Obama '08?

The approved/accepted Resident of WH is still at large( Invisible)
bye bye D.
Ramafuchs

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teenyboone wrote:

au1929 wrote:
Obama needs a lot of growing up before he is qualfied if he ever is for higher office.

Obama's song. Promises, promises. Dazzle them with promises.

So, where does he need to grow? Isn't he educated enough? Is he not a good father? Husband?? Caring? Knows what;s needed to heal America, from 8 years of dictatorship? Where?

You are correct in questioning au1929's post. We've had many presidents, almost all of them had decades of experience. How many of them actually made big fundamental changes that actually helped the PEOPLE? What good is experience if all it produces is the same people in different clothing that don't give a F*CK about changing anything? Once you're president, you can make change happen even if you're a complete incompetent. Just look at George W. Bush for an example of that. It's a stupid argument, and it will lead to us having the same old insiders that we always get.

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Americans can't see that we need a 100 percent overhaul of our government in Washington. Until that happens, everything will remain the same - including the war in Iraq, our economy in crisis, and more Americans losing their health insurance, their jobs and homes, and their sanity.

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cicerone, "
Americans can't see that we need a 100 percent overhaul of our government in Washington." I dont see how that can happen without 100% public financing of campaigns.

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kickycan
And what does Obama bring to the table? An unspecified change. I don't believe in buying a pig in a poke. For all I know it could be the color scheme of the White House linen that he wants to change.
Let's not forget our present man in the white house brought much change. All of it disastrous.
It is time for Obama to put up or shutup and to stop trying to sell change without being specific.

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au1929 wrote:

kickycan
And what does Obama bring to the table? An unspecified change. I don't believe in buying a pig in a poke. For all I know it could be the color scheme of the White House linen that he wants to change.
Let's not forget our present man in the white house brought much change. All of it disastrous.
It is time for Obama to put up or shutup and to stop trying to sell change without being specific.

He has been quite specific, if you would bother to pay attention.

Cycloptichorn

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Cyclo

What is he talking in code that only you can understand?

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Cyclo
The only thing that he was specific about was the Medical plan. That proved to me that when it comes to understanding people he is naive. The young and healthy will not voluntarily sign up.

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au1929 wrote:

Cyclo

What is he talking in code that only you can understand?

Well, English. But it is generally well understood...

What is it you fell he hasn't been specific about, exactly? I'm sure that if you name the topic, a simple google search will provide the information you like.

Cycloptichorn

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As I said they only thing he has been specific about is his medical plan. Which without a mandate is a wet dream.

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au1929 wrote:

And what does Obama bring to the table? An unspecified change. I don't believe in buying a pig in a poke. For all I know it could be the color scheme of the White House linen that he wants to change. [..]

I'm sorry - I'm no fan of Obama - but this is ridiculous. For all you know all he wants to change the color scheme? What, you have no idea whatsoever of any plan he has on any kind of policies?

Mister - his rhetoric may be more abstract and vague than that of other candidates, and I dont like it much. But this is just going overboard. The man has been pumping out specific plans on concrete policies with the best of 'em. He's put out concrete proposals on what he would do on pretty much all the major issues of the day. Those proposals have been covered extensively in the papers and magazines. They've been praised, they've been criticised, but they've been there.

I, too, think Obama is too abstract when it comes to, like, his overall mission. Sometimes it seems to me like he wants to be a strong liberal and a conciliatory moderate at the same time. But thats on the top-level, thats talking of his image, his mission statement so to say. When it comes to individual policies, individual issues, he's got lots of plans, they're pretty detailed, they're specific, and they're out there for who wants to see 'em. To say that you havent got a clue of anything at all he might be doing as President is just.. I mean, then you just dont want to know.

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au1929 wrote:

As I said they only thing he has been specific about is his medical plan. Which without a mandate is a wet dream.

OK, like Cyclo asked: What is it you feel he hasn't been specific about, exactly? A single subject you feel he has nothing specific about - nothing you agree with but also nothing you disagree with - just nothing?

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Meanwhile, on a note of criticism of the Obama camp -- this is what I came here for -- I'm sorry, but this must be the lamest attack in the whole Democratic primary so far. This is just really, really lame.

Quote:

Obama's national campaign co-chairman, Jesse Jackson Jr., slammed Clinton's now-famous misty-eyed moment by wondering aloud why she didn't shed public tears for victims of Hurricane Katrina, for example.

"They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for," Jackson told MSNBC.

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au1929 wrote:

kickycan
And what does Obama bring to the table?

I was actually arguing more against your comment about him being naive.

I just don't think experience is such a huge factor. None of them have been president before as far as I know. That makes them equal in my book. Of course, I will concede that most of the rest of them know a lot more about the ins and outs of how lobbyist kickbacks, payoffs and bribes work.

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joefromchicago wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:
Barack Obama has won the presidential endorsement of Sen. John Kerry, the Democrats' 2004 nominee who lost to George W. Bush.

Well, that should sway about three votes.

Doesnt this picture look unintentionally telling? Razz

http://imgsrv.1010wins.com/image/DbGraphic/200801/824464.jpg

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With respect to Obama's lack of experience, I believe it isn't so much his ability that is questioned, but rather the ability of the public to estimate what he is made of, based on a verifiable record of some kind or another. That plus the rather deliberate vaguery of most of his political rhetoric does indeed provide a basis for uncertainty that itself could be decisive.

I agree with Nimh -- the photo with Kerry is indeed evocative of these concerns. I doubt it will do Obama any good.

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georgeob1 wrote:

With respect to Obama's lack of experience, I believe it isn't so much his ability that is questioned, but rather the ability of the public to estimate what he is made of, based on a verifiable record of some kind or another. That plus the rather deliberate vaguery of most of his political rhetoric does indeed provide a basis for uncertainty that itself could be decisive.

I agree with Nimh -- the photo with Kerry is indeed evocative of these concerns. I doubt it will do Obama any good.

I can't believe it!!!

Me and george agree on something. I could not agree more. Who does this obama guy think he is. Hes a talking head as far as I'm concerned.

I can't really find any bad or good history on him. You are what you do or have done. Where do I go to investigate this guy, he hasn't done anything.

This isn't a job for the new guy.

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See, there is still hope for you ! Smile

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As we progress into the primaries, McCain is beginning to look better, but I'm still gonna wait till next November to make up my mind. Anything can happen in the next ten months.

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georgeob1 wrote:

See, there is still hope for you !

No, you agree with me. I don't agree with you.

I knew you'd come around buddy. Razz

P.S. Viva Chavez!

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