Obama '08?

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Can't be repeated often enough! It's amazing to me that people on both sides of the political spectrum can't see that the GOP is out to make Obama a one term president, and their "No Party" has handicapped this president from doing better. Why can't people see these simple truths?

Willard talks about how poor a job Obama is doing to create jobs, but I've not heard one suggestion from Willard about how he plans to create jobs for the middle class. People don't understand that Obama has created jobs after being left by a Great Recession that has impacted the economy of the world. Even with that handicap, Obama continues to do whatever he can to improve our economy, and the stock market is the best indicator that he's doing a yeoman's job at it - handicap and all!

All of the above.

I know you're ignorant, but repeating falsehoods only makes you look that much more idiotic.


THE GREAT DEPRESSION:
1932 This and the next year are the worst years of the Great Depression. For 1932, GNP falls a record 13.4 percent; unemployment rises to 23.6 percent.

1938 The Supreme Court declares the National Labor Relations Board to be unconstitutional.

1939 The United States will begin emerging from the Depression as it borrows and spends $1 billion to build its armed forces. From 1939 to 1941, when the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, U.S. manufacturing will have shot up a phenomenal 50 percent!
The Depression is ending worldwide as nations prepare for the coming hostilities.
Roosevelt began relatively modest deficit spending that arrested the slide of the economy and resulted in some astonishing growth numbers. (Roosevelt's average growth of 5.2 percent during the Great Depression is even higher than Reagan's 3.7 percent growth during his so-called 'Seven Fat Years!') When 1936 saw a phenomenal record of 14 percent growth, Roosevelt eased back on the deficit spending, worried about balancing the budget. But this only caused the economy to slip back into a recession in 1938.
World War II starts with Hitler's invasion of Poland.
1945 Although the war is the largest tragedy in human history, the United States emerges as the world's only economic superpower. Deficit spending has resulted in a national debt 123 percent the size of the GDP. By contrast, in 1994, the $4.7 trillion national debt will be only 70 percent of the GDP!
The top tax rate is 91 percent. It will stay at least 88 percent until 1963, when it is lowered to 70 percent. During this time, America will experience the greatest economic boom it had ever known until that time.

THE GREAT RECESSION:
From Wiki:
The late-2000s financial crisis, also known as the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) or the "Great Recession," is considered by many economists to be the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.[1] It resulted in the collapse of large financial institutions, the bailout of banks by national governments and downturns in stock markets around the world. In many areas, the housing market also suffered, resulting in numerous evictions, foreclosures and prolonged unemployment. It contributed to the failure of key businesses, declines in consumer wealth estimated in the trillions of U.S. dollars, and a significant decline in economic activity, leading to a severe global economic recession in 2008.[2]
The financial crisis was triggered by a complex interplay of valuation and liquidity problems in the United States banking system in 2008.[3][4]

My note: FYI: GW Bush was president when this occurred. Subprime lending happened during GW Bush's tenure as president.

U.S. subprime lending expanded dramatically 2004-2006

Great Recession (December 2008 to December 2009)
(Wikilinks marked thus * are to statistical tabulations))
Recessions develop in early 2009 in most advanced economies, with negative growth rates* of 3 to 5 per cent among the G7 countries (and of over 14 per cent in thethe Baltic countries) and unemployment rates* of 10 per cent in the United States and France.
There are falls in world trade* of over 12 percent.
Recession-induced budget deficits raise public debt* to an average of 100 per cent of GDP in the G20 countries..
Recovery (from January 2010 to August 2011)
April 2010 Greece's credit rating is downgraded to BB+ by S&P[13]
Spain's credit rating is downgraded from AA+ to AA by S&P[14]
Portugal's credit rating is downgraded from A+ to A- by S&P[15].
May 2010 The eurozone governments and the IMF make available €110 billion to Greece[16]
The eurozone launches the €600bn European Financial Stability Facility[17]
The European Central Bank launches its Securities Markets Programme [18]
November 2010 Agreement is reached on an EU/IMF Ireland rescue package[19].
December 2010 The European Central Bank buys Portuguese and Irish bonds[20] [21]
January 2011 The first bond issue by the European Financial Stability Facility[22]
March 2011 A Japanese earthquake and tsunami kills over 9000 people and causes damage estimated to be over $300bn[23].
April 2011 The European Central Bank raises its discount rate from 1.0 per cent to 1.25 per cent
15th[24]
July 2011 The European Central Bank raises its discount rate from 1.25 per cent to 1.5 http://www.ecb.int/press/pr/date/2011/html/pr110707.en.html].
Greece to get 109 billion euro EZ loan[25] in addition to which the private sector is to make a contribution through an agreement to either swap or roll-over their debt
August 2011 After prolonged inter-party negotiations, the US Congress agrees to raise the Federal debt ceiling and reduce government spending[27] [28].
The Standard and Poor credit rating agency downgrades US bonds from AAA to AA+[29]
My Note: The Tea Party/GOP were responsible for this downgrade.
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January 2012: US stock market advances from FORBES:

Strong January, Strong 2012?
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The S&P 500 index posted a total return of 4.48% for the month of January.  This marked the best performance for the U.S. stock market in the month of January in more than a decade.

