revelette
 
  1  
Tue 13 Sep, 2011 10:31 am
Right now RCP has Perry as the front runner for the GOP by 12.0 points, as of right now, Obama beats Perry by 2.5 points. However, Romney beats Obama by 0.6 points.
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While the Presidents speech and his jobs program did not inspire great leaps of hope of the jobs situation changing dramatically, it has been received with more approval than the GOP ideas and the presidential candidates ideas too.

With Doubts, Voters Prefer Obama Jobs Plan

Quote:

Despite deepening doubts about President Obama’s economic agenda, Americans generally prefer the proposals he offered last week for reviving the economy to the competing ideas advanced by congressional Republicans and the GOP’s 2012 presidential field, a United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll has found.

The poll suggests Americans remain unconvinced that either party’s agenda can significantly dent the nation’s longest period of sustained unemployment since the Depression. The share of Americans who said that Obama’s policies have compounded economic difficulties was nearly double the portion who said he has improved conditions. And just one-in-six said they expected the jobs plan he sent to Congress will significantly reduce unemployment.

Yet, nearly half of those surveyed thought his plan would help somewhat, and the president still held a 37 percent to 35 percent advantage over congressional Republicans when respondents were asked whom they trusted more to revive the economy.

The Congressional Connection Poll, conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, interviewed 1,010 adults by landline and cell phone Sept. 8-11 for most of the questions in the survey; those questions have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percentage points. Interviews about Obama’s new jobs plan, which he announced on the evening of Sept. 8, were conducted with 783 adults Sept. 9-11; those questions have a margin of error of 4.1 percentage points.


(clearly not a biased article or poll in favor of Obama)
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 13 Sep, 2011 10:37 am
@revelette,
The math isn't sufficient to impact our GDP with $447 billion plan with most of it going for tax breaks.

Besides that, the GOP is not going to approve any tax increases to pay for the plan.




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roger
 
  2  
Tue 13 Sep, 2011 01:57 pm
@okie,
I didn't read back to see exactly what is being referred to here, but I know someone exactly as waterman presents himself. Well, almost exactly. Too dumb for anyone to let him work on an expensive water softener.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Tue 13 Sep, 2011 10:49 pm
The Republican candidate won former Rep. Weiner's seat in the special election in New York -in a district that has elected only democrats for several decades.

Yet another ominous sign for the fate of an Administration in accelerating decline.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 13 Sep, 2011 10:54 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

The Republican candidate won former Rep. Weiner's seat in the special election in New York -in a district that has elected only democrats for several decades.

Yet another ominous sign for the fate of an Administration in accelerating decline.
I don't think it is about Obama exactly.....it is that the Dems are out of ideas, are poorly led, and have no inclination to do anything about it...they keep on expecting the American people to flock to them even though they have done nothing to deserve followers.
okie
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 12:35 am
@hawkeye10,
The crowning blow to the Democrats would be if black voters would begin to flee their plantation in great numbers. Hispanic voters too.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 12:55 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

The crowning blow to the Democrats would be if black voters would begin to flee their plantation in great numbers. Hispanic voters too.
Black culture is such an incredible mess because they are not capable of keeping their eye on the ball and doing what is required, DEMS have no concerns with them getting uppity. Hispanics are another story though, and I note with interest that Perry acts like he thinks that he can get the Hispanic vote

Quote:
Republicans have forfeited Latino votes not by promoting border security and opposing pathways to citizenship, but by alienating Latinos with their rhetoric on those issues, Lopez told me after Election Day 2010, which saw Republican Senate candidate Sharron Angle defeated in Nevada after demonizing illegal immigrants with almost unprecedented fervor. As Republicans pursue the support of immigration hardliners, the Democratic Party's gross Latino advantage has been collateral damage. Perry's DREAM Act explanation was encouraging in that regard, Lopez said.

"I think that's definitely a positive point. Unfortunately a lot of Republicans have failed to learn that lesson of separating the policy view from some of the harsh rhetoric, and then from lumping everyone in together and failing to understand what the root cause of the [illegal immigration] problem is," Lopez said.

Perry seems unwilling to make that rhetorical trade-off. As the governor of Texas, he has represented more Hispanic constituents than any other candidate in the 2012 race. Hispanics now make of 37.6 percent of Texas's population, according to the 2010 Census, and, as Erica Grieder wrote last month on this site, Perry owes some thanks to immigrants for Texas's economic health -- thanks he offers publicly. And as he calmly offered welcoming phrases to a growing minority population, the Texas governor appeared more viable for the general election than the candidates who attacked him.

If Latinos, like other Americans, have lost confidence in Obama because of America's sagging economy, then they may look for new leadership in 2012, regardless of whether the president failed to enact comprehensive immigration reform, or whether the Texas DREAM Act included a pathway to citizenship. In a close race against Obama, an improved showing among Latinos could deliver the White House to the Republican.

