nimh
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 10:38 am
cjhsa wrote:
the baby boomers .. are the greatest threat to the USA that has ever existed.

Wow - like, worse than the terrorists? Al Qaeda? Worse than the commies ever were? Worse than Hirohito and Hitler? Worse than the civil war?
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Miller
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 10:42 am
cjhsa wrote:
The mainstream is infected with dope smoking, socialist chimps.


You're all wrong!

Mainstream America consists of the farmer who gets up at 4 am to feed the chicks, milk the cows, and try to get his farm up and running so he can pay off the mortage, feed his family and try to put his kids through college.

Mainstream America consists of those lucky Chicago devils who get up at 5 am, march out the door at 6 am, stand for 30 min on a crowded CTA bus, fall off the bus and onto the stinking El for the ride to loop, again standing and sweating with the rest of mankind.

They then run off to work and after 8-12 hour follow the same path home, only this time they do it in reverse. They pay their taxes, they pay their mortages, they get married and stay married to the same person for at least 20-30 years, they don't cheat on their spounses, they try to teach their kids how to live the moral life and basically they try and try and try to stay afloat in this cruel adn bitter world.

That's a taste of real mainstream America. They're not the folks that screw little old men and women out of their pensions so they can build 10-50 million dollar apartments or condos in NYCity, put their kids through ritzy colleges, ...etc.

Mainstream America are those folks who watch their 18 year sons and daughters join the Marines so that we, the "observers
of war" can be safe and these are the very folks who have to then bury their young soldiers, still not old enough to graduate from college or for that matter to legally drink booze.

I'm proud to be a mainstream American.
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eoe
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 10:42 am
Miller wrote:
Did you see the "choir" in attendance at the church meeting with Obama? These folks don't need a lesson in living the "good life", they've done their fair share of "good living".

How's Obama going to reach those individuals not living the moral, ethical and all-around "good life"? How's Obama going to reach the 10 year old gang members, who think it's cool to kill someone?

How's Obama going to reach the 16 year high school drop-out, now pregnant with her 4th child, still unmarried, and still living in poverty.

How will these folks ( the forgotten!) be allowed to join the Obama choir?



Yes, I read the article. The words he spoke yesterday reached far beyond those people in attendance. Here WE are talking about it.

And I dare say that many in attendance yesterday are sadly raising children just like the ones you've described. It seemed to me that he wasn't talking to the kids. He was talking to the parents so, his words were truly on pointe.

This is an intelligent man we're talking about. Not some nitwit just bumping his gums.
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eoe
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 10:44 am
Miller wrote:
I'm proud to be a mainstream American.


Right on!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 10:45 am
Now, this thread rakes a quite peculiar funny turn.

However, it's A2K and very instructive. (I knew already about cjhsa and his character, but Miller a farmer with an 18-year-old son with the Marines ...)
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eoe
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:14 am
As a matter of fact, the more I think about it, the more on pointe Obama was yesterday with that audience. There are alot of women these days that have gotten so far off track by having babies with the attitude that they don't need a man to help raise those kids.

Any question why so many young men today are completely rudderless and don't have a clue about what being a man is? Because they were raised by women and only women. At least back in the day when women had children out of wedlock, alot of the time there were still men around. Uncles and cousins, granddaddies, neighbors male, teachers at school, the village, ready and able to pitch in and help raise a boy up to be a man but those days are long, long gone.

So, if Mr. Obama's audience yesterday consisted of mostly women, the message was quite invaluable if it made at least one of those women stop and think about having a kid on her own just because she wants one and can afford to do it by herself. (It's not always the 16 year old high-school dropout.)

I think Obama & Co. knew exactly who they were talking to yesterday.
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sozobe
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:18 am
Good point, eoe.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:20 am
Obama on Poverty

Obama's Speech at National Education Association Annual Meeting
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HokieBird
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:28 am
Quote:
Obama bore witness to the simple truth. If black people don't begin to show each other love, if black men don't step up to make a difference in their own sons' lives and in the lives of boys who are fatherless, then it won't really matter who wins the White House in 2008.


His message is clearly promoting Black family values, so if he's 'preaching to the choir', what of it? To whom should he be directing his comments?
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Butrflynet
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:31 am
Same event, totally different reporting...

Cjhsa, what part of "If you want to hunt, go hunt. No one is trying to take your shotgun away" means he's trying to take away your guns?



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-obamagunsjul16,1,2507768.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

Quote:

Obama attacks violence in Chicago



By John McCormick
Tribune staff reporter

July 15, 2007, 2:27 PM CDT

Speaking to a Sunday congregation in Chicago, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama used often-fiery rhetoric to mourn the city's recent spate of gun violence and challenged the government, the gun lobby and the public to do more to stop it.

