I watched the speech live in horrified fascination.
If things are so simple it's a wonder how we got into this mess in the first place.
I would have felt insulted.
You cant fairly fully knock Obama for that,,,for well over a generation the American people have demanded
1) simple plans
2) the government will always say yes to our wish list
3) We will not be told that we need to pay for what government delivers.
Obama executed, however post great recession as we watch our super power status vanish with incredible speed the American people may be more mature than we have been in while.
The government will always say yes to your wish list because it won't be the government if it doesn't. And its members want more than anything else in the world to govern.
It is the fatal flaw in democracy.
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H2O MAN
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 05:24 am
Packers stand up Saints for season-opening win
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Aaron Rodgers came out on top in a memorable opening-night duel with Drew Brees, and the defending Super Bowl champion Packers came up with a goal-line stand on the final play of the game to beat the New Orleans Saints 42-34 on Thursday night.
Packers rookie Randall Cobb caught a touchdown from Rodgers and also ran a kickoff back 108 yards for a score in the third quarter, tying an NFL record for the longest kickoff return in history.
Rodgers threw for 312 yards and three touchdowns. Brees threw for 419 yards and three touchdowns, including a late toss to Jimmy Graham that cut Green Bay's lead to eight with 2:15 left.
Brees marched the Saints down to the 1-yard line with three seconds left. But the Packers swarmed rookie running back Mark Ingram up the middle, and the game was over.
Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press
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revelette
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 06:43 am
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This approach is basically the one I've been advocating for months. In addition to the trillion dollars of spending cuts I've already signed into law, it's a balanced plan that would reduce the deficit by making additional spending cuts; by making modest adjustments to health care programs like Medicare and Medicaid; and by reforming our tax code in a way that asks the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations to pay their fair share. What's more, the spending cuts wouldn't happen so abruptly that they'd be a drag on our economy, or prevent us from helping small business and middle-class families get back on their feet right away.
Now, I realize there are some in my party who don't think we should make any changes at all to Medicare and Medicaid, and I understand their concerns. But here's the truth. Millions of Americans rely on Medicare in their retirement. And millions more will do so in the future. They pay for this benefit during their working years. They earn it. But with an aging population and rising health care costs, we are spending too fast to sustain the program. And if we don't gradually reform the system while protecting current beneficiaries, it won't be there when future retirees need it. We have to reform Medicare to strengthen it.
I'm also well aware that there are many Republicans who don't believe we should raise taxes on those who are most fortunate and can best afford it. But here is what every American knows. While most people in this country struggle to make ends meet, a few of the most affluent citizens and corporations enjoy tax breaks and loopholes that nobody else gets. Right now, Warren Buffet pays a lower tax rate than his secretary - an outrage he has asked us to fix. We need a tax code where everyone gets a fair shake, and everybody pays their fair share. And I believe the vast majority of wealthy Americans and CEOs are willing to do just that, if it helps the economy grow and gets our fiscal house in order.
I'll also offer ideas to reform a corporate tax code that stands as a monument to special interest influence in Washington. By eliminating pages of loopholes and deductions, we can lower one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Our tax code shouldn't give an advantage to companies that can afford the best-connected lobbyists. It should give an advantage to companies that invest and create jobs here in America.
So we can reduce this deficit, pay down our debt, and pay for this jobs plan in the process. But in order to do this, we have to decide what our priorities are. We have to ask ourselves, "What's the best way to grow the economy and create jobs?"
Should we keep tax loopholes for oil companies? Or should we use that money to give small business owners a tax credit when they hire new workers? Because we can't afford to do both. Should we keep tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires? Or should we put teachers back to work so our kids can graduate ready for college and good jobs? Right now, we can't afford to do both.
This isn't political grandstanding. This isn't class warfare. This is simple math. These are real choices that we have to make. And I'm pretty sure I know what most Americans would choose. It's not even close. And it's time for us to do what's right for our future.
The American Jobs Act answers the urgent need to create jobs right away. But we can't stop there. As I've argued since I ran for this office, we have to look beyond the immediate crisis and start building an economy that lasts into the future - an economy that creates good, middle-class jobs that pay well and offer security. We now live in a world where technology has made it possible for companies to take their business anywhere. If we want them to start here and stay here and hire here, we have to be able to out-build, out-educate, and out-innovate every other country on Earth.
