spendius
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 12:57 pm
@izzythepush,
I think that "few" is a bit far-fetched izzy. Many millions of gasping and starving immigrants have found many benefits from the way of thinking George embraces and Mrs Palin is but one of the many manifestations, admittedly a colourful one, of that way of life and, indeed, from a sociological perspective, a very interesting one.

When it was felt that we needed a strict matron we elected Mrs Thatcher and it was a laugh a minute all through the disastrous years in which she held sway. Do you remember her advising us to stock our freezers up to beat inflation. She had an eight cubic metre one and a loaded sap in tow.

As elections are now not intended to decide anything, even decisive sounding legislation becomes meaningless when applied to the outer regions, it sort of fades out, they are part of the entertainment industry and you must admit that they are entertaining enough to engage your attention.
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okie
 
  0  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 04:12 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Spot on, Izzy. And okieMcdopey is so lost in the haze that he doesn't even realize that he's one of the one's dancing (in your astute analysis), and not one of the rich.
snood, I have seen many tea partiers in the local park and I don't see millionaires. I see patriotic Americans, many small business owners that are productive responsible Americans that are tired of a bloated government and want to elect like minded people into office again. They are tired of people like you that sit around blaming the so-called rich for your ills and wish you wouldforget your envy. You will never accomplish anything by taking the property from others. Describing Izzy's "analysis" as astute was frankly silly.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 04:18 pm
@okie,
Quote:

snood, I have seen many tea partiers in the local park and I don't see millionaires.


You still don't understand what they were saying. Which is really surprising, seeing as it was writ simply.

You're not a millionaire and nobody said you were. But you are their cat's-paw; one who does their bidding, apparently without even realizing it.

The idea that any of us are envious of them, or you... it strains credulity. Why would we be? There's nothing superior about your lives or theirs that would make one envious.

Cycloptichorn
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 04:47 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

izzythepush wrote:

The tea party is a joke, a supposed grass roots movement set up by a bunch of millionaires, pandering to the racism of a bunch of idiots, who dance to the rich mans tune and work against their own best interests. That's fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain.
You are a joke and frankly an embarrassment to this country and this forum. By the way, I am no rich man in terms of money.


You are insane, how am I an embarrassment to your country? Is it because I embarrass Americans like you, by showing you your foolishness? Just keep dancing.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 04:49 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Reading your reply, I noticed again your quote of Amigo. Wonder how he is.
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ossobuco
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 04:52 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Some of us who don't agree with you do know about Mussolini.
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 05:01 pm
@ossobuco,
What do you know about Mussolini osso? I know very little myself except that he was an asshole so I would be glad to be enlightened further as my opinion does seem a bit crude.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 08:27 pm
Quote:
Obama concedes that he has lost the narrative that brought him to the White House against all odds: his vision for making America great. Suskind’s book suggests he went astray in the sway of Wall Street pal Tim Geithner, going too easy on the gluttonous bankers, demanding no important concessions from them and throwing the equitable balance of society out of whack.

Now the president is trapped in two damaging story lines. Is he too weak and immature to do the job? Or is he too cool and distant to do the job?

The Aloof One has to convince voters that he can connect emotionally. In a way, his relationship with Americans now is analogous to a marriage that’s not working. He’s the detached husband; we’re the neglected wife.

Is he paying attention? Does he understand our needs? Or is he just pretending to listen while he watches SportsCenter?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/opinion/dowd-the-re-election-tango.html?hp

Dowd nails it AGAIN.
plainoldme
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 08:37 pm
@okie,
How do you know they're Tea Totalitarians? By their picket signs? Or by the fact that they were obviously delusional?
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 09:15 pm
Quote:
New cracks have begun to show in President Obama’s support amongst African Americans, who have been his strongest supporters. Five months ago, 83 percent of African Americans held “strongly favorable” views of Obama, but in a new Washington Post-ABC news poll that number has dropped to 58 percent. That drop is similar to slipping support for Obama among all groups.

“There is a certain amount of racial loyalty and party loyalty, but eventually that was going to have to weaken,” said Andra Gillespie, a political scientist at Emory University, who studies African Americans. “It’s understandable given the economy.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-ratings-among-blacks-falls/2011/09/21/gIQAqzJdlK_story.html?hpid=z2

The Great Recession has been a body blow to the blacks, who were already struggling. Obama is the nice boss who cant do their job, at some point the good feelings end, production matters more than atmospherics and biography.
okie
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 09:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
The Aloof One has to convince voters that he can connect emotionally. In a way, his relationship with Americans now is analogous to a marriage that’s not working. He’s the detached husband; we’re the neglected wife.

