By the way JPB, did you see that Bill Bradley endorsed Obama? Yay.
CNN lead this AM:
Is Obama pulling out of reach? Who would have thunk it?
sozobe wrote:By the way JPB, did you see that Bill Bradley endorsed Obama? Yay.
No, but I love it. How many times have said how much I regret that we didn't get to choose between Bradley and McCain eight years ago? An election of real choice instead of Bush/Gore or Bush/Kerry. I still believe those elections were 50/50 because they were elections of no choice. Obama vs Huckabee would be a very interesting scenario.
thanks soz and obill for explanations
there is a black guy on the republican ticket. I heard him on some forum and thought he was absolute crap. Who is/was he?
Is Alan trying to run again??!
Yep, Alan Keyes.
He was brought in as a carpetbagger to run against Obama in Illinois when the original Republican candidate (Jack Ryan) imploded. He (Keyes) didn't do so great... (He's rather goofy.)
That reminds me of a minor plug for Obama though, and how he walks the walk as well as talking the talk when it comes to politicking: Keyes is quite conservative and anti gay rights, etc. Shortly after the election, (2004 senate election), Keyes' daughter came out as lesbian. It turned out that the Obama camp knew that ahead of time, during the race (she might have even been the one to tell them, I forget how that part went but they knew) but it was just not anything they were going to use.
sozobe wrote:Yep, Alan Keyes.
He was brought in as a carpetbagger to run against Obama in Illinois when the original Republican candidate (Jack Ryan) imploded. He (Keyes) didn't do so great... (He's rather goofy.)
That reminds me of a minor plug for Obama though, and how he walks the walk as well as talking the talk when it comes to politicking: Keyes is quite conservative and anti gay rights, etc. Shortly after the election, (2004 senate election), Keyes' daughter came out as lesbian. It turned out that the Obama camp knew that ahead of time, during the race (she might have even been the one to tell them, I forget how that part went but they knew) but it was just not anything they were going to use.
The more I learn about Obama, the more I think what a thoroughly decent guy he is. then I think whats a nice bloke like him doing in a ****pit like that...perhaps :wink:
It wasn't exactly a close race, so I don't want to overstate that one. But Keyes was a big fat juicy target with stuff like this:
Quote:Illinois Republican Senate candidate Alan Keyes has labeled homosexuality "selfish hedonism" and said Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter is a sinner.
[...]
After saying homosexuality is "selfish hedonism," Keyes was asked if that made Mary Cheney "a selfish hedonist."
"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5897569/
Anyway, that's tangential.
I'm still not used to NH coming so soon after IA. TOMORROW. Good grief.
sozobe wrote:It wasn't exactly a close race, so I don't want to overstate that one. But Keyes was a big fat juicy target with stuff like this:
Quote:Illinois Republican Senate candidate Alan Keyes has labeled homosexuality "selfish hedonism" and said Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter is a sinner.
[...]
After saying homosexuality is "selfish hedonism," Keyes was asked if that made Mary Cheney "a selfish hedonist."
"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5897569/
Anyway, that's tangential.
I'm still not used to NH coming so soon after IA. TOMORROW. Good grief.
you think super Tuesday might be tomorrow? I stil cant quite get my head round the American people voting for Barack Obama.
I'd venture to say that's part of the support Obama is getting -- imagining the rest of the world saying "America voted for Obama? America is different than we imagined." ;-)
A whole lot of us have felt very, very ill-represented by Bush.
cicerone imposter wrote:Steve 41oo wrote:sozobe wrote:It wasn't exactly a close race, so I don't want to overstate that one. But Keyes was a big fat juicy target with stuff like this:
Quote:Illinois Republican Senate candidate Alan Keyes has labeled homosexuality "selfish hedonism" and said Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter is a sinner.
[...]
After saying homosexuality is "selfish hedonism," Keyes was asked if that made Mary Cheney "a selfish hedonist."
"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5897569/
Anyway, that's tangential.
I'm still not used to NH coming so soon after IA. TOMORROW. Good grief.
you think super Tuesday might be tomorrow? I stil cant quite get my head round the American people voting for Barack Obama.
Why not?
because he's too young too black and too decent. But then perhaps my assessement of the American people is way out of date...I hope so :wink:
Cycloptichorn wrote:BaBam
Quote:Eve of NEW HAMPSHIRE Primary, Obama now 20 points atop Clinton in SOUTH CAROLINA: In a South Carolina Democratic Primary today, 01/07/08, 19 days to the vote, Barack Obama defeats Hillary Clinton 50% to 30%, according to a SurveyUSA tracking poll conducted exclusively for WCSC-TV Charleston and WSPA-TV Greenville. Compared to an identical SurveyUSA tracking poll completed 3 weeks ago, before Christmas and before the Iowa Caucuses, when Clinton and Obama were effectively tied, Obama is up 11 points, Clinton is down 11 points, a 22-point swing. John Edwards is unchanged, 17% on 12/19/07 and 16% today. There is across-the board movement away from Clinton to Obama. Among women: Clinton had led by 17 points, now trails by 14 points. Among blacks, Obama had led by 20 points, now leads by 46. Among white voters, Obama had been 3rd, is now 2nd, tied with Edwards, the two of them 9 and 10 points back of Clinton. Among Moderates, Obama was tied, now leads by 23. Among voters age 65+, Clinton had been at 61% a month ago, 40% today. In the Low Country, Clinton had led by 13, now trails by 16. Upstate, Obama had been tied, now trails by 16. In the Midlands, Obama had led by 5, now leads by 26. South Carolina Democrats name the Economy as the issue the next President should focus on ahead of all others. Among voters focused on the Economy, Obama leads Clinton 2:1. Among voters focused on Health Care, Clinton leads Obama 41% to 37%.
50 to 30
OBAMARAMA
Cycloptichorn
WOWEE.
This still has to translate to votes of course, but looks like that whole "lots of black people would love to vote for Obama if they thought he could win" theory is starting to bear fruit...
sozobe wrote:That reminds me of a minor plug for Obama though, and how he walks the walk as well as talking the talk when it comes to politicking: Keyes is quite conservative and anti gay rights, etc. Shortly after the election, (2004 senate election), Keyes' daughter came out as lesbian. It turned out that the Obama camp knew that ahead of time, during the race (she might have even been the one to tell them, I forget how that part went but they knew) but it was just not anything they were going to use.
I heard the same story. In fact, the media also learned of it during the campaign and kept quiet about it -- a remarkable bit of discretion on their parts. Seems like practically everybody knew Keyes's daughter was a lesbian, except for Alan Keyes.
Hot on that poll's heels, Soz -
Rasmussen. 1/6. Likely Democratic primary voters. MoE 4% (12/16 results)
Obama 42 (33)
Clinton 30 (33)
Edwards 14 (17)
Cycloptichorn
If the change is only in the white house, and the congress makeup remains the same, we're still going to have gridlock, and congress will be working for the big corporations - and not for the American People.
Steve wrote-
Quote:I still can't quite get my head around the American people voting for Barack Obama.
It's all about how really, really, really important what the American people decide to do Steve. That's the main subject. Did you not see the video of them "caucusing". Didn't they look important? I saw one bloke shed a tear.
Stop tittering.
cicerone imposter wrote:If the change is only in the white house, and the congress makeup remains the same, we're still going to have gridlock, and congress will be working for the big corporations - and not for the American People.
Well, that's yet another exciting possibility, though. Obama at the head of the ticket sweeping in a bunch of senators and congresspeople who will help make the changes he talks about happen.
That's getting way ahead of things -- just one caucus down, and lots of room for things to change a great deal. But as possibilities go, it's a nice one.
