary and look the word up, instead of your self-interpretation! I'm not a lawyer and don't pretned to be one and resident know it all, like some posters profess to be! It's why this country is in trouble from narro-wminded people, who are taught racial predjudice! Race is still the biggest problem in this country! Evil or Very Mad
so sorry I expressed my opinion (self-interpretation) and yes, I probably do "pretned" to be a know it all and no, I also an not a lawyer. I probably am also a "narro-wminded" person who devotes my life to teaching racial prejudice.
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edgarblythe
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 09:27 am
I am sure there are many Democrats, such as myself, who decided to vote for Clinton before Obama became a factor in the election. I see no reason to change my vote based on color/gender, at this point.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 10:21 am
I've been so busy over the last couple of weeks doing a flurry of events Ive barely looked at the news or anything but tell me..... who won the Nevada caucus? Cool

with my apoligies for dumping my "inevitable candidate" bullshit on anyone's sacred ground here....
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 10:21 am
edgarblythe wrote:
I am sure there are many Democrats, such as myself, who decided to vote for Clinton before Obama became a factor in the election. I see no reason to change my vote based on color/gender, at this point.


ditto.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 10:52 am
I have to say I don't really get that -- you decided to vote for someone way in advance and then you just don't really pay attention to anything else because you've already decided?

Of course don't change your mind based on color or gender -- but what about changing your mind based on issues, or how a given person conducts his or her campaign, or implications for America's ability to repair relations with the rest of the world, or or or...

If you say that you've examined Obama closely and you still prefer Hillary, that's one thing -- but with "who decided to vote for Clinton before Obama became a factor in the election" it sounds like you've never really given Obama a close look in the first place.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 10:54 am
I'm with you, soz. That's the reason I still haven't made up my mind on who I will vote for in November; it's still too early to call - IMHO.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 11:49 am
teenyboone wrote:
He just happens to be black! I reject Hillary, because she has no record, yet she lies that she does! She's injected race, as did Biden in one of his comments! No where in my post did I say, I was voting for Obama, because he is Black! YOU injected race, not me! It just kills me that these campaigns want to be "allwhite", ALL the Time! If I can vote for a white person, why can't I vote for a Black one, who is qualified? Are you a racist?
Shocked What a bizarre screed. Your entire post was about racism and concluded that that is why your are voting for Obama. If you have any integrity; re-read it and then come back and apologize to Tico for this inexplicable outburst.
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FreeDuck
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 11:55 am
I don't really get that either. It's like supporting her because she's next in line. I remember as soon as she announced her candidacy she was like the defacto nominee. The idea of a Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton pattern really nauseates me. So does the idea that she's somehow going to get in the White House and return things to the nineties. And I think that has a lot to do with it -- people think they're voting for her but getting Bill, like folks thought they were voting for W and getting HW. As much as I think she's capable and qualified, the idea of the next 4 to 8 years with her as president really depresses me.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 12:14 pm
Juan Williams on FOX News Sunday had this very interesting (paraphrased) comment to make:

Obama needs to return to his presence as a compelling candidate; larger than his racial identity.

The Clintons have successfully reduced him to The Black Candidate, and this has happened within the Democratic Party - it's painful.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 12:35 pm
or maybe we decided to vote for Hillary and no one has been able to do anything or show us anything significant enough to make us change our minds... it doesn't mean we're not paying attention... it's means other candidates aren't swaying us....
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Ticomaya
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 01:10 pm
teenyboone wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
teenyboone wrote:
Now I think it's time for one of my children to show the world what a colorless society, SHOULD look like, which is why I'm voting for Obama in NJ on 2/5!


I see. You think society should be colorless, and that's why you're voting for a black man. Taking your post at face value -- and I concede I don't know you, and don't know what all of the factors are -- that appears to be the only reason you're voting for him.

If you truly wanted a colorless society, you would stop looking at people on the basis of their skin color. That, to me, was Dr. King's message. When I look at Obama, I don't see a black man ... I see a candidate whose policies I don't agree with ... that's the reason I won't support him. I think if everyone would start looking at people for who they are and what they stand for, we would achieve your stated goal. Until that time, so long as people -- including yourself -- continue to regard people on the basis of skin color, that goal will never be achieved.


He just happens to be black! I reject Hillary, because she has no record, yet she lies that she does! She's injected race, as did Biden in one of his comments! No where in my post did I say, I was voting for Obama, because he is Black! YOU injected race, not me! It just kills me that these campaigns want to be "allwhite", ALL the Time! If I can vote for a white person, why can't I vote for a Black one, who is qualified? Are you a racist?


I just told you when I look at Obama I don't see a black man. Does that sound like a racist to you?

No, I think the person who looks at someone and focuses on the color of their skin, is a racist. You may not agree, or you may find that a bitter pill to swallow, but that is what I believe.
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FreeDuck
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 01:12 pm
What if their skin is bright red from a sunburn. Do you try not to notice?
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kickycan
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 01:15 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
when I look at Obama I don't see a black man. Does that sound like a racist to you?


No. Actually, it sounds more like a giant load of horseshit.
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snood
 
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Sun 20 Jan, 2008 01:18 pm
Laughing



ANYway,

I understood what you said about "a colorblind society", and voting for Obama, teenyboone.

Don't bust a gasket trying to explain stuff that either someone gets at the first, or not at all.
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