Is he paying attention? Does he understand our needs? Or is he just pretending to listen while he watches SportsCenter?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/opinion/dowd-the-re-election-tango.html?hp

Dowd nails it AGAIN.
[/quote]Hawkeye, we are one sick society if that is what it boils down to, but who would understand Obama koolaid drinkers better than Dowd?
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okie
 
  0  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 09:25 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

You are insane, how am I an embarrassment to your country?
Because you are so woefully ignorant of the foundational principles of it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 09:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
New cracks have begun to show in President Obama’s support amongst African Americans, who have been his strongest supporters. Five months ago, 83 percent of African Americans held “strongly favorable” views of Obama, but in a new Washington Post-ABC news poll that number has dropped to 58 percent. That drop is similar to slipping support for Obama among all groups.

“There is a certain amount of racial loyalty and party loyalty, but eventually that was going to have to weaken,” said Andra Gillespie, a political scientist at Emory University, who studies African Americans. “It’s understandable given the economy.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-ratings-among-blacks-falls/2011/09/21/gIQAqzJdlK_story.html?hpid=z2

The Great Recession has been a body blow to the blacks, who were already struggling. Obama is the nice boss who cant do their job, at some point the good feelings end, production matters more than atmospherics and biography.


Wow!

I expected some loss of support but going from 83% to 58% is startling.

"Starting to drop?" It's plummeted.

Has support for Obama risen in any voting demographic?

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 10:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
With this column, Maureen Dowd has done a great service to her country. She has given the green light to liberals to not only criticize Obama, but to mock him.

She can't resist providing him with the excuse of blaming someone else (Geithner), and she is holding open the hope that he is merely cool and distant rather than weak and immature, but, with time, and continued Obama incompetency, the poison in her pen will flow undiluted.

To paraphrase Kyle Reese in The Terminator, "It's what she does!"

She'll likely save her most pointed darts for Sarah Palin, Rick Perry and Mitt Romney (with a a couple of vintage versions saved for W and Darth Cheney), but they are simply not going to be generating the same body of material as the President of The United States.

He's lost David Brooks, and he's lost Maureen Dowd. When he loses E.J. Dionne, it's all over.

You know, I just may have to report Dowd to Attack Watch.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 21 Sep, 2011 10:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Hell has no fury like a disillusioned liberal....something Obama has yet to figure out. Besides that only a damn fool fills people with hope that can not be realized....another blind spot of Obama's big enough to drive a semi through.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 22 Sep, 2011 02:31 am
@okie,
I know enough matey boy, but I have to tell you. Outside the Goodoleyooessovay the Tea Party are a joke. You only take them seriously because your biased media tells you too.
spendius
 
  1  
Thu 22 Sep, 2011 03:41 am
@izzythepush,
Wait a minute izzy. I thought they were taken seriously because enough of them had been elected to stop wimpy Republicans engaging in a shifty compromise with the Democrats and producing what would have been, in effect, a one party state.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 22 Sep, 2011 05:59 am
@spendius,
They stopped being taken seriously when they put ideology before country. The effect of which reverberates around the world. The local Greggs has just run out of sausage rolls, you can't tell me that's not connected.
spendius
 
  1  
Thu 22 Sep, 2011 06:28 am
@izzythepush,
A country without an ideological consensus is not a country at all but simply an aggregate of living organisms.

The Tea Party commands a far more respectable proportion of voters than our Liberal Demotwats do and we have been forced to take the silly sods seriously. Hence, not taking the Tea Party seriously is anti-democracy.

You might do well to take issue with the Tea Party's ideology instead of blurting insults at it.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Thu 22 Sep, 2011 06:54 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I know enough matey boy, but I have to tell you. Outside the Goodoleyooessovay the Tea Party are a joke. You only take them seriously because your biased media tells you too.


Our biased media tells us pretty much what you are saying: They are ideologues who put politics over country. I know you can get the NY Times over there, but do you watch much US network news?

Based on the 2010 US election results; to insist the Tea Party is a joke is pretty indicative of a very strong bias.

Unless it's the sour-grapes talking, I don't think Russ Feingold, Mike Castle, Charlie Crist, Rick Lazio, Bob Bennett, Alexi Giannoulias, Jack Conway, Vince Sheheen, and Blanche Lincoln, among others, think the Tea Party is a joke.

It's interesting that you feel you have your finger right on the pulse of worldwide public opinion, outside the USofA, but even if you are 100% correct, why should American voters care whether or not non-Americans consider the Tea Party a joke?

If only The Guardian was mandatory reading for all Americans, they might finally wake up and get the joke! Lord knows that while they tried their best, the NY Times couldn't convince all of the rubes of their folly.

 

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