This task, of making America more competitive for the long haul, is a job for all of us. For government and for private companies. For states and for local communities — and for every American citizen. All of us will have to up our game. All of us will have to change the way we do business.
My administration can and will take some steps to improve our competitiveness on our own. For example, if you're a small business owner who has a contract with the federal government, we're going to make sure you get paid a lot faster than you do now. We're also planning to cut away the red tape that prevents too many rapidly-growing startup companies from raising capital and going public. And to help responsible homeowners, we're going to work with Federal housing agencies to help more people refinance their mortgages at interest rates that are now near 4 percent — a step that can put more than $2,000 a year in a family's pocket, and give a lift to an economy still burdened by the drop in housing prices.
Other steps will require congressional action. Today you passed reform that will speed up the outdated patent process, so that entrepreneurs can turn a new idea into a new business as quickly as possible. That's the kind of action we need. Now it's time to clear the way for a series of trade agreements that would make it easier for American companies to sell their products in Panama, Colombia, and South Korea — while also helping the workers whose jobs have been affected by global competition. If Americans can buy Kias and Hyundais, I want to see folks in South Korea driving Fords and Chevys and Chryslers. I want to see more products sold around the world stamped with three proud words: "Made in America."
And on all of our efforts to strengthen competitiveness, we need to look for ways to work side-by-side with America's businesses. That's why I've brought together a Jobs Council of leaders from different industries who are developing a wide range of new ideas to help companies grow and create jobs.
Already, we've mobilized business leaders to train 10,000 American engineers a year, by providing company internships and training. Other businesses are covering tuition for workers who learn new skills at community colleges. And we're going to make sure the next generation of manufacturing takes root, not in China or Europe, but right here, in the United States of America. If we provide the right incentives and support — and if we make sure our trading partners play by the rules — we can be the ones to build everything from fuel-efficient cars to advanced biofuels to semiconductors that are sold all over the world. That's how America can be number one again. That's how America will be number one again.
Now, I realize that some of you have a different theory on how to grow the economy. Some of you sincerely believe that the only solution to our economic challenges is to simply cut most government spending and eliminate most government regulations.
Well, I agree that we can't afford wasteful spending, and I will continue to work with Congress to get rid of it. And I agree that there are some rules and regulations that put an unnecessary burden on businesses at a time when they can least afford it. That's why I ordered a review of all government regulations. So far, we've identified over 500 reforms, which will save billions of dollars over the next few years. We should have no more regulation than the health, safety, and security of the American people require. Every rule should meet that common sense test.
But what we can't do — what I won't do — is let this economic crisis be used as an excuse to wipe out the basic protections that Americans have counted on for decades. I reject the idea that we need to ask people to choose between their jobs and their safety. I reject the argument that says for the economy to grow, we have to roll back protections that ban hidden fees by credit card companies, or rules that keep our kids from being exposed to mercury, or laws that prevent the health insurance industry from shortchanging patients. I reject the idea that we have to strip away collective bargaining rights to compete in a global economy. We shouldn't be in a race to the bottom, where we try to offer the cheapest labor and the worst pollution standards. America should be in a race to the top. And I believe that's a race we can win.
In fact, this larger notion that the only thing we can do to restore prosperity is just dismantle government, refund everyone's money, let everyone write their own rules, and tell everyone they're on their own — that's not who we are. That's not the story of America.
Yes, we are rugged individualists. Yes, we are strong and self-reliant. And it has been the drive and initiative of our workers and entrepreneurs that has made this economy the engine and envy of the world.
But there has always been another thread running throughout our history — a belief that we are all connected; and that there are some things we can only do together, as a nation.
We all remember Abraham Lincoln as the leader who saved our Union. But in the middle of a Civil War, he was also a leader who looked to the future — a Republican president who mobilized government to build the transcontinental railroad; launch the National Academy of Sciences; and set up the first land grant colleges. And leaders of both parties have followed the example he set.
Ask yourselves — where would we be right now if the people who sat here before us decided not to build our highways and our bridges; our dams and our airports? What would this country be like if we had chosen not to spend money on public high schools, or research universities, or community colleges? Millions of returning heroes, including my grandfather, had the opportunity to go to school because of the GI Bill. Where would we be if they hadn't had that chance?
