sozobe
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jul, 2007 05:20 pm
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.

I'm still hoping Obama will demonstrate more of the attributes you list for the other two, because I think he can.

But yeah.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 13 Jul, 2007 05:34 pm
Using an alternate-cat-skinning technique (google is my friend)

Nov 06 Hillary meter 1000 adults

Ideology 800 adults

(the second one covers the reversal Nimh referred to)

Quote:
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sozobe
 
  1  
Sat 14 Jul, 2007 01:30 pm
This looks good!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/467077,CST-NWS-mitch13.article

Excerpt:

Quote:
Obama finds his stride at NAACP debate
He takes aim at race-poverty link and outshines Clinton, others

July 13, 2007
BY MARY MITCHELL Sun-Times Columnist
DETROIT -- Sen. Barack Obama is indeed a quick study. After looking surprisingly unpolished in a nationally televised forum targeting black audiences nearly two weeks ago, Obama held his own against his closest rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, at the 98th NAACP National Convention at Cobo Hall in Detroit on Thursday morning.

Obama, who is pitting change against experience in the 2008 Democratic primary, got off more than a few crisp one-liners while crafting a message that at times elicited thunderous applause that drowned out some of his words, but obviously bolstered his confidence in the debate arena.

"If you are poor in this country, it is hazardous to your health. If you are black and poor, that's downright deadly," Obama said in response to a question about health care posed by a delegate and given to the candidates in advance of the forum.

"We will not close the gap until we create a system of universal health care. The way to do that is to ignore the insurance companies and drug companies. In negotiations, it's OK for them to have a seat at the table, but they can't buy every single chair."

It was the kind of retort that Obama, who tends to be long-winded when addressing policy questions even when the cameras are rolling, has had a difficult time firing off in past debates. On Thursday, Obama seemed to have found his stride.


Thanks to snood for bringing the debate to my attention, I hadn't known about it.
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Thomas
 
  1  
Sat 14 Jul, 2007 01:53 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
As one of the people who donated $5 for that dinner with Obama thing, they are holding a conference call Saturday morning with all the people who weren't one of the five chosen for the dinner. We all got to submit a question for Obama to answer. Mine was:


What, if anything, sir, will you be doing to halt the continuing need for you to apologize for the actions of some of your campaign staff? [...]

Butrflynet -- I know it's late for a follow-up on this, but I'm curious: Did they address your question in the conference call at all?
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snood
 
  1  
Sat 14 Jul, 2007 01:57 pm
Yeah Soz - they had one for the Dems and one for the GOP. The only difference was, the Dems actually showed up...
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Miller
 
  1  
Sat 14 Jul, 2007 03:33 pm
Quote:
Obama finds his stride at NAACP debate


Unfortunately, the man is preaching to the choir...
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snood
 
  1  
Sat 14 Jul, 2007 03:37 pm
How's that? Because it was a debate of all Dems, or because it was hosted by the NAACP?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 15 Jul, 2007 06:42 pm
Obama to report $34 million in the bank By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer
14 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Democrat Barack Obama ended the first half of the year with a formidable $34 million cash on hand for the presidential primary contest, while boosting his overall financial picture from April through June with a vigorous fundraising drive, the campaign said Sunday.


Obama, the freshman senator from Illinois, has mounted an aggressive fundraising campaign that has netted him more than 250,000 donors and more than $31 million in primary contributions from April through June.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Sun 15 Jul, 2007 11:40 pm
Thomas wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
As one of the people who donated $5 for that dinner with Obama thing, they are holding a conference call Saturday morning with all the people who weren't one of the five chosen for the dinner. We all got to submit a question for Obama to answer. Mine was:


What, if anything, sir, will you be doing to halt the continuing need for you to apologize for the actions of some of your campaign staff? [...]

Butrflynet -- I know it's late for a follow-up on this, but I'm curious: Did they address your question in the conference call at all?



I missed the conference call, got the time zone difference wrong by an hour. But, I heard the topic was not addressed.
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Miller
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:32 am
Obama call for end to violence lacks audience


July 16, 2007

MARY MITCHELL [email protected]

The thing that struck me most about Sen. Barack Obama's call to end the violence gripping too many African-American communities was that there were too few grown black men sitting in the pews Sunday at Avalon Park's Vernon Park Church of God on the Far South Side.

There were fewer young black men. Obama was basically preaching to the choir.

That's unfortunate. His decision to take on this issue was monumental and opened him up to criticism from people who think any mention of race in a presidential campaign is race-mongering.

For instance, Obama's passionate message during the presidential forum at the NAACP, which followed a tepid appearance during a televised forum at Howard University, drew this recent e-mail from an outraged reader:

"Obama descends to the level of cheap racial demagoguery and victim/grievance mongering and you think it's progress. How sad," wrote John Treacy.

"Who killed those 34 kids in Chicago? Was it politicians? Or was it feral young people without direction, discipline, or a sense of right and wrong. Young people led to believe by 'leaders' that have no hope, in a society that people the world over -- including black Africans -- move heaven and earth to migrate to precisely because there is in fact limitless hope and opportunity."

