Obama '08?

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blueflame1 wrote:

teeny, Lowry and Lewis, 2 great men stuck in the middle of this nonsense. MLK is being badly used. "I believe both Clintons want to win, by any means." I believe that too.

You know, I really like her, but these statements send a bad message. Like everyone else, I loved the Clintons. No matter the set-up scandals and innuendos, lobbed at both of them, the 8 years, they graced the White House, Clinton, is the only President of memory who had a surplus, rather than a deficit.

In walks a dyslexic, paranoid schizophrenic, draft dodging, drug snorting, "mama's boy", with his greedy, mean, alter-ego, Cheney and Condi Rice, with all her brilliance, settles to be the professional "go-pher, cheerleading, butt-kissing", ?girlfriend? to this blundering idiot, with "schitt", for brains!
Embarrassed

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blatham wrote:

Obama handled this all perfectly. Smart, smart man.

I'm in new york right now joining Lola for a yearly psychoanalytic conference. We went for dinner with about twenty others tonight and a lady came and sat next to us because she wanted to meet 'bernie'. We began talking politics right off the bat and I was saying negative things about press coverage of the election. She'd mentioned that her husband, who's in DC, couldn't come because he's too busy and then I inquired what he did. Turns out he's the publisher for the Washington Post. Bernie was a bit embarrassed. We yakked for two hours full tilt. Wonderful woman. Wonderful stories about Katherine Grapham, Jim Lehrer, Ben Bradlee. Sheesh...that was fun.[/quote
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Sounds like you had a great evening!

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teenyboone wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:
teeny, Lowry and Lewis, 2 great men stuck in the middle of this nonsense. MLK is being badly used. "I believe both Clintons want to win, by any means." I believe that too.

You know, I really like her, but these statements send a bad message. Like everyone else, I loved the Clintons. No matter the set-up scandals and innuendos, lobbed at both of them, the 8 years, they graced the White House, Clinton, is the only President of memory who had a surplus, rather than a deficit.

In walks a dyslexic, paranoid schizophrenic, draft dodging, drug snorting, "mama's boy", with his greedy, mean, alter-ego, Cheney and Condi Rice, with all her brilliance, settles to be the professional "go-pher, cheerleading, butt-kissing", ?girlfriend? to this blundering idiot, with "schitt", for brains!

You have a very dry sense of humor, teenyboone. I like that.

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Yes, Obama is very classy. He has said from the very beginning that if he loses, it won't be because of race. He handled it very smartly.

Can't say the same for Hillary, although she did give what appears to be a good try but is really quite cunning.

See my post here for the details.

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I'm getting kind of scared about the Obama campaign machine (Headed up by a white guy isn't it? Axlerod? Cool

)

The Clinton Machine is formidable and yet the Obama Machine has not only been holding it's own but coming out ahead at times.

This current flap spells brilliance.

Obama is riding the wave. Hillary weeps and applies the brakes. Does Hillary now have the momentum?

In a brilliant political jujitsu move the Obama campaign has used the inability of the Clinton Machine to quit while it is ahead to slingshot itself back to the front.

Hillary's MLK vs LBJ comments were accurate and anything but dismissive of the contributions of MLK, and yet she just had to press the issue of her "experience" vs his "inspiration" in a way that buried the point.

Now we have the delicious sight of the Clintons claiming that Obama is playing the race card while Obama gets to stand above the fray and declare how the Clinton charges are "baffling." They make racist comments and then blame me for playing the race card.

Of course the Obama campaign jumped on the Clinton's comments and sent them flying throughout the internet and found any number of surrogates to decry them, but Obama got to lay claim to the highground.

Brilliant.

All the more brilliant because Obama seems perfectly capable of matching the Clinton Machine ploy for ploy.

This is a a very cool race. I love it.

Watch out Republicans.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Of course the Obama campaign jumped on the Clinton's comments and sent them flying throughout the internet

Can you back up this claim? Seems to me that it was the media that did all of the jumping and flying throughout the internet.

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Butrflynet wrote:

Yes, Obama is very classy. He has said from the very beginning that if he loses, it won't be because of race. He handled it very smartly.

Can't say the same for Hillary, although she did give what appears to be a good try but is really quite cunning.

See my post here for the details.

Please.

