okie
 
  1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 09:21 pm
@Josef cv,
I wasn't talking about you. I never thought you were H2Oman.
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okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 04:30 pm
I notice more stimulus supported companies are going belly up. When will we find out how many of them received money because of connections and friendships with Obama and members of his administration? Probably never would be my guess. No wonder people are fed up with government!
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 04:33 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

I notice more stimulus supported companies are going belly up. When will we find out how many of them received money because of connections and friendships with Obama and members of his administration? Probably never would be my guess. No wonder people are fed up with government!


Which companies?

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 04:45 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Do you keep up with news? I suggest you check Fox, listen to Rush, Hannity, and folks like Beck to help you be moreinformed. There will likely be more on this as it develops.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 04:47 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Do you keep up with news? I suggest you check Fox, listen to Rush, Hannity, and folks like Beck to help you be moreinformed. There will likely be more on this as it develops.


Oh, I assure you, I keep up with the news to a degree which you probably can't even imagine. I merely assume that you do not, and your inability to actually NAME any one of the companies you are referring to is proof enough of that.

Just like your inability to name any new ideas Republicans have had in the last few decades, because you were 'too busy.' Right. Nobody is fooled by this stuff, Okie.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 04:57 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
This is not hard to find, cyclops. Monitoring of your posts does not impress ME wIth your awareness of what is really going on.

"Solyndra Not Sole Firm to Hit Rock Bottom Despite Stimulus Funding"http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/15/despite-stimulus-funding-solyndra-and-4-other-companies-have-hit-rock-bottom/

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/15/despite-stimulus-funding-solyndra-and-4-other-companies-have-hit-rock-bottom/#ixzz1Y43nOUIf
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okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Just like your inability to name any new ideas Republicans have had in the last few decades, because you were 'too busy.' Right. Nobody is fooled by this stuff, Okie.

Cycloptichorn
I named you one,but you ignored it, which is not unusual.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:04 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Oh, I assure you, I keep up with the news to a degree which you probably can't even imagine. I merely assume that you do not, and your inability to actually NAME any one of the companies you are referring to is proof enough of that.

Just like your inability to name any new ideas Republicans have had in the last few decades, because you were 'too busy.' Right. Nobody is fooled by this stuff, Okie.

Cycloptichorn


Your steady stream of empty assertions and boastful hypocrisy is wearing a bit thin. Apparently none of us can fully imagine your extensive study, wisdom and achievement, or fully appreciate the wonders of your accumulated wisdom.

These are the boasts of a fool, and you are increasingly looking like one.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:07 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Just like your inability to name any new ideas Republicans have had in the last few decades, because you were 'too busy.' Right. Nobody is fooled by this stuff, Okie.

Cycloptichorn
I named you one,but you ignored it, which is not unusual.


The Fair Tax, which you named, is designed to cut taxes for people such as yourself. It's revenue-neutral, but only because it screws over lower-income tax payers. It counts as a tax cut, not a 'new idea.' Just more of the same BS from your side.

I specifically challenge you to name a single company you were talking about. Go right ahead.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:08 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Oh, I assure you, I keep up with the news to a degree which you probably can't even imagine. I merely assume that you do not, and your inability to actually NAME any one of the companies you are referring to is proof enough of that.

Just like your inability to name any new ideas Republicans have had in the last few decades, because you were 'too busy.' Right. Nobody is fooled by this stuff, Okie.

Cycloptichorn


Your steady stream of empty assertions and boastful hypocrisy is wearing a bit thin. Apparently none of us can fully imagine your extensive study, wisdom and achievement, or fully appreciate the wonders of your accumulated wisdom.

These are the boasts of a fool, and you are increasingly looking like one.


While you are free to believe whatever you want about me, I'm afraid that you may want to examine the rather gigantic beam sticking out of your eye, George. YOU accusing anyone else of 'empty assertions' is the joke of the year.

You've never provided proof for a single thing you've written here. And you respond with disdain to all requests for it, while conveniently discounting all proof provided that hurts your case. These are not the signs of someone who actually cares about accuracy or truth in these discussions.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:15 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Considering your` `posts, your demand for proof by others is pretty lughable, cyclops. Besides, some things are intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that has any common sense.
okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:21 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
The Fair Tax, which you named, is designed to cut taxes for people such as yourself. It's revenue-neutral, but only because it screws over lower-income tax payers. It counts as a tax cut, not a 'new idea.' Just more of the same BS from your side.Cycloptichorn
All debatable of course, and you refuse to consider all of the positive effects that it offers, which is not surprising from your closed liberal mindset.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:23 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Considering your` `posts, your demand for proof by others is pretty lughable, cyclops. Besides, some things are intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that has any common sense.


