cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 10:58 am
Seen at the Chicago theater.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/Chicago5406SD218.jpg
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snood
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:09 am
sozobe wrote:
Obviously it was a joke (and I don't think Thomas takes the O'Brien as running mate part seriously either), but it could well be both a joke and a test balloon.


'fraid that's wishful thinking, Soz. I think he actually wants to serve a a Senator for a while longer than next year (because that's when he'd actually have to start working seriously at a candidacy). I just haven't seen or heard anything that he's said that leads me to believe he would even seriously consider running. The only thing I've seen or heard in that direction is the fervent wishes of his fans.
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sozobe
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:17 am
Snood, I'm not saying it IS a test balloon. I'm saying it could be. As in, it's not necessarily "just a joke."

Personally, I dunno. Seems unlikely, but not impossible. If I were betting, I'd bet he won't run in 2008; however, since I don't see anyone yet who has a better combination of ideas, personal attributes, and political skills, I'll continue to do what I can to encourage Obama to run. And if it doesn't work, I'll do what I can to get whomever IS the Democratic nominee elected.
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snood
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:24 am
...and that seems like a completely reasonable way of looking at things.

I'm just so torn about Obama. I mean, if I thought he had a real chance, and if I thought he'd run, I'd probably work harder than I ever have for any candidate. But I don't, and he isn't.

Hillary makes me ill, and so does Kerry and the pretty boy general and the breck girl.

The only ones I like have been summarily dismissed as serious contenders for one reason or another - Dean and Gore.
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sozobe
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:30 am
Yeah, I know what you mean.

I figure I'll work at say 50% power to try to get him to run; and if he does, at 100% power for him to win nomination, and if he wins that, at 150% (I know, I know) for him to win the presidency. I can't imagine working at more than 25% power for any other candidate, but I won't be able to do nothing.
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nimh
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:36 am
Still, Obama is sure keeping up a marked national profile for someone whose only wish is to remain Senator..

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sozobe
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:38 am
Oooh, some good stuff there!
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snood
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:43 am
Yes, indeedy. Damn! He can put his finger right--------ON things, sometimes.

As far as him keeping a noticeably high profile, it is tantalizing, but to me it can just as easily be explained by the fact that he actually has passion about these things he insists on speaking up about.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 13 May, 2006 11:57 am
Obama is not only articulate, but he hits the nail on the head the majority of times. That's pretty impressive for any politician.
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nimh
 
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Sun 28 May, 2006 10:15 am
Walter posted an article called "Obama in '08?" from the Chicago Tribune in the Democrats gloat thread.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 28 May, 2006 10:30 am
nimh wrote:
Walter posted an article called "Obama in '08?" from the Chicago Tribune in the Democrats gloat thread.


I KNEW there was a special thread about Obama Embarrassed
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sozobe
 
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Thu 8 Jun, 2006 02:29 pm
Another thread reminded me I'd wanted to put this here:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060529fa_fact2

It doesn't come out and say anything direct about Obama, but it keeps setting up what Democrats need, and then showing how Obama provides it.
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sozobe
 
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Thu 8 Jun, 2006 02:34 pm
Example:

Quote:
At a breakfast fund-raiser for McCaskill in Kansas City, Katheryn J. Shields, a Democrat who is the chief executive of Jackson County, which encompasses Kansas City, said of Hillary Clinton, "She's great." But when asked if Clinton should be the Party's nominee, Shields said, "That would be a hard one." The outgoing executive director of the Greene County Democrats, Nora Walcott, was more direct. Though she said she was to the left in the Party, she feared that Clinton's liberal credentials would alienate Missouri voters. "You've got to tell the people in Washington not to nominate Hillary," she told me. "It would do so much damage to the Missouri Democratic Party." Clinton's obvious shifts to the center frustrate Walcott on two counts, she said: "I disagree with the way she's going to the right, but my biggest problem with it is that it's not working. People don't believe she's a moderate."

Uncertainty about Senator Clinton's real views seems to be more troublesome than the views themselves. She has always been less liberal than some believe, and at times her centrism is ostentatious, as when she spoke in favor of a law banning flag-burning. Clinton has reached out to anti-abortion voters, she refuses to call for a troop withdrawal from Iraq, and she has become a new friend of Rupert Murdoch, the proprietor of the onetime Clinton-bashing New York Post and Fox News, who is hosting a fund-raiser for her this summer. All of this recently led the Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen to write, "Does she know what she believes? Do we know what she believes? Hillary, help us. Who the hell are you?"