How many jobs would it have cost us if past Congresses decided not to support the basic research that led to the Internet and the computer chip? What kind of country would this be if this Chamber had voted down Social Security or Medicare just because it violated some rigid idea about what government could or could not do? How many Americans would have suffered as a result?
No single individual built America on their own. We built it together. We have been, and always will be, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all; a nation with responsibilities to ourselves and with responsibilities to one another. Members of Congress, it is time for us to meet our responsibilities.
Every proposal I've laid out tonight is the kind that's been supported by Democrats and Republicans in the past. Every proposal I've laid out tonight will be paid for. And every proposal is designed to meet the urgent needs of our people and our communities.
I know there's been a lot of skepticism about whether the politics of the moment will allow us to pass this jobs plan — or any jobs plan. Already, we're seeing the same old press releases and tweets flying back and forth. Already, the media has proclaimed that it's impossible to bridge our differences. And maybe some of you have decided that those differences are so great that we can only resolve them at the ballot box.
But know this: the next election is fourteen months away. And the people who sent us here — the people who hired us to work for them — they don't have the luxury of waiting fourteen months. Some of them are living week to week; paycheck to paycheck; even day to day. They need help, and they need it now. I don't pretend that this plan will solve all our problems. It shouldn't be, nor will it be, the last plan of action we propose. What's guided us from the start of this crisis hasn't been the search for a silver bullet. It's been a commitment to stay at it — to be persistent — to keep trying every new idea that works, and listen to every good proposal, no matter which party comes up with it.
Reforming the tax code, reform medicare and medicaid and some spending cuts would basically pay for the payroll cut tax benefit and the tax cut benefit for business who hire new employees. Other ideas are things which have been advocated by republicans too and mostly and are pretty mainstream.
I understand though that is important to keep up the partisan divide and the criticism at the expense of Americans who have been struggling economically all this time. Obama said he was willing to listen to ideas, he has shown time and time again he is willing to listen to ideas no matter where they come from. But the republicans in congress are too interested in maintaining their strategy of making American fail in order to retake the White House and the Senate. They have openly said that is what they are going to do, they set about doing and they have done it. Hope they are proud of themselves.
Btw, the stimulus did work, it kept the economy from going off a cliff. More was needed but then 2010 came....
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H2O MAN
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 07:29 am
In case you didn’t get the memo, Dear Ruler wants his American Jobs Act passed “right away.” He told us that at least eight times: Yup … he was pretty certain about at least that much. We need to pass this plan and we need to do it right-by-God-now.
Why the urgency? Because when Congress fails to pass it right away, Obama can throw up his hands and say, “Hey, I told them we needed to pass it right away. Congress didn’t. The Republicans blocked it. The congress is broken. Republican obstructionism and partisanship is destroying our economy. It’s not my fault. Our economy would have recovered by now if they had only listened to me.” And then you will hear that line from now until November 2012.
So … what did we hear in Ruler Obama’s speech? I worked to try to distil it into basic points.
Spend about a half-trillion dollars we don’t have.
Insure that as much of the new spending is spent by the government sector as possible. Governments spending on roads, bridges and schools. Keep as much of the spending out of the private sector as we can.
Make sure that to the greatest extent possible the beneficiaries of the spending are union workers --- teachers, construction workers and the like.
Tell the dumb masses once again that the evil rich and the nasty corporations are not paying “their fair share” of taxes.
Get the phrase “millionaires and billionaires” in there at least once to generate a little more class envy.
Call for the increased spending, but pass the buck on how to come up with the money to the super committee of 12 Senators and Congressmen, that way Dear Ruler doesn’t have to take the heat for the tax increase proposals or spending cuts in next year’s election.
There are parts of Obama’s plan that have merit. Yes, I am about to say something positive about Dear Ruler. Prepare yourselves.
Obama called for Medicare reform. Good for him. He recognizes that it will be obsolete by the time our children go to collect it, because it is unsustainable at this rate.
He also seems dedicated to the cause of decreasing burdensome government regulations. While I can’t trust that he will actually follow through on this, his move last week with the EPA smog regulations was a glimmer of hope.
Obama wants all businesses to be able to continue writing off investments they make in 2012.
Passing free trade agreements, that Obama hasn’t bothered to send to Congress. Let’s remember, though, that these trade agreements don’t go to the Senate for action until Obama gets some favors for unions … costly favors.