It's 'intuitively obvious' that "more stimulus supported companies are going belly up?" That doesn't even make sense.

Solyndra, the company you named, applied for loans under a Bush-era DOE program - the Energy Policy Act of 2005. They attempted for years to get fudning, and were put forward by Bush-era officials the entire time.

Try educating yourself on any topic at all before posting, for god's sake...

http://www.grist.org/solar-power/2011-09-13-bush-admin-pushed-solyndra-loan-guarantee-for-two-years

You also stated that 'more and more' companies that were supported by the ARRA are failing. What are the other ones? Or are you just sorta exaggerating for effect?

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:23 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
The Fair Tax, which you named, is designed to cut taxes for people such as yourself. It's revenue-neutral, but only because it screws over lower-income tax payers. It counts as a tax cut, not a 'new idea.' Just more of the same BS from your side.Cycloptichorn
All debatable of course, and you refuse to consider all of the positive effects that it offers, which is not surprising from your closed liberal mindset.


If you didn't believe it would lower your taxes, Okie, you'd never support it.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 07:39 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
If you didn't believe it would lower your taxes, Okie, you'd never support it.

Cycloptichorn
iT might not lower my taxes overall, I am not sure. If I chose to purchase a new automobile or any number of other expensive consumer products in one year , it could cost me very dearly that year.It would however place more economic freedom into my hands.

I beg your pardon but I do not oppose or favor policies based upon my own selfish aims. I favor or oppose based upon what is rght, beneficial, and what I think is constitutional for The country. For example, if a rich man earned his money, I do not favor taking alot more of his money to pay for a government program that benefits me more than him.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 08:12 pm
@okie,
Quote:
For example, if a rich man earned his money, I do not favor taking alot more of his money to pay for a government program that benefits me more than him.
To the point that I have never once heard you show any interest in Galbraith's "public squalor", which should now be expanded to include the hoards of American throw-away's, those who are born with three strikes against them..

Quote:
Q: Another observation you're famous for is juxtaposing "public squalor" with "private affluence."

Galbraith: There's no question that in my lifetime, the contrast between what I called private affluence and public squalor has become very much greater. What do we worry about? We worry about our schools. We worry about our public recreational facilities. We worry about our law enforcement and our public housing. All of the things that bear upon our standard of living are in the public sector. We don't worry about the supply of automobiles. We don't even worry about the supply of foods. Things that come from the private sector are in abundant supply; things that depend on the public sector are widely a problem. We're a world, as I said in The Affluent Society, of filthy streets and clean houses, poor schools and expensive television. I consider that contrast to be one of my most successful arguments.

http://www.progressive.org/mag_amitpalgalbraith

The left does not care either past pointing at what to them are the poor unfortunate victims to sell their ideology, but at least with the Left the throw-aways get a mention.....
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 09:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
Pretty interesting news on Medicare.

Quote:
WASHINGTON – Medicare Advantage premiums fell while enrollment rose this year, despite predictions from opponents of the new federal health care law that it would drive down enrollment and force up premiums.


By Jacquelyn Martin, AP
Kathleen Sebelius said, "Medicare is stronger than ever."


Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) officials said Thursday that enrollment will rise another 10% in 2012 and that premiums will fall 4%. Extra benefits in some Medicare Advantage plans, such as for vision or hearing, also are expected to remain the same.
The new statistics disprove the doom-and-gloom predictions of last year and show that because of the new law, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said, "Medicare is stronger than ever."
"On average, Medicare Advantage premiums will go down next year and seniors will enjoy more free benefits and cheaper prescription drugs," she said.[\quote]
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 09:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Medicare Advantage premiums fell while enrollment rose this year, despite predictions from opponents of the new federal health care law that it would drive down enrollment and force up premiums.
Were enrollments supposed to go down and premiums supposed to go up THIS YEAR according to the critics?? I dont know this. Obamacare is being rolled out over several years, I am not sure how we can make any claims at this point that Obamacare offers something of value, though clearly Team Obama was today trying to do just that with their "told ya so" style announcement.

I dont trust Obama and his spin machine....I need more information.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2011 10:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
I agree; facts will be revealed fast enough - I'm sure. All those republicans will not sit still about this news, and investigate - like yesterday.
okie
 
  0  
Fri 16 Sep, 2011 07:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Humor for you this evening, ci. Did you hear Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter could merge? New website could be called youtwitface,com. You would surelyplan to join, wouldn't you, ci?
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