Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:06 pm
CNN has now projected that Edwards will finish third.
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:06 pm
The future Resident of White house is invisible
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:07 pm
McCain is up by 9 points but no projections yet.
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snood
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:08 pm
to ramafuchs:

Shocked

Does he live under a toadstool in the forest, and come visit you when you're sad and blue?
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Roxxxanne
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:13 pm
NBC calls it for McCain and now Fox and CNN
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:24 pm
Sorry
I am for change and hope
But not withi this CORPORATE Drama.
I am quite sure that the future butcher( read President) is invisible.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:26 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
Sorry
I am for change and hope
But not withi this CORPORATE Drama.
I am quite sure that the future butcher( read President) is invisible.


You make about as much sense as Spendius.
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sozobe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:27 pm
Think this is about McCain? That the independents went for him instead of Obama -- maybe even because with the polls and everything they thought Obama would win easily without their help?

If Hillary wins this, I'm going to be way more mad about Bill's "fairytale" speech than I have been so far. (Obama has been consistently against the Iraq war. Obama and Hillary have not had exactly the same voting record since 2004. I don't know what those "crook" claims are but in context I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the same category as the first two claims.)

From exit polls, a significant number of people decided who to vote for today.

Argh, 40-35. Need to get to bed.
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nimh
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:36 pm
I'm looking at these exit polls for the Dem race..

No totals, but if you calculate them on the basis of the male and female numbers, you get 39% for Obama and 38% for Hillary...
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:37 pm
I don't have a tv, soz, so I am just sitting here looking at the raw numbers. I think McCain could take some votes away from Obama.

But add up the votes for the Dems: 42,000. Repubs: 22,000.

This in a state that is/was Repub. Massive turnout for Dems, but so far not the surge towards Obama that we expected.

The night is young.
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kickycan
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:37 pm
McCain, McShmain. It's a well-known fact that in any male-female conflict/competition, as soon as the woman starts to cry, the guy is sunk. Obama can't win against that! It's over! Obama will now fade faster than Giuliani's hairline.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:39 pm
We'll see. Hillary led in IA in the early precincts as well; my guess is that the more urban the area, the more Obama the vote.

Cycloptichorn
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Ramafuchs
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:42 pm
The next Resident is not a lady nor a alibi intellectual.
USA is not yet civilized to uphold the unfulfilled AMERICAN DREAM
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nimh
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:53 pm
This NH prof described, ahead of the results, what to watch out for in the results from town to town, city to city - in the Democratic race.

(He also has an overview for the Repubs, but thats irrelevant now already).

So how's it working out? Here's a page with some local results, so let's compare:

Quote:
Early on, watch the cities of Manchester and Keene.

Manchester still has significant pockets of working-class voters, and is a good bellwether for the Hillary Clinton blue-collar vote. If Clinton carries Manchester by a wide margin, expect the results to be closer than expected. If Obama keeps close in Manchester, expect him to win comfortably statewide.

And if Obama carries Manchester, well, whoa Nelly! The rout is on.

Results so far:

Clinton 6,095, Obama 4,168 in 8 of 12 Manchester wards

Quote:
Keene is located in the heart of Cheshire County, one of the most liberal counties in the state. If Clinton can carry Keene, she may pull a shocking upset. If Obama is winning statewide, he should carry this city comfortably.

Results so far:

Obama 2,048, Clinton 1,479 in 4 of 5 Keene wards

Quote:
Another good early bellwether is the town of Bow, just south of Concord. Lots of upscale, well-educated Democrats here. Again, if Clinton carries Bow, maybe it will be a longer night than expected. If Obama takes Bow comfortably, things are going as predicted for him.

Dont see results for Bow..

Quote:
Other key towns to watch: Rye and Exeter on the Seacoast; Bedford, Merrimack and Londonderry in the Interstate 93 corridor. All should be part of Obamaland if the polls are right.

Dont see any of those either..
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 07:59 pm
Nimh -

http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html

Or if that doesn't work, go to the politico and click on the NH graphic on the right side.

Cheers
Cycloptichorn
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realjohnboy
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 08:05 pm
If you are watching the results on the Concord Monitor site, you can look down the left hand column to Blogs. The 3rd one down is Primary Monitor which seems to report city by city reports. Bow for Obama, for example.
I hope that helps.
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nimh
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 08:10 pm
Thanks! So:

Quote:
Another good early bellwether is the town of Bow, just south of Concord. Lots of upscale, well-educated Democrats here. Again, if Clinton carries Bow, maybe it will be a longer night than expected. If Obama takes Bow comfortably, things are going as predicted for him.


Obama 810, Clinton 701 in Bow

Obama does win, but not entirely comfortably..
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old europe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 08:14 pm
per cyc's website:


Keene (80%):

Clinton: 29,93 %

Obama: 41,44 %
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nimh
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 08:31 pm
The bloggers at TNR about Hillary apparently better than expected performance -- but more importantly, about the nature of looming media narratives, and why they would be easy to seize on for the Hillary campaign.

Quote:
Why is this so close?

Why isn't this the Obama crush that everybody predicted? The Obama spin is that younger voters show up later and will be counted later. But I have a few very preliminary thoughts. First, I'm not sure that the independent share of the electorate grew today quite as much as the pollsters were modeling. That means results will hinge more on Democratic regulars, where Hillary was always relatively strong. Secondly, I think that Hillary's tears may have affected things. At the very least, it may have helped build sympathy among Democrats and caused them to return to her. Thirdly, Bill Clinton made a fairly persuasive argument yesterday: That it's the duty of New Hampshire voters to keep this race alive so that voters can take a longer, harder look at Obama. It was a good process argument. Like I said, these are very provisional thoughts and we don't know how things will shake out tonight.

--Frank Foer


Quote:
Hope at Hillary Central

I'm in the press room at the Clinton site near Manchester, and her aides think there's a real possibility she'll outperform expectations. Apparently their final exit polls were quite promising. As compared to a very sour mood Thursday night, campaign staffers are upbeat--in fact I'm pretty sure I just saw two of them give one another a sort of high-five hand clasp that sure looked celebratory to me.

The reporters here, meanwhile, are already discussing a possible new campaign narrative.

This could all be rendered moot within an hour, of course. But I know the junkies out there are dying for even a quick fix, so there it is.

Update: Something to keep in mind: Hillary may have an added advantage here, as one person close to her explained to me, because there is a pre-existing New Hampshire "Comeback Kid" narrative that is easy for the media to tell. (I've been hearing "comeback kid" predictions from Clintonites for a few days now, no doubt planting seeds they hope will flower in an easy press storyline.)

--Michael Crowley


Quote:
Here Comes the Comeback Kid

Jon already mentioned the expectations debate that the unexpected tightness on the Democratic side has occassioned. Alas, I don't think that's a debate that Obama can win. When I was in New Hampshire, I heard more than one smart, plugged-in political person predict that Obama would get 50 percent of the Democratic primary vote. Bill claimed comeback kid status in 1992 when he lost to Tsongas by 8 points. Look for Hillary to make a similar claim if she keeps it within 10. And, given the media's perhaps irrational exuberance over Obama, look for the political press to buy it.

--Jason Zengerle
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old europe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Jan, 2008 08:37 pm
Quote:
Other key towns to watch: Rye and Exeter on the Seacoast; Bedford, Merrimack and Londonderry in the Interstate 93 corridor. All should be part of Obamaland if the polls are right.


Rye (100%)

Clinton: 32.09 %
Obama: 45.94 %



Londonderry (100%)

Clinton: 40.72 %
Obama: 37.52 %
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