Clinton, who is expected to easily win a second Senate term in New York, refused to be interviewed for this article; she has apparently decided not to discuss Democratic political strategies for now. But her chief strategist, Mark Penn, said that Democrats in conservative states would benefit from a Clinton candidacy. "She has a wildly enthusiastic base, much larger than anything we have seen in a long time. People say about her what they say about President Clinton: wherever he went, votes followed." Penn also said that Clinton could win over skeptical voters in red states. She has done so in upstate New York, where she continues to be popular.


Only a few nationally known Democrats have been invited to Missouri to speak on Claire McCaskill's behalf; one was Obama, whom she described as "so popular that we have to get him back." Obama returns the compliment: McCaskill, he told me, "is a terrific candidate who is deeply rooted in Missouri and understands the people of Missouri." He added, "A successful swing-state candidate can and should stand for progressive values, but they've got to appeal to common sense and pragmatism as opposed to ideology. I think what doesn't work in these places is a sense that you are ideologically liberal."


I made the "O" big to follow the formatting in the article and indicate the full stop, "not that this is related or anything (ahem)" nature of it as it originally appeared.
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snood
 
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Sun 18 Jun, 2006 03:02 pm
Well, sozobe, it looks like we aren't the only ones thinking about it - htis article says, among other things, that Obama isn't ruling it out.

Know what I'd like right now? Gore/Obama 08.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13389274/
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sozobe
 
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Sun 18 Jun, 2006 03:27 pm
Thanks, snood! That was a good one.

Quote:
Obama, however, is not exactly standing still. He recently hired two nationally experienced political consultants, Anita Dunn in Washington and David Axelrod in Chicago. The senator suggested that a presidential bid is a matter of when, not if.

"We've visited 25 states since taking office," he said. "And in each of those states, we might have 2,000 people show up at a rally. And we'd get back to D.C. and we'd realize we didn't have e-mail addresses for any of those people. That might be a useful thing to have when, you know, I'm running for something and might be looking to raise some money."


Oboyoboyoboyoboy....


As recently as a couple of months ago I would be horrified at the idea of Gore/ Obama (the Gore part), but he's carving out an interesting new niche with his movie. I'm still not for it (from a pragmatic perspective, not personal preference) (wow, lotsa "p"s), but I'm less horrified.

I'm still more interested in Obama at the head of the ticket with the seasoned veteran (who? I dunno) in the VP slot.
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Amigo
 
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Sun 18 Jun, 2006 03:39 pm
Gore/ Obama. Sounds good. My grandma thinks so to. Now if we can just get A little spine in the people.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 18 Jun, 2006 03:51 pm
Amigo, you mean the ones who would seriously consider voting for Obama but would rather be run over by a monster truck several dozen times before putting Gore back in the White House?

Obama/ Clark, maybe. Hmm, still dunno. Have to work on the Obama part first. I really liked this part from snood's article, I so hope this is how it happens:

Quote:
"I think he is unique," said Illinois's senior senator, Richard J. Durbin (D). "I don't believe there is another candidate I've seen, or an elected official, who really has the appeal that he does." As for the 2008 presidential race, "I said to him, 'Why don't you just kind of move around Iowa and watch what happens?' I know what's going to happen. And I think it's going to rewrite the game plans in a lot of presidential candidates if he makes that decision."
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nimh
 
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Sun 18 Jun, 2006 04:06 pm
Obama/Clark doesnt sound like a good idea. Obama's one flaw is that he might well be seen as too experienced - to add a Veep candidate who was himself derided as a dilettant last time round doesnt seem to help.

Obama/Gore, perhaps. Gore/Obama, might as well not bother.
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sozobe
 
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Sun 18 Jun, 2006 04:13 pm
Yeah, I was thinking military oomph plus who tends to like Obama now (OK, I was thinking of O'Bill), but you're totally right about lack of experience, that's a deal-breaker.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Sun 18 Jun, 2006 04:23 pm
NOT necessarily a deal breaker....Wash Post this am.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/17/AR2006061700736.htmll
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