Now there is another idea in Obama’s speech that I agree with, though I did not appreciate the way he presented it. Unlike some Republicans, I support extending the payroll tax cut for employees and cutting payroll taxes in half for small business owners. However, I called this one many weeks ago. The current payroll tax rates are a temporary extension of a tax cut passed sometime last year. Now, all of the sudden, Obama says that not extending these tax cuts is considered an increase in taxes on the middle class. Here’s what Obama had to say …
If we allow that tax cut to expire – if we refuse to act – middle-class families will get hit with a tax increase at the worst possible time. We cannot let that happen. I know some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for as long as you live. Now is not the time to carve out an exception and raise middle-class taxes, which is why you should pass this bill right away.
Meanwhile, the Democrats are calling on the Bush tax cuts to expire for the evil rich. But they refuse to call this a tax increase on the evil rich. Instead they insist that they are “letting the Bush tax cuts expire.” See how convenient that argument is for the libs and progs?
He also wants tax credits for employers who hire veterans or the long-term unemployed. Fine. But do any of these plans actually foster any long-term certainty for employers? Can employers build business plans based on these ideas? The answer is no. And Obama didn’t address perhaps the biggest elephant in the room when it comes to business cost uncertainty: ObamaCare. Not one word about how that is affecting employers and their willingness to invest in new workers. None of these ideas is about growing our economic pie .. it is all about small-nose “sugar” incentives.
So let’s move on to some of the ideas that aren’t sending tingles up my legs.
Building a world-class transportation system (aka. high-speed rail)
An independent fund to attract private dollars and issue loans (aka. an infrastructure bank)
Paying government school teachers to go back to work (teachers unions)
More spending on infrastructure: schools, bridges, highways (Stimulus II)
Again with reforming patent process!
But perhaps the most heinous part of Obama’s speech was his insistence on …
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Cycloptichorn
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 08:50 am
Now that we've heard from the peanut gallery, let's see what other thought of the speech:
RESEARCH MEMO: Dial Test of the President's Speech
FROM: Geoff Garin, Hart Research Associates
DATE: September 9, 2011
RE: Dial Test of the President’s Speech
Last night I convened a group of 32 swing voters in suburban Richmond (Eric Cantor’s district) to watch President Obama’s speech to Congress. We measured respondents’ reactions to the speech using interactive dials. In addition to gauging respondents’ moment-to-moment impressions during the speech, we measured the impact of the speech by comparing ratings of President Obama on key attributes before and after his address to Congress.
Simply put, the speech was a home run, and succeeded on several important levels.
Substantively, these swing voters liked the President’s proposals. They came to the speech with deep concerns about the economic situation and came away from the speech persuaded and encouraged that Obama has good ideas for improving America’s economy.
The dial ratings stayed high throughout virtually all of the President’s proposals—with particularly strong responses to his proposals to invest in America’s infrastructure, modernize America’s schools, continue the payroll tax break for middle-class Americans, provide new tax breaks for small businesses, and put teachers who have been laid off back to work.
The dials also reflect a very positive reaction to President Obama’s discussion of the budget and the fact that his jobs proposals would be paid for. Indeed, the section of the speech in which the President laid out the “simple arithmetic” of the choice between maintaining tax breaks and subsidies or spending on basic priorities scores particularly well. In the discussion afterward, respondents said they liked the simplicity, clarity, and realism of this section.
Prior to the speech, fewer than half of the respondents felt that Obama had the better approach to jobs than the Republicans in Congress. After the speech, close to three-quarters said they trust Obama more than the Republicans on the jobs issue.
The message from these voters to Eric Cantor and others in Congress is simple: Pass the President’s plan, and don’t play partisan politics with it.
The speech also gave respondents a much more positive view of Barack Obama as a presidential leader. In addition to producing much improved scores for having good ideas for improving the economy, the speech produced major jumps in the proportion of respondents describing Obama as “a strong leader” and as being “honest and realistic in addressing the country’s challenges.” The speech also produced large increases in the number of respondents who said Obama “cares about people like me” and “looks out for the needs of the middle class.”
In the discussion, there was frequent praise for Obama’s emphasis on picking ideas that have been supported in the past by both Democrats and Republicans. For these respondents, Obama managed to be both unifying and strong at the same time.