Thankfully, Obama is more hopeful about race relations in this country than most of us.

The absence of black men didn't stop Obama from delivering a powerful message Sunday about the deadly violence and from offering solutions that push ending urban violence to the top of the domestic agenda, along with ending the war in Iraq.

The son of a white Kansan mother and a Kenyan father who returned to Kenya while Obama was still very young, Obama had a childhood a lot like the childhoods of many black boys growing up in America today.

Obama lambasted the Bush administration for spending $275 million a month to "police Iraq" in an effort to keep Iraqis from killing each other, and doling out tax cuts for the wealthy, instead of "siphoning" some of the money to police street wars like Chicago's.

'Have to break the cycle'
But while Obama pledged to support aggressive laws designed to close loopholes in gun laws and said he will fight to fund programs that would give young people alternatives to gangs and gang violence, these initiatives are only a part of the solution.

"Once the programs are in place and you've got more cops on the street, what do you do when the cycle of violence continues?" he asked the audience. "Who do you blame? An entire generation of young men have become products of violence, and we are going to have to break the cycle. That is going to require your help," he said.

"It doesn't matter how much more money comes in here, it doesn't matter how many politicians make speeches, it doesn't matter how much we pray -- it doesn't make any difference if we don't change how we raise our children. ... We're either raising those boys, or we're not raising those boys. But either way, we're responsible for each and every one of them."

Obama, the Harvard-educated lawyer and charismatic politician, drew from his own background to hammer home what most of us already know but have been too afraid to say because it sounds too much like what my e-mailer, Treacy, has to say when he condemns blacks as suffering "self-inflicted wounds of social dysfunction."

Obama pointed out that single mothers have been "heroic," but said they need help. His own mother needed help, and he was blessed to be raised in a household that included his grandparents.

"Men, we have to think about what we are doing," Obama said.

A simple truth
Deviating from his prepared remarks, Obama said, "I have a testimony about a father not being in the house. It's hard when your dad is not there. It's hard when you grow up as a young African-American male, and you don't have a role model and there's nobody there to say respect women and that violence isn't the answer. When there is not a man in the house to say there is nothing unmanly about being kind, generous and working hard, and being disciplined, and reading."

Unlike many who have tackled this issue, Obama didn't ignore the government's failure to make ending the cycle of violence a priority, nor did he give cover to the fathers who are ignoring their sons -- thus depriving them of the love they need to help navigate dangerous streets.

Obama bore witness to the simple truth. If black people don't begin to show each other love, if black men don't step up to make a difference in their own sons' lives and in the lives of boys who are fatherless, then it won't really matter who wins the White House in 2008.

Chicago SunTimes
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Miller
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:34 am
Quote:
Obama was basically preaching to the choir


Maybe it's time for Obama to change his tune! Shocked
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:42 am
thanks for the reminder, I just sent another donation to the Kucinich campaign.
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Miller
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:44 am
Goodie! :wink:
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dyslexia
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:08 am
I suppose it's about time to donate again to Ron Paul.
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eoe
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:42 am
Miller wrote:
Quote:
Obama was basically preaching to the choir


Maybe it's time for Obama to change his tune! Shocked


No. I like that tune. He needs to sing it loud and long. And start his own choir. Cosby can head it up.
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cjhsa
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:53 am
Problem: Too many inner city (read black) youths have no father figures, live in a cycle of poverty, and shoot each other.

Obama solution: Reinstated the AWB and put gun dealers out of business.


What a retard.
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nimh
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:56 am
cjhsa wrote:
Problem: Too many inner city (read black) youths have no father figures, live in a cycle of poverty, and shoot each other.

Obama solution: Reinstated the AWB and put gun dealers out of business.

What a retard.


From the article that was posted here just on the last page:

"But while Obama pledged to support aggressive laws designed to close loopholes in gun laws and said he will fight to fund programs that would give young people alternatives to gangs and gang violence, these initiatives are only a part of the solution.

"Once the programs are in place and you've got more cops on the street, what do you do when the cycle of violence continues?" he asked the audience. "Who do you blame? An entire generation of young men have become products of violence, and we are going to have to break the cycle. That is going to require your help," he said.

"It doesn't matter how much more money comes in here, it doesn't matter how many politicians make speeches, it doesn't matter how much we pray -- it doesn't make any difference if we don't change how we raise our children. ... We're either raising those boys, or we're not raising those boys. But either way, we're responsible for each and every one of them."
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eoe
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 08:37 am
cjhsa wrote:
Problem: Too many inner city (read black) youths have no father figures, live in a cycle of poverty, and shoot each other.

Obama solution: Reinstated the AWB and put gun dealers out of business.


What a retard.


You'd like to believe this, wouldn't you? What a sad, sad person you are.
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xingu
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 08:51 am
cjhsa is a one-dimensional person; guns, guns, guns.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 16 Jul, 2007 08:55 am
This one is "dedicated" to cjh.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/th_fatman.jpg
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