Spurt cant read facts and evidence with his head so far up his ass.

I don't have a mental disorder; it's just that you are brain dead, and don't comprehend what I have posted. All you know how to do is attack people, and not the subject under discussion. What you do is called "ad hominems."

Definition for ad hominem:
appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect. 2. : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions ...

I know this is too complex for you, but others might learn a thing about you, watersquirt.

That's because you don't understand how much damage GW Bush did to the world economy. Another one of your idiotic statements, coming from a brain-dead waterspurt.

From Marketwatch.

Well Jack--you couldn't expect the Christian project to go from the 40s to the 80s in one jump. Imagine the dislocations.

Modern science is a Christian invention. Like Champagne and the distilling of liquors. Who else has beer and lingerie?

spendi, For someone who seems to read much and use it in your posts, you are still one ignorant sob. Beer was invented over 8000 years ago - in Iraq, it seems. Long before christians came on the scene of mankind.

Read the book, The History of the World In Six Glasses. You'll learn something you can use on a2k.

Spendius, they brewed beer in Mesopotamia in 6000BC. Pharoahnic Egypt had lingerie. Pretty hard to attribute them to Christianity. The scientific revolution was not in any way attributable to Christianity either. Xianity was around for 1400 years or so before science took off, and that had far more to do with the spread of inquiry and classical knowledge which were part of the Renaissance than with the Church, which pretty much tried to quash it. Copernicus was afraid to publish during his lifetime because of church represssion, and Galileo was forbidden to disseminate his teachings. That systematization was the start of the scientific revolution. There had been jackleg engineering prior to that, but it wasn't systematic and it had no theoretical explanation behind it. The Church, in other words, had no part in the increase in longevity. It has been far more repressive of knowledge than progressive.

Spendius, there's a brewery in Rhode Island which specializes in reproducing ancient alcoholic beverages, based on archaeological analysis of traces of organic remains in ancient pottery. They recently recreated a Neolithic Chinese early beer from around 8000 BCE if I remember right. Perhaps you should get your pub to order some. That seems to be the only way you can absorb history.

That was probably one of the dumbest posts you've ever posted, Spendi, old bloke. It's already been pointed out that the ancient Babylonians, Egyptians and other assorted ancients had beer. As for modern science being a product of the Christian era, that's hilarious. The ancient Greeks knew waaaay more science (and maths as well) than the Christians of the Middle Ages. In a very real sense, people like Johannes Kepler, Galileo and Copernicus were doing no more than rediscovering information which people like Pythagoras and his disciples, Eratosthenes and many others had known quite well thousands of years prior to the so-called Scientific Revolution. A disciple of Pythagoras (his name escapes me at themoment, Ari-something) had come up with the heliocentric notion of the universe several hundred years ebfore the time of Jesus. He knew the earth revolved around the sun, not vice versa. Neither Copernicus nor Galileo discovered anything new there. The problem was that neither Plato nor Aristotle took any interest in astronomy, hence -- since they were revered by the elders of the early Christian church -- the Church took no notice of the research available. So you wound up with "scientists" like Plotinus and the whole school of neo-Platonists who kept insisting that things must be exactly as it says in the Bible.

And shouldn't we all recognise the importance of Islam in kickstarting the Renaissance, and the preservation of key texts in the library at Alexandria. The only nreason we know anything about Pythagoras is because of moslems.

True. Now if they would just come out of the middle ages and become slightly more modern.

I meant beer with a foamy top served cooled and the same every time by a plumpish barmaid of an essentially Christian disposition who is probably wearing a pair of lacy edged kecks and elasticated suspender belt straps attached to silk stockings about 12 inches above the knee by a shiny clasp with a decorative bow.

I didn't mean gnat's piss in an earthenware bowl and breech cloths that haven't been off for a month. I meant beer. Proper beer. John Smith's Extra Smooth (Silk in a Glass) type of thing.

As far as Christianity inventing the science of pure dynamic space you can forget anybody else having done. Or double entry book-keeping to which we all owe so much.

I thought the Russian and Chinese vetoes just now were entirely appropriate. Atheist regimes do not allow moral considerations to cause them to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries for obvious reasons. They have no morals at the official level.

Plato and Aristotle were keeping their noses clean. The infinite and the infinitesimal were taboo.

Of course Christianity invented double entry book keeping. Do one thing and put a different thing down in the book that gets them into heaven. God will never know.

Obama is now 50%; not good for the republicans.