"Our playgrounds have become battlegrounds. Our streets have become cemeteries. Our schools have become places to mourn the ones we've lost," Obama told a standing-room-only congregation at Vernon Park Church of God on Chicago's Far South Side.

The Illinois Democrat recounted how 32 Chicago public schoolchildren were killed during the last school year, and noted that two more teens were shot in the past week in a South Side schoolyard.

"The violence is unacceptable, and it's got to stop," he said.

Obama called for better enforcement of existing gun laws, tighter background checks on gun buyers and for making an expired assault weapon ban permanent.

"A couple weeks ago, cops found an AK-47 near a West Side school," he said. "That type of weapon belongs on a battlefield, not on the streets of Chicago."

But Obama said the "power of the gun lobby in Washington" has blocked tougher gun laws and enforcement.

"If you want to go hunt, go hunt. Nobody is trying to take your shotgun or rifle away," he said. "But when you've got the gun lobbying saying that we can't use ballistics to trace back where guns came from ... then it is time for us to stand up to the gun lobby and say enough. It is time for a change in Washington."

Later in a brief meeting with reporters, Obama said he suspects the majority of National Rifle Association members are not opposed to some tighter restrictions.

"I believe that the majority of NRA members would not object to doing a background check from a bullet that has been used to kill a child on the South Side of Chicago, or the West Side, and find out who sold that gun," he said. "That's a law that's already in the books. The problem is that we're not enforcing it."

Obama also told reporters that he has never hunted, although he has fired a gun on a firing range.

"That wasn't part of my growing up, but I am sympathetic, as I say, to the fact that if you go down to Downstate Illinois, that's an important part of the culture there and people use guns responsibly in those situations."


Throughout his 25-minute message to church members, Obama mixed policy proposals with his personal experiences as a black man growing up and as a father of two young daughters.

"I cannot imagine not having them with me," he said. "I know that these children who have been killed are in a better place, but I cannot imagine what the parents must be going through."

At one point, Obama asked Joyce Mitchell, the grandmother of one of the victims, to stand up and be recognized by the congregation.

As he has in other speeches, Obama called on parents, especially black fathers, to play a greater role in raising their children.

"There's a reason they go out and shoot each other," he said. "It's because they don't love themselves. And the reason they don't love themselves is that we are not loving them enough."

Besides the relatives of the victims, Obama said Chicago schools are being forced to confront the deaths in often-stark ways.

"In Room 104 at Avalon Park Elementary School, an empty chair is pushed against the wall in memory of Quinton Jackson, the 8th grader who used to sit there, and who was stabbed to death a few months ago," he said.

In another classroom, he said, the experience was equally troubling.

"In one Chicago public school, a teacher was calling attendance and when she got to the name of a particular student who wasn't there and had missed a lot of classes, she asked if anyone knew where he was," Obama said. "And the answer she got was, 'He's dead.'"

Obama, who was often interrupted by audience members saying "amen" and one man who said "Speak to me, Mr. President," said Chicago is not alone in feeling the pain of gun violence.

"From South Central L.A., to Newark, New Jersey, there's an epidemic of violence that's sickening the soul of this nation," he said.

Also in attendance at the service was Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., a Chicago colleague whom Obama said often writes some of his best lines. "My best lines on TV, Jesse wrote them," he said.

This afternoon, Obama also appeared with other Democratic presidential candidates at the American Association for Justice annual convention in Chicago.

The church appearance was not far from the neighborhood where Obama once worked as a community organizer. His Senate office, not his presidential campaign, organized the event.

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xingu
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:33 am
He doesn't want weapons just to hunt. He wants assault weapons so he can slaughter government leaders if they take his rights away. According to him that's his constitutional right.
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:35 am
nimh wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
the baby boomers .. are the greatest threat to the USA that has ever existed.

Wow - like, worse than the terrorists? Al Qaeda? Worse than the commies ever were? Worse than Hirohito and Hitler? Worse than the civil war?


Yes, because they are on the inside. Two things about them - first, they redirected their anti-war efforts of the 60's/70's to pure greed, but they never lost their apathy about going to war and getting it done. Why do you think someone like Cindy Shitcan can command their attention?
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:39 am
xingu wrote:
He doesn't want weapons just to hunt. He wants assault weapons so he can slaughter government leaders if they take his rights away. According to him that's his constitutional right.


And I'd be right. The founding fathers clearly intended 2A and the right to bear arms as a method to prevent tyranny of government. But your terminology is incorrect.
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Miller
 
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Mon 16 Jul, 2007 11:59 am
Quote:
"There's a reason they go out and shoot each other," he said. "It's because they don't love themselves


I don't really know whether these kids love themselves or not. I do believe that young boys, join gangs and engage in serious acts of violence, because they want to "belong" ( in this case it would be a gang) and they want and need a sense of identity.

