Obama '08?

sozobe wrote:

Yeah, I think that if Obama chooses Hillary and she declines, Blatham would still win. The point is what the respective candidates and their advisors would decide about who would be the best running mate.

Actually, the way I'd been considering the particulars of our big money wager, the above outcome would be a loss for me.

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Thomas wrote:

From elsewhere in today's Economist, here's a graph I thought Sozobe might like.

[img]http://www.economist.com/images/20070811/CFB763.gif[/img]

Source (This article is recommended reading, but may require a subscription)

Thanks, thomas.

Lots of interesting bits in that piece. Here's one that surprised even me...

Quote:

An astonishing 45% of Americans, including 13% of Republicans, support impeaching Mr Bush, according to the American Research Group.

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blatham, There seems to be a whole lot of mixed messages from the republican side; when polls are taken to support Bush, they're usually the majority - like over 60 percent. Doesn't seem like those 13 percent means much for the right side - although there's no contradiction in the math.

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Miller wrote:

The United States of America is a gift from God....

I hope He saved the receipt.

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joefromchicago wrote:

Miller wrote:
The United States of America is a gift from God....

I hope He saved the receipt.

Great potential dialogue here between God and a returns-counter cleark, but I'm too lazy to write it this morning.

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If Bush is an example of that "gift" from god, I prefer not to have the "gift."

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Here's Obama dealing with the "Black Enough?" talk....
One significant thing is that he's speaking to a standing-room only crowd of black journalists. Another is that he put his finger on something that's very true in a lot of cases - the general distrust black folks have of a black candidate who appeals to white people...

Interesting stuff. Have I mentioned I like this guy? Laughing

"What it really does is really lay bare, I think, that we're still locked in this notion that if you appeal to white folks then there must be something wrong," he said, adding it's the same sort of suspicion many blacks face when they attend a predominately white Ivy League institution.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/11/obama-enough-with-the-%e2%80%98black-enough%e2%80%99-talk/

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Hey, that's good to see. Thanks for posting it, snood.

(I love to see him do the candid stuff. I think his campaign staff is a bit scared of it, and maybe they should be, but I'd love to see more of it.)

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Now, there's some damn fine propositions.

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Will Obama become a Republican and run against Clinton? Laughing

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blatham wrote:

Great potential dialogue here between God and a returns-counter cleark, but I'm too lazy to write it this morning.

What makes you think he'd get through to god? As you've seen on Mr. Deity, His voicemail is already swamped with prayers, most of them spam such as "Lawd, we thank you for our fewd". No way he could handle complaints like Joe's.

Joe would be lucky if his complaint got re-routed to God's call center in India.

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Now, that was funny! LOL

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

Every time I see Hillary and Obama on the stage taking questions, I feel that Hillary gains ground and Obama losses a little bit more of that magic that captured everyone at the Democrat Convention before last election. He may be a good orator with pre-planned speeches, but he isn't nearly as sharp with off the cuff questions.

I agree, jp, and I'm wondering if the downward trends are a reflection of some Indy-types like you and me becoming less enamored. I've heard about his war stance and her votes all I care to. He needs a new song.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Obama says Bush not solely to blame By AMY LORENTZEN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 47 minutes ago

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said average Americans must be brought back to the table when dealing with every issue, from health care to education to trade.
"We've got to make sure workers are represented, not just CEOs. We've got to make sure patients are represented and the nurses are represented, not just drug companies," he said.

To make the government more accountable, Obama said he would post all non-emergency bills online for five days before he signed them into law, allowing Americans a chance to weigh in on the legislation. In addition, he said he would post all meetings between lobbyists and government agencies online.
Obama said he would require Cabinet officials to speak to Americans via national broadband town-hall style meetings to discuss issues at their agencies. He also pledged to issue an executive order that information about the government's operations must be released to those seeking it unless it could harm a protected interest.

. He said that during his time as a state lawmaker he helped to create hospital report cards so that patients could understand the quality of care offered at each hospital.

My ongoing problem with the Obama campaign strategy, and the highlighted policy proposals above, is that focusing everything onto the Internet does not reach the "average citizen." There are a lot of people who can't afford to purchase/choose not to use computers, or can't purchase broadband at $50 a month, or who are sight impaired, hearing impaired, or just unable to understand how to use them. The Obama campaign strategy and policy proposals will not reach those Obama has targeted if they are soley based upon uploading video feeds to the internet. They have to also ensure transcripts are available on the internet, and videos are published offline for those without access to local libraries with computers and internet access or don't have high-speed access.

It's a keen strategy to make use of the internet to allow some grassroot sunshine into government and campaign processes, but he needs to take it further than he's proposing to accomplish his goal. To do otherwise, just makes new layers of access boundaries in society, and does not remove them.

I'd like to see him get behind the free wireless broadband Internet service project for everywhere in the U.S. currently being rejected by the FCC for very stupid reasons. More on that here.

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For anyone who does not have cable or satelite TV access and hasn't seen a Democratic debate yet this year, on Sunday there is a live (taped) 90-minute debate with the Democratic presidential contenders on a special edition of "This Week With George Stephanopoulos."

The candidates: Senator Joe Biden, D-Del., Senator Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Senator Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., Former Senator John Edwards, D-N.C., Former Senator Mike Gravel, D-Alaska, Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, Senator Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Governor Bill Richardson, D-N.M.

Appears to be airing at all different times in most areas, between 8AM and noon so check your listings.. Hopefully George will do a much better job of moderating and asking quality questions than he has for debates in the past.

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Obama - a striking name. We talked about it before, and considered it a non-issue. But: How will Obama play with the Idget voter? :wink:

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Who won the debate? Nobody.

Who lost the debate? It is a tie between the moderator's questioning and voters looking for substantive information on all the candidates.

Here's a link to the transcript of the "debate" for those who were fortunate to have missed it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3498294&page=1

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Butrflynet wrote:

Here's a link to the transcript of the "debate" for those who were fortunate to have missed it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3498294&page=1

Thanks for the warning, Butrflynet. I might have clicked on the link without it.

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