Obama is, by general standards, a pretty good guy, but he is someone that thinks he should be president, and someone who wants to be president.

As such, he can't be judged by normal standards. He is in no way normal.

If either Obama or Hillary were true standard bearers of their professed principles, both would be looking to withdraw from the race so that a Woman or a African-American might possibly win.

But of course they are not, and why? Because they don't really care about whether or not a black or a woman is president as long as it is them.

Fair enough.

They're no different, in this regard, from the Republican candidates, but it would be appreciated if you Dem cultists would spare us the blather about The Expected Ones.

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You are spared from it. It is in a separate topic thread. I have no control over the self-inflicted wounds you impose on your psychic by clicking on this thread to read what is being said.

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If either Obama or Hillary were true standard bearers of their professed principles, both would be looking to withdraw from the race so that a Woman or a African-American might possibly win.

This is a loony statement.

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dear dem supporters

The point that Obama has just made re small differences, past contributions to civil rights, deepest intentions, and the harms of divisiveness are being violated by a lot of us here just as in the campaigns (and, happily built larger and promoted by a controversy and gossip-loving media).

Either he really thinks and means this, or, he is simply parroting a PR-designed strategy to appear above the fray.

If you consider the first to be a more accurate description of why he said what he said (as I do) then perhaps here on a2k and elsewhere in our lives we ought to take his suggestion ourselves.

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I thought Hillary was a "Woman". I dont understand American politics.

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snood wrote:

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If either Obama or Hillary were true standard bearers of their professed principles, both would be looking to withdraw from the race so that a Woman or a African-American might possibly win.

This is a loony statement.

Not loony so much as completely unhelpful through taking a proposition and bending it to an illogical extreme, a la "if people were really charitable then they would give all their belongings and property to the poor".

But in most other respects, I found that post by finn astute and carefully thought.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

I thought Hillary was a "Woman". I dont understand American politics.

steve

It is an enigma wrapped in a flag and soaked in a bath with pale virgins.

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so nothing to do with chosing a President then?

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I'm busy. Ask me again when I'm out of the bath.

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sozobe wrote:

Fascinating exchange between Rev. Joseph Lowry (Obama supporter) and Congressman John Lewis (Clinton supporter) on "Newshour" just now. Lowry did really well IMO, I'll try to find a transcript later.

Here 'tis:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/race_01-14.html

One thing I note about it -- the coverage today is "Clinton, Obama seek to end race row," "Democratic rivals try to calm racial rhetoric, "Clinton and Obama camps tone down rhetoric," etc.

Reading the headlines and the introductory paragraphs gives you the impression that it was pretty much mutually arrived at. The exceptions are the articles that were published between when Obama made his comments, at the press conference he called for that purpose, and when Hillary issued a statement in response.

However, Lowery's comments are very much in keeping with what Obama was saying. A focus on issues and positivity. Lewis' comments are much more in keeping with what had been coming from the Clinton campaign, especially in seeking to lay this whole thing at the feet of Obama. Rangel, about when Hillary was issuing her response, was saying:

Quote:

Rep. Charles B. Rangel said in a CNN interview that Obama was "absolutely stupid" in his part of the exchange over the relative influence of Rev. Martin Luther King and President Lyndon Johnson in passing civil rights legislation.

"How race got into this thing is because Obama said 'race,'" Rangel said in an interview. "But there is nothing that Hillary Clinton has said that baffles me."

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/rangel_obama_remarks_absolutel.html

What this says to me (among other things, not just the above) is that de-escalation is much more Obama's doing, and Hillary reacted. That's not what you'd think from the coverage, though.

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sozobe wrote:

The exceptions are the articles that were published between when Obama made his comments, at the press conference he called for that purpose, and when Hillary issued a statement in response.

I'll go ahead and amend this -- more absolute than I intend. I found this, for example (AP via Editor and Publisher, who I think provided the title -- this seems supported by a Google search):

Getting Race out of the Race? Obama Signals 'Truce' in Chat with Reporters

But for work I've been scanning the news items on Google and I noticed that it seems to be overwhelmingly portrayed as something equivalent. Random sample:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d130/sozobe/clintonetal.jpg

Check out those teasers, too. ("US presidential rivals Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama sought to put an end Monday to a bitter row over the race issue which has clouded ..")

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