Young boys growing up on the SouthSide of Chicago ( and elsewhere ) under conditions of severe poverty have often been able to find themselves by engaging in sports such as football, basketball and baseball. Other kids, if they were lucky enough to gain entrance to a Charter school were able to find themselves active in scholarly activities.

If these kids lack a male authority figure in their lives, other males ( non-gang members ) have to step up and assume some sort of leadership role.

Men who could serve as role models:

Soldiers in the US military
Police officers
Coaches
Ministers
Priests
Teachers
Dancers
Musicians
Etc.

Kids can't raise themselves. They need moral models who make sense to these kids in contemporary society and they don't need models who wear their pants down to their ankles , who think that's cool and sexy.

In the past, children who've grown up in single parent homes frequently were kept on the straight and narrow path ( in the old days!) by a good mother, who was strict but set a good example and for kids who grew up Catholic in Chicago, the strictest role model for many kids had to be the Catholic nuns with their penetrating stares, the long rosary beads and their mighty yard sticks.

Chicago has always had several all boys Catholic high schools and I can say, when boys went to these schools they knew better than to mess around with the either monks, brothers, or priests.
The kid who smarted off could find himself on his knees in the front hallway of the high school, with his arms extended ( like a cross ) for everyone to see for very long periods of time.

Kids punished like this, never, ever smarted off in school again.
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eoe
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 12:21 pm
Well, now you've done it... Rolling Eyes
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 12:48 pm
http://www.tednugent.com/HUNTING/forums/thread/184535.aspx
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Wed 18 Jul, 2007 01:09 pm
In a speech today, Barack vowed to tackle the epidemic of urban poverty by investing in education, expanding job and business opportunities, and creating more safe and affordable housing, at the Town Hall Education Arts and Recreation Center (THEARC) in Washington, DC.

An excerpt:

Quote:
Poverty is not just a function of simple economics. It's also a matter of where you live. There are vast swaths of rural America and block after block in our cities where poverty is not just a crisis that hits pocketbooks, but a disease that infects every corner of the community. I will be outlining my rural agenda in the coming weeks, but today I want to talk about what we can do as a nation to combat the poverty that persists in our cities.

This kind of poverty is not an issue I just discovered for the purposes of a campaign; it is the cause that led me to a life of public service almost twenty-five years ago.

I was just two years out of college when I first moved to the South Side of Chicago to become a community organizer. I was hired by a group of churches that were trying to deal with steel plant closures that had devastated the surrounding neighborhoods. Everywhere you looked, businesses were boarded up and schools were crumbling and teenagers were standing aimlessly on street corners, without jobs and without hope.

What's most overwhelming about urban poverty is that it's so difficult to escape - it's isolating and it's everywhere. If you are an African-American child unlucky enough to be born into one of these neighborhoods, you are most likely to start life hungry or malnourished. You are less likely to start with a father in your household, and if he is there, there's a fifty-fifty chance that he never finished high school and the same chance he doesn't have a job. Your school isn't likely to have the right books or the best teachers. You're more likely to encounter gang-activities than after-school activities. And if you can't find a job because the most successful businessman in your neighborhood is a drug dealer, you're more likely to join that gang yourself. Opportunity is scarce, role models are few, and there is little contact with the normalcy of life outside those streets.

What you learn when you spend your time in these neighborhoods trying to solve these problems is that there are no easy solutions and no perfect arguments. And you come to understand that for the last four decades, both ends of the political spectrum have been talking past one another.



Full text of the speech here:
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/07/18/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_19.php
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Miller
 
  1  
Wed 18 Jul, 2007 06:24 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
In a speech today, Barack vowed to tackle the epidemic of urban poverty by investing in education, expanding job and business opportunities, and creating more safe ...



Oh yes, he will , the good Senator from Illinois. Mile after mile of slums on the SouthSide of Chicago. House after house with windows knocked out, and shuttered up. School after school, closed and shutter. Mile after mile of dusty vacant lots where
beautiful lawns once grew.

Major landmarks boarded up, sitting in a valley of filth and poverty where once upper and solid middle class homes once stood, now persistent slaves to welfare, drugs and crime.

If Obamba has great ideas concerning urban poverty, please let him go back to the SouthSide and start his rejuvenation there.

In 50 -60 years total time, mile after mile of
Chicago has been ruined, beautiful homes and solid schools and neighborhoods have been converted to ashes due to the perpetual migration of a welfare-infested population ....and it will never end.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 24 Jul, 2007 11:31 am
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Tue 24 Jul, 2007 11:35 am
Yesterday Citgo had a full page ad in USA Today supposedly from the CEO of the company telling everyone how the locally owned stations are a boon to the US economy. Bullshit. It was a clever and well timed guise to ring a little sympathy from our pacifist left wing politicians.
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