This session, which was conducted on behalf of Priorities USA Action, focused on the types of swing voters who Obama must win if he is to be reelected in 2012. Many respondents came into the room feeling discouraged, dispirited, and disappointed, but in last night’s speech they saw the Barack Obama they had hoped they were electing in 2008. Their simple message to President Obama is: Keep it up. They saw the speech as a beginning, and they want the President to continue pressing the case for the agenda he laid out before Congress. They do not want the President’s proposals to succumb to political games on Capitol Hill, and these voters were glad to hear the President say that he would take the case for his jobs legislation directly to the American people.
Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 10:06 am
Now that Cyclotroll (A2K's #1 peanut) has finally chimed in with the party line response we can return to reality.
Last night campaign speech was no home run, it wasn't even a base hit.
If Obama truly wanted to help businesses create jobs he would reduce taxes and regulations and make it stick for more than 5 years.
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cicerone imposter
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 10:21 am
@georgeob1,
why at $2 trillion? it;s because I'm looking at the minimum base from which our economy will benefit, and for the potential for enough tax revenue to make up this spending in a reasonable period of time.
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cicerone imposter
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 10:23 am
@georgeob1,
You ignore one very important point: Germany and Canada were not suffering from the Great Recession. This is a very different time and place in the world economies.
It turns out that Obama is one of those SOB's Hoffa was talking about.
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Finn dAbuzz
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 11:46 am
I don't know whether the admirers of Obama's speech last night truly believe that an additional unfunded stimulus is the solution, or that they are conditioned to believe whatever claptrap they hear that seems to be in step with the Progressive Tribe's rhetoric and agenda. Either possibility is frightening.
At one point in the speech I thought:
"Republicans should just give him everything he is asking for, and when the Jobs Program goes down in flames, maybe his followers will finally admit that his policies are disasterous."
Other than this being a deriliction of Republican lawmakers' duty, I realize that it would never work as a strategy because O's followers will never admit that these policies have failed.
Instead we will once again hear "It wasn't enough of a stimulus!" or "Too much of the stimulus involved tax cuts when what we need are tax hikes!"
We would also hear "Well, the Republicans went along with his porposals so they own the failure."
The speech and his proposal had nothing to do with actually fixing any problems, they were designed to present the Republicans with a political Catch-22 that wwill buy Obama time and enhance his chance for re-election.
It is highly unlikely these proposals will pass through congress in their entirety, and there's a good chance that Obama not only knows this but wants it.
If any aspect of the plan is rejected, Obama and his supporters will cry to the heavens that Lord knows he tried, but those damned Republicans wouldn't give his plan a chance...not because they believe it will make things worse, but because they want the economy to be in the tank so their guy can win in 2012. The Democrats are, of course, above partisan politics, but not those damned Tea Party sons of bitches!
If by some chance his plan is passed in it's entirety, he will get to further feed his base with federal dollars, actually create some jobs the number and permanence of which he will greatly exaggerate and not have to worry about the impact of paying for the plans until after the election.
If somehow the chickens come home to roost before the election, he can always say "Well the Republicans agreed to my plans, they own the economy too."
How will we come up with the nearly one half trillion dollars need to fund this plan? Even if we raised the tax rate on the rich to 90% it wouldn't pay for it, and it certainly wouldn't pay for it in time to allow it to even try and make a difference. Therefore there is only one way the plan can be funded...borrow a half a trillion dollars.
Last night Jay Carney made it clear that any tax increases would not go into effect for a year or two so as not to damage the recovery. By then the economy will be even deeper in the hole, but if the increases don't get passed, well that's too bad for the economy but the mission will have been accomplished and the Expected One will be in his second term.
The Market is dropping like a rock today, which is a good sign that it doesn't think much of Obama's plan, and the reality is that Obama's trickery can't fool the Market. If businesses understand, as they do, that this program is only setting the stage for increased taxes in the near future, they are not going to all run out and grow.
The tax credit for hiring workers is a joke.
Clearly it is not enough to offset the cost of a worker a company doesn't need so only idiots or employers planning on cutting the new hires as soon as they realize the tax benefit will go with it.
If your business actually needs additional employees, you are going to hire them with or without a tax credit.
So the only sane or honest employers who this part of the plan will attract are those who are very close to justifying additional hires; for whom the tax credit can make economic sense. How many such potential jobs can there be? Certainly not millions and I doubt it will be more than a few thousand.