The votes could be out there, and, if they are, Republicans will need someone ready to collect them. Perry might just be their man


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/09/perry-and-the-hispanic-vote-why-he-might-be-the-gops-best-shot-in-2012/245042/
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 01:06 am
@hawkeye10,
BTW OKIE....did you note that ED Koch supported the GOP candidate for Wiener's seat because he is fed up with Obama and the DEMS "throwing Israel under the bus"??? The DEMS better hope that **** does not spread, they can't afford to lose the Jews on top of all of their other problems.....I am going to see if if can find out how the Jews voted yesterday, see if they followed Koch, but considering that the seat was considered solidly DEM and the GOP won it by a mile I bet they did.

Quote:
Costas Panagopoulos, a political science professor at Fordham University, said Turner's people have identified Israel as a "winnable" issue.
"The campaigns have paid close attention to the demographics in this district," he said.
The district is one of the most heavily Jewish in the state, comprising Orthodox and more liberal Jewish neighborhoods. It is also one of the most reliably Democratic, having elected only Democrats to the House since the 1920s. The district voted for Al Gore in the 2000 presidential race by more than a two-to-one margin. In the latest Siena College Research Institute poll, Weprin leads Turner among Jewish voters by just 6 points, 51-45.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/09/race-for-weiners-old-seat-could-turn-on-jewish-votes-for-catholic-republican/#ixzz1XuOUYxhR
okie
 
  0  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 01:37 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

BTW OKIE....did you note that ED Koch supported the GOP candidate for Wiener's seat because he is fed up with Obama and the DEMS "throwing Israel under the bus"?
No, but no surprise. It has been a surprise to me that any Democrat would get any Jewish votes in recent elections.

Hispanic voters have proven they can lean more conservative, both Texas and New Mexico I think have shown it. I am hopeful that black leadership could emerge to help shift black voters to the Reoublican side. That is one of the reasons I like Herman Cain. If he is not the Repub candidate, he should be strongly coNsidered for vp. After all, history shows the Republican Party was ttheir party before LBJ figured out the Dems could use them and abuse them by throwing them the proverbial bone. The liberal press is still one of theRePUB's BIGGEST opponents in any election.
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hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 02:02 am
@okie,
OKIE: I assuming that you read this, but if not it is right up your alley

Quote:
The Democratic Party’s strategy of using handouts to garner the black votes while working to keep blacks mired in poverty was described as “plantation politics” by President Obama in his book “Dreams From My Father.” As a result of the politics of poverty practiced by Democrats, including Obama, the black community firmly believes the government must “do something” for blacks.

Democrats have been running black communities for the past 40-plus years and have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands with their failed socialist policies. Yet, the Left has the gall to blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions they themselves have caused while they also accuse Republicans of doing nothing to help poor blacks – a charge that resonates with victim mongers.
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http://www.libertyinkjournal.com/1562-can-republicans-win-back-the-black-vote
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 04:06 am
@hawkeye10,
The problem the left has with raising the standards in poor areas is that such areas start voting conservative.
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H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 05:05 am

Obama's pure class warfare campaign
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 07:04 am


Emails Show White House Pressure Ahead of Solar Company Loan Approval

revelette
 
  2  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 09:15 am
@georgeob1,
Yeah, it is a blow. I doubt it translates into Romney or Perry Presidency. The problem the GOP has is that they are good at saying no or offering empty slogans but they offer no alternatives. So far in the polls which are running very close, Obama is still ahead and I bet he will be on election night.
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okie
 
  0  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 09:26 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

OKIE: I assuming that you read this, but if not it is right up your alley

Quote:
The Democratic Party’s strategy of using handouts to garner the black votes while working to keep blacks mired in poverty was described as “plantation politics” by President Obama in his book “Dreams From My Father.” As a result of the politics of poverty practiced by Democrats, including Obama, the black community firmly believes the government must “do something” for blacks.
I did not realize even Obama recognized it in one of his books. Thanks, hawkeye.
revelette
 
  1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 09:31 am
@okie,
I don't see the point of the article since the Jobs program has nothing to do with handouts nor does reforming the tax code (loopholes, tax havens...) to bring more fairness to middle class Americans.

(thought of something else on edit)

Giving tax breaks to companies who hire employees and giving tax breaks to companies who keep their companies in America is hardly a handout to the poor, but rather giving them gainful employment which would seem to go right along with what he said in the excerpt you posted.
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 09:43 am
@H2O MAN,
okie
 
  1  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 09:56 am
@H2O MAN,
Doesn't this come under the heading "what did Obama know and when did he know it?" If he or any of his friends profited personally, he should be held accountable.
H2O MAN
 
  -4  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 10:08 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Doesn't this come under the heading "what did Obama know and when did he know it?"
If he or any of his friends profited personally, he should be held accountable.


You are correct sir!
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Josef cv
 
  -4  
Wed 14 Sep, 2011 01:49 pm
@okie,
If you mean me, I am neither Waterman nor a shock jock.
 

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