Obama had to, in effect, admit that all the bull about "shovel ready" jobs was just that, but I guess he figures no one remembers that. "Infrastructure Investment" is "Stimulus Spending" no matter how you look at it. It didn't work before, but somehow it will now, and it's no coincidence that union members will benefit the most from any jobs the plan does create.
This mess will have to be resolved at the ballot box.
Therefore there is only one way the plan can be funded...borrow a half a trillion dollars.
Obama requested that it be paid for by finding additional cuts in the upcoming negotiations. If you had paid attention to what he actually said, you might realize this.
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Therefore there is only one way the plan can be funded...borrow a half a trillion dollars.
Yeah, good luck with that. You keep forgetting that Americans hate your party for the most part and disagree with almost everything you write here.
Yeah, good luck with that. You keep forgetting that Americans hate your party for the most part
Another Whopper from you Cyclo....the REPUBS have been doing just fine in the elections, the final say on who Americans like and dont like.
BS they have! Sure, they did pretty good in 2010. But let's look at the bigger picture: in 2006 and 2008 they got creamed on all levels. They have no strong candidate for prez in 2012 and are likely going to lose the presidential election as well. Over the last 6 years, their record is pretty crappy.
On top of that, the GOP is recording record high levels of disapproval and Obama is topping them in pretty much every category. Only one pollster (Rasmussen) has the Republicans leading in the generic Congressional ballot; which, given their obvious ideological bias, isn't surprising. Pretty much every other pollster shows the Dems leading that ballot. Nothing about that signals that the Republicans are representing what the people of America want in any way.
Nothing about that signals that the Republicans are representing what the people of America want in any way.
Americans have been ill served by both parties, and periodically punishes both parties at the ballot box. However, recent elections show that the REBUBS are doing very well for themselves, all the way from the Scott Brown special election to the recall votes in Wisconsin. And today we have this
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Anthony Weiner’s Twitter scandal may have done more than cost him his job. It also might cost Democrats his former seat.
A new poll out Friday shows that heading into next week’s special election, Republican Bob Turner holds a 50 percent to 44 percent lead over Democrat David Weprin, who had at one time been the strong favorite to fill Weiner’s now vacant seat.
Turner’s lead in the Siena Research Institute poll is that much more noteworthy because only four weeks ago he was trailing Weprin by 6 points, according to Siena College pollster Steven Greenberg.
hawk, You're wrong on this issue; congress has the lowest rating of any congress or administration in our history. That translates into losses in the next election IMHO.
Your claim that Americans like DEMS much more than REPUBS does not pass the laugh test.
Pretty much every poll out there shows that they do. The GOP is polling at it's lowest levels EVER POLLED. And it's why Obama still enjoys a decent approval rating after all this time.
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and it marks you as being delusional.
I shouldn't give you the misconception that I take your criticism of him or me too seriously. You just like to complain - constantly - and would be forwarding the same bitching no matter who is in office, in my opinion. It's substance-free and mostly idiotic parroting of what you read elsewhere, instead of actual analysis.
Cycloptichorn
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hawkeye10
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Fri 9 Sep, 2011 12:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
hawk, You're wrong on this issue; congress has the lowest rating of any congress or administration in our history. That translates into losses in the next election IMHO.
Based upon the institution not working, not because there are REPUBS there. If we were to take my advise as start tossing all the incumbents each election until we got a group who were willing to do their jobs then in this election the DEMS would do pretty well, but I doubt that we will.
hawk, You're wrong on this issue; congress has the lowest rating of any congress or administration in our history. That translates into losses in the next election IMHO.
Based upon the institution not working, not because there are REPUBS there.
You're simply incorrect. The Republicans in Congress are polling far lower than the Dems in Congress. Voters are accurately placing blame on the institution 'not working' on the party that is actively doing everything they can to KEEP it from working.
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If we were to take my advise as start tossing all the incumbents each election until we got a group who were willing to do their jobs then in this election the DEMS would do pretty well, but I doubt that we will.
That's because it's pretty stupid advice. There's no evidence that a new group would do any better than this current group. Look at the huge influx the Republicans had of so-called 'tea partiers'; a bunch of fools who know practically nothing about legislating or compromise at all.